Hoffman couldn't hear, White didn't hear, Murphy heard.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Here is a pix of the railroad carparks circa 1966.
The main area ABCDEFG appears to have an entry/exit at 1 (Elm St extn) & 2 (Houston St).
On Friday 22 Nov 1963 the only entry/exit available was 1.  I saw that somewhere.
Anyhow Bowers confirms that when in the youtube footage he says that he didn’t know whether Car 3 (the dirty 1961-62 chevvy with out of state plates & political stickers) parked or whether it left the area koz he said that he couldn’t see Elm St beyond the TSBD.  This suggests that 2 was closed at that time.

If u think about it, if he wasnt sure whether Car3 had left then how can he be sure that Car1 & Car2 had left earlier.
Car1 & Car2 would have disappeared behind the TSBD same as Car3, all 3 cars could have been parked behind the TSBD (behind from Bowers' view, in front from everyone else's view).
In any case Elm St extn itself is outside the carpark, so merely driving into Elm St extn qualifies as "leaving".

Entry/exit 2 must have been closed for some reason, either temporarily koz of JFK, or praps semi-permanently koz of the roadworks on Houston.
So, all of the cars going in & out of ABCDEFG on Fri 22Nov1963 had to use Elm, ie entry/exit  No1 in my pix.
So, was there a sniper behind the paling fence, i don’t think so,
not if he/she wanted to drive away with a rifle,
& not if he/she wanted to drive away without a rifle.

Ok here's the plan. We dont fire from a hiding place, we fire from where we can be easily seen. No-one will suspect that.
We dont run away, we simply drive or walk towards the cops & trouble. No-one will suspect that.

 

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

We might as well celebrate my finding of another aerial pix by having another look at the silliness of Hoffman's tosser & tossee.
Look at how far the tosser had to run to get to the tossee (pick one of the 2 stars).
Look at how far the tossee had to walk to get to a Cabinet.  Why didn't he dismantle the rifle near a car?
The gawkers & cops on the triple underpass would not see a thing koz the tosser & tossee knew that they would be watching JFK & Co passing under. Smart.
Sitzman, standing high on the pedestal, would have seen & heard the tosser firing over the fence.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Holland & Lane i think near Cabinet No1.


Spot the snipers.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/FreeWayman.htm
……….. After the motorcade passed and having failed to get “Foster’s” attention, Ed then ran to his car and headed north on Stemmons to the first exit at Continental Avenue, and then into downtown in search of someone in authority to tell what he’d seen. [EW, 10]
 (Marrs and Sloan each next take Ed into the Dealey Plaza area, the former describing Ed being able to drive around behind the TSBD in search of the men he’d seen “for some time and then leave without being stopped or questioned by authorities,” [Marrs, 83] but also without attempting to communicate with any of the dozens of officers there about the men. Sloan depicts Ed going to “the parking area by the railroad yards,” but leaving the area because of all the “panic” and “mass confusion.” He did not attempt to approach any of the police there because he “didn’t know how to communicate with any of them.” “Instead,” Sloan says, Ed decided to “try to report what he had seen to the police” (!). [Sloan, 20])………

Might the Falcon in the pix be Hoffman's?  It doesn't seem to be a police car.
It is blocked & will probly have to reverse out.  Hoffman had a passenger that day but we can't see a passenger sitting in the car.  The driver might be missing too, its hard to tell. 
In reality Hoffman did not see a tosser & a tossee, hence if that is Hoffman then he must have simply driven over to have a gawk, having no information of any kind that might be of any use.
In other versions of his story Hoffman said that he didn't drive to Dealey Plaza, he went straight to his dentist.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/10267-ed-hoffmans-activities-and-observations/page/18/
Dale Myers wrote……….. ………….. Did you notice that in Eye Witness, Ed states that he saw the limo roar up the entrance ramp, and then turned around again to see the "rifle toss" and flight ... and then turned around again to see the SS follow-up car with Hickey pointing his AR-15 at him? (See the sketches above for an illustration of how far apart the limo and follow-up car were.) ……………

