The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2021, 02:43:03 AM »
‘ 21 JFK cops who heard a grassy knoll shot’
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Stewart Galanor says 52 earwitnesses said they thought one or more shots came from in front of the motorcade. Richard Charnin says 88 witnesses heard a knoll shot. Even John McAdams, a die-hard anti-conspiracy theorist, agrees that at least 33 witnesses spoke of hearing a gunshot from in front of the motorcade.

Railroad worker S.M. Holland, who was watching from the Triple Underpass, says he heard a rifle report and saw smoke from behind the stockade face atop the grassy knoll. (Watch Holland tell his story here.)

The area was searched by police within minutes of JFK’s assassination. No gunman was found.
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Twenty one officers said, independently, that their reaction to the gunfire was to go search the area famously known as “the grassy knoll.”

The unanimity of their reaction is striking. On November 22, after hearing gunfire near the presidential motorcade, they all converged on the parking lot and the railroad yard, lined by a stockade fence, on top of a grassy embankment overlooking the motorcade route.

https://jfkfacts.org/21-jfk-cops-who-heard-a-grassy-knoll-shot/

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2021, 02:56:17 AM »
‘ 21 JFK cops who heard a grassy knoll shot’
https://jfkfacts.org/21-jfk-cops-who-heard-a-grassy-knoll-shot/

The evidence is that 95% of earwitnesses say the shots came from only ONE direction because if indeed there was crossfire from both ends of Dealey Plaza then that would be bleedingly obvious and we know beyond all doubt that both Kennedy and Connally were struck at least once from behind, therefore all shots came from behind!
And as often stated having a shooter in front when your Patsy is behind makes Zero sense. Logically if the Conspirators wanted to make sure of a Kill they would have multiple shooters peppering the buildings behind but in front, Nahhhh!



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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2021, 03:15:31 AM »
I consider myself results oriented. I spent the day posting and supporting the authenticity of the obituaries of all three tramps. The obit birth dates match the DPD detention records created in either 1963 or created or altered when publicly disclosed in 1989.

Gerry routinely "suckers you into" worthless diversions (fruitless over well plowed ground) like this thread, or utter nonsense like this.

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2021, 03:45:20 AM »
The evidence is that 95% of earwitnesses say the shots came from only ONE direction because if indeed there was crossfire from both ends of Dealey Plaza then that would be bleedingly obvious and we know beyond all doubt that both Kennedy and Connally were struck at least once from behind, therefore all shots came from behind!
And as often stated having a shooter in front when your Patsy is behind makes Zero sense. Logically if the Conspirators wanted to make sure of a Kill they would have multiple shooters peppering the buildings behind but in front, Nahhhh!



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Police officers recognize gunfire more than the average civilian..

Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area.

Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD.

I know that ear and eye witnesses aren’t the most reliable evidence but if dozens of people, including police officers, reported hearing shots fired from that direction, then it means something might’ve happened there.

Having a second shooter makes perfect sense as a plan B if one assassin fails to get the kill shot.

Most Americans didn’t see the Zapruder film or even know it existed until the 1970s.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2021, 03:47:56 AM »
Exactly!
It would make more sense that they were running in that direction to get cover, which would suggest the shots were coming anywhere but the knoll.
It would also sound more heroic for witnesses to say they were running towards where they thought the gunman was than to say they were running to a place they felt was more safe because they were scared. But that is just speculation on my part.

'It would make more sense that they were running in that direction to get cover, which would suggest the shots were coming anywhere but the knoll'.
> That implies that the cop would have to be running away as well haha. Seriously, I think they were caught up in the moment and thought the killer might had been at least spotted.. you know; the 'morbid curiosity' thing. Alternately, others might have realized that like a school of fish, safety-in-numbers is the way to go

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2021, 05:34:56 AM »
The problem is NOBODY ran immediately to the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" till much much later.
"the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" 
How were they supposed to know how to get there? Oh I know...high hurdle.
"till much much later"
Much much later as opposed to just much later or a little while later or the next day?
 
The Hughes film should clear that up a bit-------
 

Offline John Mytton

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Re: The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2021, 05:56:19 AM »
Police officers recognize gunfire more than the average civilian..

Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area.

Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD.

I know that ear and eye witnesses aren’t the most reliable evidence but if dozens of people, including police officers, reported hearing shots fired from that direction, then it means something might’ve happened there.

Having a second shooter makes perfect sense as a plan B if one assassin fails to get the kill shot.

Most Americans didn’t see the Zapruder film or even know it existed until the 1970s.

Why are you ignoring the significant impact of my post and deferring to your default position of appeal to authority? This has zero to do with recognizing gunfire per se, as we are discussing locating two loud audio sources from either end of Dealey Plaza and it doesn't take a trained brain to calculate the difference in the loudness and perceived direction of these sounds.
The majority of earwitnesses were between the Depository and the Grassy Knoll and the vast majority of these earwitnesses say the loud sounds emanated from either one end of Dealey Plaza or the other end, and there was only a tiny amount of earwitnesses who say that these loud sounds came from multiple directions.
Thus all the loud sounds came only from one direction and since we know that both Kennedy and Connally were struck from behind, it can only follow that ALL the shots came from behind, there can be no other conclusion.
You yourself state that "Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area." and only "Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD", meaning that those Police Officers who thought they heard ALL the shots from the Grassy Knoll area by definition must be wrong because we know beyond all doubt that both men were struck from behind.

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