Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Martin Weidmann]

Sometimes nothing is a real cool hand.  Imagine someone complaining that nothing happened with N. Korea like maybe a war.  Instead four years of peace and quiet.  Shame on Trump!  He should have done "something."  What exactly is left to our imagination.     

You actually really believe that Kim did nothing in those four years? Really? He just had some fun with Trump making a fool of himself and went on with his nuclear programs as usual.

There will, however, never be a war with North Korea for one simple reason; it will lead to the total destruction of North Korea and Kim knows it. So, he does the next best thing by making threats to obtain concessions. An easy thing to do with the paranoid Republicans who see a threat everywhere and desperately want to expand the military.

[Richard Smith]

You actually really believe that Kim did nothing in those four years? Really? He just had some fun with Trump making a fool of himself and went on with his nuclear programs as usual.

There will, however, never be a war with North Korea for one simple reason; it will lead to the total destruction of North Korea and Kim knows it. So, he does the next best thing by making threats to obtain concessions. An easy thing to do with the paranoid Republicans who see a threat everywhere and desperately want to expand the military.

Tell it to Obama who advised Trump that N. Korea was the biggest threat that he would face.  It's a small "concession" to meet with Kim for a couple of hours to avoid a global conflict.  Trump maintained the peace with N. Korea and didn't involve the US in any foreign conflict.  In fact, he did his best to bring American soldiers home over the outraged protests of the establishment politicians on both the right and left.  Yet it's Trump who is Hitler according to you with your vast knowledge of history.  Not the establishment politicians like Old Joe that put Americans at risk around the world for decades for no purpose except to receive kickbacks from the tax dollars used to fund these endless wars. 

[Rick Plant]

No, I support democracy.  Which we do not currently have.  Do you have $800 billion to run for senate in Georgia?  If not, then you are out of luck.  Who has $800 billion?  The paymasters who decide who gets elected.  Do you think Old Joe or any establishment politician can exercise independent judgment on issues when they take billions of dollars to get elected?

  

Sorry, you do not support democracy. The Trump cult is anti democracy. They attempted a coup to steal the election. $800 billion was not spent on the Senate run off election in Georgia. Your posts are getting more outrageous by the day.   
   

[Rick Plant]

Old Joe's many failures so far (and we are just getting started):

Virus deaths - 100K and counting under his administration despite the availability of the Trump vaccine
Rampant crime in our cities
Opening the borders to a flood of illegal immigrants
Plan to legalize 15-20 million illegal immigrants already in the US
US taxpayer funding of world abortions
No COVID stimulus relief
Botched federal assistance to US citizens in Texas
Reluctance to open schools despite the CDC (the "scientists") confirming that it is safe due to his spineless response to the teacher's union
Shutdown the Keystone pipeline resulting in the immediate loss of thousands of jobs, higher gas prices, and greater dependence on foreign oil

 

Criminal Donald left with 25+ million sick and dying people from the Trump Virus. That's his fault.

Crime is going down in cities.

The House is passing President Biden's record stimulus relief bill thar right wingers refuse to pass.

Texas already received the maximum federal relief.

Schools do not need to be opened up until it's safe for teachers to work.

Keystone pipeline does nothing to produce the massive amount of oil we need.

Try harder. Your bogus talking points failed again and you keep repeating them over and over.

You've already been debunked several times.

[Rick Plant]

Outstanding.  Playing to Kim's ego to avoid a nuclear holocaust.  Trump is the first president in over 40 years not to become involved in a foreign conflict.  He effectively neutralized Kim with non-military measures.  The establishment repubs and dems were furious that they had no new wars to fund for their paymasters.  Any suggestion of minimizing the US military presence in places like Europe or Afghanistan was met with substantial pushback due to all the money that flows to organizations that fund the campaigns of the establishment politicians.  Only Trump had the independence to do that.

 

Richard thinks it's outstanding that weak Criminal Donald bows down to a murderous dictator Kim Jong Un who rapidly expanded his nuclear arsenal right under Donald's nose. What a bunch of total b.s. Richard is pushing.