My Comments………… If Dale is correct, & according to my memory of what Hoffman said over the years (June 1967)(march 1977)(about 5 other accounts)(about 5 youtube footages)(2 books)(i haven’t redd the books, but i have seen snippets), we can (ignoring most of the self-contradictions over the years) assemble the following storyline (one of many possible storylines) that Hoffman ………..
1. Sat waiting on the western concrete barrier of the 3-lane Stemmons Overpass.
2. Saw a puff of smoke at the carpark fence (at the time of say Z313).
3. Saw 2 guys with a rifle & a gun in the railway carpark.
4. Saw JFK below him in the limo, with a gaping head-wound, speeding north on the on-ramp.
5. Turned & saw 2 guys execute a rifle-toss in the carpark, & saw 1 run north & then east along railways, & saw 1 walk back east into the carpark.
6. Turned back & saw Hickey below him in the Queen Mary, brandishing an AR15, speeding north on the on-ramp.
7. Ran north towards Officer Brown (on duty up on the railway bridge), to try to alert him of a shooter in the carpark.
8. Continued past Brown, to Hoffman's Falcon, parked on the west shoulder of the on-ramp, just north of the railway bridge.
9. Drove his Falcon east sharply across the lanes of Stemmons (which was still blocked to northbound traffic at the railway bridge),
.......& then drove north-east on the off-ramp,
..........& then drove to the TSBD area (to report the shooters)(& to look for the shooters).
10. Drove around the railway carparks near the TSBD -- didn’t like the commotion, so exited.
11. Drove to the Police building -- but found that it was closed.
12. Gave up -- & drove to his dental appointment.

Some of Hoffman's storyline works ok -- & some bits are impossible.
More to come.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Here are my calculations of some likely or possible timings for likely or possible events.

Z313. Tosser shoots JFK in the head.  Time is 00.0 sec.
Z471. Limo enters triple underpass.
158 frames from Z313 to Z471 at 18.3 fps is 8.6 sec.
76 yd from Z313 to Z471 in 8.6 sec is 18.0 mph.

Z471 to where JFK going north passes Hoffman's Lookout is 254 yd.
At an average speed of  30 mph this takes  17.3 sec ---- add  8.6 sec makes a total of  25.9 sec.
At an average speed of  35 mph this takes  14.8 sec ---- add  8.6 sec makes a total of  23.2 sec.
At an average speed of  40 mph this takes  13.0 sec ---- add  8.6 sec makes a total of  21.6 sec.
At an average speed of  45 mph this takes  11.5 sec ---- add  8.6 sec makes a total of  20.1 sec.
The average speed will have been slow, due to the limo slowing to get directions to the hospital from the lead car which had stopped or nearly.  And there is a bend onto the on-ramp. I reckon that JFK is likely to have taken at least 23 sec from Z313 to Hoffman's Lookout.

From Hoffman's Lookout to the north side of the railway overpass is 100 yd.
At an average speed of  40 mph this takes JFK  5.1 sec.
At an average speed of  45 mph this takes  4.5 sec.
At an average speed of  50 mph this takes  4.1 sec.
At an average speed of  55 mph this takes  3.7 sec.
At an average speed of  60 mph this takes  3.4 sec.
I reckon that it took  4.1 sec.

And the Queen Mary would have been no more that  2 sec behind all the way.

Z313.  Tosser shoots JFK in the head (Hoffman sees puff of smoke) ---- 00.0 sec. ---------- 00.0 sec.
Tosser runs 35 yd & tosses rifle --- 4 yd/s is 8.2 mph ----- -------------- 08.7 sec ------------ 08.7 sec.
Tosser walks north-east & meets Officer Smith -----------------------------17.5 sec ------------ 26.2 sec.
Tosser is questioned by Officer Smith --------------------------------------- 04.0 sec ------------ 30.2 sec.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

I reckon that JFK got to Hoffman's Lookout in 23.0 sec after the last shot at Z313.
And the Queen Mary was 2 sec behind at 25.0 sec.
And 4.1 sec later JFK & Queen Mary were north of the rail bridge (27.1 sec)(29.1 sec).
And a few seconds later (30.1 sec)(32.1 sec) JFK & Queen Mary had passed Hoffman's Falcon (parked he said just north of the rail bridge) & had merged onto Stemmons.
I reckoned that the tosser tosses the rifle to the tossee at 8.7 sec.
And then the tosser meets Officer Smith at 26.2 sec.
So, JFK & Queen Mary passed Hoffman at 23.0 & 25.0, while the tosser was walking to his meeting.
Hoffman said that he saw the toss after JFK went by, & before Queen Mary.
That aint possible. (a) I feel sure that Queen Mary trailed by no more than 2 sec.
(b) Hoffman gave at least 4 versions of the carpark antics of the tosser & tossee over the years, & the antic that i used for my toss being at 8.7 sec is the slowest.

Tosser & Smith have a dialog from 26.2 sec to 30.2 sec.
This was during the same period that JFK was in view of Hoffman when JFK emerged on the on-ramp south of Hoffman at say 22.0 sec, untill JFK passed the rail bridge at 27.1 sec, & Queen Mary passed the rail bridge at 29.1 sec.
So, how did Hoffman keep an eye on the on-ramp & the carpark at the same time?
If Hoffman looked away from the on-ramp say 2 sec after Queen Mary had passed, ie at 27.0 sec, he would not have caught Smith greeting tosser at 26.2.

Anyhow, even if Hoffman had been sitting at the Hoffman Lookout, like he said, there was no tosser or tossee.