Hoffman couldn't hear, White didn't hear, Murphy heard.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Larry Sneed -- No More Silence: An Oral History of the Assassination of President Kennedy

JOE MURPHY Traffic Division Dallas Police Department "] could see that something was wrong in the car as it got nearer to my position because the
President's wife was leaning over toward President Kennedy, and as ] was standing right above them, ] heard someone say, "Get us to the nearest hospital!"
Born and raised in Dallas, Joe Murphy was offered a contract to play baseball in the Chicago White Sox organization. After playing a year at Midland in the
West Texas-Mexican League and later for a semi-pro team in Baytown, Texas, he returned to Dallas and upon the advise of an uncle,
joined the Dallas Police Department in 1942. Interrupted by service in the Army during World War II, Murphy returned to the police department in 1946
 where he served most of his career in the Traffic Division. He is reputed to have given the most traffic tickets in the history of the Dallas Police Department.

I was assigned on the Stemmons Freeway over Elm Street about 150 yards from the School Book Depository. My job was to keep traffic moving and
not to allow anybody to stop on the bridge or park their car anywhere on the shoulders
so that they could watch the motorcade from the bridge.

I was facing west by the way the motorcade was traveling, and it was to go up the service road to my right and onto the freeway.
Several motor jockeys and other officers were there to stop traffic completely when the motorcade was to pass.
That was the only time that traffic was allowed to stop on the freeway.
Many of the officers were north of the overpass as much as a quarter of a mile from the overpass where the Elm Street entrance entered the freeway.
Others were just riding the area stopping with messages they had for me. We were all channeled to listen for any information from the office or from the dispatcher.

Prior to the arrival of the motorcade I saw some men walking up on the Triple Underpass. Based on how they were dressed, I assumed they were railroad people.
There was also at least one officer there as well.
I could see the motorcade when it came down Main and turned right onto Houston and over to Elm.
But there were some trees that obscured my view at Elm and Houston, so I lost sight of it for a moment or two.
As it approached my position,I heard the shots and a flock of pigeons took off flying in circles.
I couldn't tell where the noise was coming from due to the reverberations. In fact, I didn't realize they were shots at first.
But I did hear three, what were later defined as shots, and they were about evenly spaced.

I could see that something was wrong in the car as it got nearer to my position because the President's wife was leaning over toward President Kennedy,
and as I was standing right above them, I heard someone say, "Get us to the nearest hospital!"
I waited to hear something on the radio and had difficulty hearing due to all the noise.
By that time, traffic had been reopened north on Stemmons so the noise factor had increased.

I wasn't able to tell much about what was going on in Dealey Plaza.
I saw a number of people on the ground, then some began to move back up toward the hill. Most were headed toward the intersection at Elm and Houston.
I didn't see anybody below me or in that grassy area. I've heard so many tales about that grassy area,
but I don't recall seeing anybody over there either running or walking.

After the shooting, the order was given for all us three-wheelers to come to the School Book Depository.
We were told that some people were supposed to have been running behind the building. So we circled the area looking for anything and yet nothing in particular.
I remember talking with several people just to see if they had seen anything, but there was nothing of any value that I recall that concerned the shooting.
I wasn't involved in anything further in the investigation. My usual hours were 6:00 A.M. to 2:00 P.M., but they held us over late that afternoon. I had..........

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Ok, we have a problem.  There is a possible glitch in my theory.
Murphy is trying to dash across Stemmons at the same time & place that Hoffman is slowly motoring his Falcon into history. 
Did Murphy cross first, or did Hoffman (& passenger) pass throo first, or did they collide?
The aerial shows the problem.  JFK is entering the triple underpass when the Falcon is at the start.
And Murphy is at that exact moment climbing up to stand higher in the trunk of his 3-wheeler.
Murphy wont start his dash until JFK has passed under him, his dash covers 24 yd.
Did Murphy cross first?
JFK & Co are accelerating, the underpass is 40 yd wide, the overpass is 24 yd wide, dist tween is 147 yd.
The Falcon is going slow & getting slower, & stops where shown, about 67 yd.
I have drawn the Falcon's traject in lane-3, but it could have been in lane-2 or lane-4, lane-1 & lane-5 are breakdown lanes.
Mr Passenger is all the while looking down on JFK & Co, at least he is once JFK has exited the underpass.
Murphy shortly realizes that he can't see JFK when JFK is exiting the underpass koz by standing high in the trunk the signage is now
blocking his view of JFK under the signage & he quickly jumps down onto the tarmac again.
Hoffman sees Murphy's gymnastics, his passenger yells that there is something wrong in the motorcade.
Mr Passenger hears the sirens & sees the flashing lights.
Hoffman yells back that its no good yelling at him koz he is deaf!
Mr Passenger yells back then how did Hoffman know that he was yelling!
JFK passes under Murphy & Murphy spins around to start his dash.
Hoffman sees Murphy take a step towards Hoffman's lane.
Murphy sees the Falcon & his eyes meet Hoffman's eyes.
Who blinks first?
Did Hoffman hit the brakes, or did he hit the accelerator?
Did he hit Murphy?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Possibly Murphy after he had been called to the TSBD.
I reckon that he looks shaken, koz he saw a bloody JFk, or praps it was koz he had nearly been flattened by a Falcon.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

