Author Topic: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963  (Read 915 times)

Online Vincent Baxter

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2021, 09:58:46 PM »
So your latest theory is that I would automatically object against, say, the LN argument.

Something you can backup with evidence?

WHEN DID I SAY THAT????? (to borrow one of your most overused comebacks)

Christ! You really do take everything so literal, don't you. You must be an absolute hoot at parties.

Person: "Hey, Otto. I've got a joke for you. Why did the chicken cross the road?"
You: "What chicken? Where's your PROOF that he crossed the road? EVIDENCE!"

The above is something I just made up for fun, by the way, before you reply asking me to provide proof that that conversation actually happened.  ::)


Online Vincent Baxter

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2021, 10:04:08 PM »
Anyone in that situation, other than law enforcement, who runs toward gunfire deserves to be shot haha

Exactly!
It would make more sense that they were running in that direction to get cover, which would suggest the shots were coming anywhere but the knoll.
It would also sound more heroic for witnesses to say they were running towards where they thought the gunman was than to say they were running to a place they felt was more safe because they were scared. But that is just speculation on my part.

Online Jon Banks

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2021, 01:23:56 AM »
I queried this on here a few months back and I think the logical explanation seemed to be that someone told a policeman that the shots came from the grassy knoll and people followed him as he ran in that direction.
My initial query was that I thought it odd that so many people would have ran towards the knoll if they genuinely believed that's where the gunman was. Surely, most people's natural instinct would be to run away from that area?

Several witnesses reported hearing gunshots coming from the Knoll.

Some reported seeing smoke or flashes of light from the Knoll.

Not everyone is the same. There are lots of good people who’s first instinct was to find out what was going on or try to apprehend the shooter.


Offline John Mytton

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2021, 02:31:37 AM »
The problem is NOBODY ran immediately to the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" till much much later.


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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2021, 02:43:03 AM »
‘ 21 JFK cops who heard a grassy knoll shot’
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Stewart Galanor says 52 earwitnesses said they thought one or more shots came from in front of the motorcade. Richard Charnin says 88 witnesses heard a knoll shot. Even John McAdams, a die-hard anti-conspiracy theorist, agrees that at least 33 witnesses spoke of hearing a gunshot from in front of the motorcade.

Railroad worker S.M. Holland, who was watching from the Triple Underpass, says he heard a rifle report and saw smoke from behind the stockade face atop the grassy knoll. (Watch Holland tell his story here.)

The area was searched by police within minutes of JFK’s assassination. No gunman was found.
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Twenty one officers said, independently, that their reaction to the gunfire was to go search the area famously known as “the grassy knoll.”

The unanimity of their reaction is striking. On November 22, after hearing gunfire near the presidential motorcade, they all converged on the parking lot and the railroad yard, lined by a stockade fence, on top of a grassy embankment overlooking the motorcade route.

https://jfkfacts.org/21-jfk-cops-who-heard-a-grassy-knoll-shot/

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2021, 02:56:17 AM »
‘ 21 JFK cops who heard a grassy knoll shot’
https://jfkfacts.org/21-jfk-cops-who-heard-a-grassy-knoll-shot/

The evidence is that 95% of earwitnesses say the shots came from only ONE direction because if indeed there was crossfire from both ends of Dealey Plaza then that would be bleedingly obvious and we know beyond all doubt that both Kennedy and Connally were struck at least once from behind, therefore all shots came from behind!
And as often stated having a shooter in front when your Patsy is behind makes Zero sense. Logically if the Conspirators wanted to make sure of a Kill they would have multiple shooters peppering the buildings behind but in front, Nahhhh!



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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2021, 03:15:31 AM »
I consider myself results oriented. I spent the day posting and supporting the authenticity of the obituaries of all three tramps. The obit birth dates match the DPD detention records created in either 1963 or created or altered when publicly disclosed in 1989.

Gerry routinely "suckers you into" worthless diversions (fruitless over well plowed ground) like this thread, or utter nonsense like this.

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2021, 03:45:20 AM »
The evidence is that 95% of earwitnesses say the shots came from only ONE direction because if indeed there was crossfire from both ends of Dealey Plaza then that would be bleedingly obvious and we know beyond all doubt that both Kennedy and Connally were struck at least once from behind, therefore all shots came from behind!
And as often stated having a shooter in front when your Patsy is behind makes Zero sense. Logically if the Conspirators wanted to make sure of a Kill they would have multiple shooters peppering the buildings behind but in front, Nahhhh!



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Police officers recognize gunfire more than the average civilian..

Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area.

Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD.

I know that ear and eye witnesses aren’t the most reliable evidence but if dozens of people, including police officers, reported hearing shots fired from that direction, then it means something might’ve happened there.

Having a second shooter makes perfect sense as a plan B if one assassin fails to get the kill shot.

Most Americans didn’t see the Zapruder film or even know it existed until the 1970s.
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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2021, 03:47:56 AM »
Exactly!
It would make more sense that they were running in that direction to get cover, which would suggest the shots were coming anywhere but the knoll.
It would also sound more heroic for witnesses to say they were running towards where they thought the gunman was than to say they were running to a place they felt was more safe because they were scared. But that is just speculation on my part.

'It would make more sense that they were running in that direction to get cover, which would suggest the shots were coming anywhere but the knoll'.
> That implies that the cop would have to be running away as well haha. Seriously, I think they were caught up in the moment and thought the killer might had been at least spotted.. you know; the 'morbid curiosity' thing. Alternately, others might have realized that like a school of fish, safety-in-numbers is the way to go

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2021, 05:34:56 AM »
The problem is NOBODY ran immediately to the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" till much much later.
"the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" 
How were they supposed to know how to get there? Oh I know...high hurdle.
"till much much later"
Much much later as opposed to just much later or a little while later or the next day?
 
The Hughes film should clear that up a bit-------
 

 

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