No US President ever saluted a dictator's General like Criminal Donald did. Weakness at its finest. Kim and his cohorts look on in approval as weak Donald shows his allegiance to North Korea.

[Rick Plant]

The House is set to pass Biden’s Covid relief bill this week – here’s what’s next
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/stimulus-update-heres-whats-next-for-bidens-covid-relief-package.html

Supreme Court won't stop grand jury from getting Trump's tax returns: The decision marks a decisive defeat in Trump's prolonged legal battle to keep his tax records out of the hands of investigators
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-won-t-stop-grand-jury-getting-trump-s-n125849

[Martin Weidmann]

Tell it to Obama who advised Trump that N. Korea was the biggest threat that he would face.  It's a small "concession" to meet with Kim for a couple of hours to avoid a global conflict.  Trump maintained the peace with N. Korea and didn't involve the US in any foreign conflict.  In fact, he did his best to bring American soldiers home over the outraged protests of the establishment politicians on both the right and left.  Yet it's Trump who is Hitler according to you with your vast knowledge of history.  Not the establishment politicians like Old Joe that put Americans at risk around the world for decades for no purpose except to receive kickbacks from the tax dollars used to fund these endless wars.

It's a small "concession" to meet with Kim for a couple of hours to avoid a global conflict.

You are talking about an imaginary global conflict that paranoid right wing warmongers have been predicting for decades. There's always some enemy who is out to destroy the country, yet it never happens. North Korea is playing a poker game and Trump fell for their bluff.

Trump maintained the peace with N. Korea and didn't involve the US in any foreign conflict.

No. Trump maintained the status quo with North Korea, which was always going to be there, because Kim isn't stupid enough to start a war that will result in the total destruction of his country. And as for Trump not involving the US in a foreign conflict, which of course is a good thing, refresh my memory please; in what foreign conflict, that didn't already exist, did Obama involve the country in?

In fact, he did his best to bring American soldiers home over the outraged protests of the establishment politicians on both the right and left.

As did Obama, who had pulled most of the troops out of Iraq by December 2011.

Yet it's Trump who is Hitler according to you

Classic Smith misrepresentation. I never said Trump is Hitler. I said that in time he could become one! Fortunately he never got to that point!

Not the establishment politicians like Old Joe that put Americans at risk around the world for decades for no purpose except to receive kickbacks from the tax dollars used to fund these endless wars.

Talk to the Republicans. Reagan brought us the Iran/Contra deal and the invasion of Grenada and the Bush family brought us two Gulf wars and the invasion in Afghanistan.

[John Tonkovich]

Hey John,

Hope all you guys (and gals) in the US are safe and well.

Variants vs vaccines is a sort of battle but the various amino acid substitutions and deletions that enhance binding are being closely tracked since the first major one, the UK variant first appeared. I think the South African and Brazilian variants are now thought to be the most contagious. Simply put they increase the chance of spread to more people with less particles. You lower the effective infective dose. That said the current vaccines in use, Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford are still effective although somewhat diminished in their ability to prevent infection. The key is if you do get infected the symptoms are mild. No need for hospitalisation. I believe the vaccine technology developed will allow for "tweaks" to take care of variants down the track before they get out of hand.

For the US the vaccine rollout looks to be reasonably good. Almost 2 million doses per day now I believe. Remember it takes almost three weeks for the vaccine to promote a protective response so there will be a lag. Also the second dose provides best protection. As the most at risk are first in line along with health workers et al I believe you will see a dramatic downturn in deaths and hospitalisations by summer. The only spanner would be the variants taking off. The case numbers have fallen lately which suggests they haven’t taken hold "yet". You might see a bounce in numbers again if they do.

As for comparison of administrations, as an observer I think the obvious difference is consistency of approach. It seems steady with less bluster and just getting on with the job rather than holding daily press conferences that were thinly disguised election promotions. Perhaps the best description is the depoliticising of a public health crisis, as much as we could expect to happen in a political environment.

I think there is great optimism for a much better 2021.

Mr. Crow - oops - Dr. Crow:
Could you do that " math" thing, and compare deaths per capita, U.S.. versus other countries? Including your own.
We have reached an amazingly horrifying figure.
Thx.