I reckon that Hoffman's Falcon passed Officer Murphy as Murphy spun to dash across the overpass.
Its like this.  A close look at the frames shows that the Falcon was going at 3.3 yd/sec for almost all of its 59 yd & 19.0 sec traject, ie from when/where the Falcon appears
until when/where it stops next to the gawker sitting on the western barrier.
The Falcon has to travel 38 yd to get to the conflict point where Murphy crosses, which takes the Falcon 11.5 sec at 3.3 yd/sec.
Meanwhile JFK has to cross the triple underpass which is 40 yd wide, & then go 147 yd to reach Murphy, totaling  187 yd, which at say 35 mph or 17.2 yd/sec takes 10.9 sec.   
And we can add say 1 sec for Murphy to have a half look at Queen Mary approaching him, which makes it 11.9 sec.
So, when Murphy spins round he sees that the Falcon is already passing, & there is no conflict with the Falcon.
Murphy dashes across 24 yd to the western side on an angle to catch a late glimpse of JFK.
The Falcon continues another 21 yd & 7.5 sec before stopping well short of the end of the stationary queue of cars, koz Mr Passenger is yelling to stop.
Mr Passenger jumps out 1 car length before the Falcon has stopped rolling, & he looks north west to see the rear of the JFK limo well up north along the on-ramp.
After passing under Murphy the JFK limo takes 3.5 sec to reach Hoffman's Lookout, which is made up of 25 yd to cross the overpass plus 45 yd to get to the Lookout totaling 70 yd at 41 mph or 20.0 yd/sec.
3.5 sec plus 10.9 sec totals 14.4 sec for the limo to get to Hoffman's Lookout (after we first see Hoffman's Falcon)(ie after the JFK limo is seen entering the triple underpass).
The limo takes another 4.0 sec to go the additional 105 yd to the rail bridge, ie a total of 18.4 sec.
Whilst the Falcon takes 19.0 sec to stop near the gawker sitting on the barrier.
Mr Passenger jumped out over 1 second before the Falcon stopped, ie at 18.0 sec, & Hoffman jumped out say 1 sec after it stopped, ie at 20.0 sec.
Either way the limo had passed the Lookout at 14.4 sec, & Mr Passenger was  3.6 sec too late & Hoffman was 5.6 sec too late.
No, Hoffman aint never saw no hole in JFK's head.
And, also, don’t forget from a previous reply that Z313 was 26 sec before the Falcon stopped,
hence even if Hoffman looked towards the paling fence carpark as soon as he got out
he would nonetheless be too late to see any paling fence sniper playing toss the rifle.
Hoffman would have looked after JFK & Co for a while, before turning his attention to the east.
Hoffman would at best have seen the early stages of the commotion on & around the triple underpass, but not the first say 30 sec.
And then his attention would return to the remnants of the motorcade straggling past.
By then there would be a crowd at the Lookout -- Hoffman, Mr Passenger, the gawker sitting on the barrier, & say 6 gawkers who had joined them from the queues of cars.
And after about 15 minutes the roadblock would be removed & Hoffman would continue to his dentist.  And Hoffman would have a tale to tell.
JFK had been shot, & Hoffman caught a glimpse of the tail of JFK's limo when it was 200 yd north of the rail bridge, ie over 300 yd from Hoffman.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Here is the McIntire 2 pix from Robin Unger's gallery. 
How come McIntire 2 isnt of JFK's limo?
Was he too slow winding his camera?
Or was his pix of JFK's limo confiscated?
What might a missing confiscated JFK pix show that was confiscation-worthy?
A cracked windshield?
[edit 25may2022][The jfklimo had passed McIntyre before he had rewound his camera, the jfklimo had moved well over 136 ft since his previous pix when it was 136 ft away from him, but he managed to get this pix of the Queen Mary which was about 70 ft behind the jfklimo, ie 50 ft clear behind, ie there was 50 ft of daylite tween the 2 limo's.]


Agent McIntyre is on the left running board. Different spelling.
There are 8 gawkers. And there are another say 4 gawkers nearer the triple underpass, including Jack Daniel & his grandkids filming.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Here is Hoffman's map of his sniper & rifle toss & cabinet.


Here is Bower's view.
As can be seen the cabinets are not exactly where Hoffman reckons.  His cabinet might be No2, near the 3 gawkers.
Why would the tossee walk past cars to get to a cabinet?
Why would a tosser run from one end of the carpark to the other end, & then walk back not far away from where he shot.
Surely the tossee could stand near the tosser & then dismantle the rifle immediately without having to look for some silly cabinet.



Here is Bower's view again. Which cabinet did Hoffman refer to?  All 3 are a long ways away from the site of the toss.
Notice that Bowers would have seen Arnold if Arnold were standing tween the fence & the pergola.
And we know from other photos that Bowers could not possibly see the 3 guys that we know were standing halfway down the steps from the pergola to Elm St.


Bowers had a good view of Murphy & Hoffman on the Stemmons Freeway overpass, if no trains.


Could Bowers see Hickey's AR15 smoke throo the hollow blocks of the pergola?  I reckon not.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

4:55 Bowers heard 3 shots, & he tapped the table to show the timing.
The first & second were 1 sec apart, & second & third were 1/5th second apart.
I recall that Bowers said somewhere that he saw no shooters, he saw 1 shooter firing, & he saw 2 shooters firing. If he hadnt died in a traffic accident he would surely have reached 3 or 4 shooters firing.