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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2464 on: September 06, 2023, 03:08:26 AM »
However!

That would not be the end of the story, if Mr. Robert Kennedy had anything to do with it. As a (the?) prime architect of the false-flag operation, he knew that a genuine fact-finding official investigation would be anathema. And so he had to bide his time. He publicly endorsed the ridiculous findings of the Warren Commission. But he was determined to identify, and take revenge on, whoever had murdered his brother. The only way was under-the-radar inquiry and investigation, not anything the public would see. If elected President at some point in the future, he would be in a position to take things to the next level.

Thus is resolved the hitherto baffling paradox of post-JFK-assassination Mr. Robert Kennedy:
1. A man who plays a key role in the cover-up of his brother's murder
2. A man who passionately wants to get to the bottom of his brother's murder.

Grief, guilt------------------and rage

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2465 on: September 07, 2023, 03:29:37 AM »
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Mr. Shelley tells this to FBI on 18 March 1964.

I suspect Mr. Lovelady may indeed have been seated in the doorway as Pres. Kennedy was passing. His view, however, was suddenly obscured by the energetic waving of a flag by his co-worker, Mr. Lee Oswald. An irritated Mr. Lovelady rises to his feet to see over the flag.

This would explain the fact that a standing Mr. Lovelady is not evident in Towner but is visible in the LATER Bell frames:



Bell may be showing him JUST after rising to his feet.

If so, then Mr. Lovelady may not have been as in the loop on things as I previously supposed
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 04:02:50 AM by Alan Ford »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2466 on: September 07, 2023, 03:42:48 AM »


One thing that has puzzled me is the squareness of Mr. Lovelady's white tshirt here. Very different to the V-shape we see elsewhere.

Could it in fact be the flag itself, which Mr. Oswald is waving just in front of Mr. Lovelady?

Online Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2467 on: September 07, 2023, 04:02:21 AM »
I think I see what Mr.Ford sees, that white element appears to me to rather SQUARE!

And it’s BETWEEN the two reddish blobs and the right edge of that white square does appear to be slightly obscuring part of the reddish blob that right and slightly higher than the left reddish blob.

That right side reddish blob is pretty much where Lovelady was when he was NEXT to Sarah Stanton ( white shirt mass blob with both hands raised to shade her face in the Altgens 6 photo).

So this white square is either a banner or flag and I’m wondering if it meant “surrender” as in a symbolic gesture like Umbrella man was supposedly suggesting “appeasement” opening the black umbrella?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2468 on: September 07, 2023, 04:08:31 AM »
I think I see what Mr.Ford sees, that white element appears to me to rather SQUARE!

And it’s BETWEEN the two reddish blobs and the right edge of that white square does appear to be slightly obscuring part of the reddish blob that right and slightly higher than the left reddish blob.

That right side reddish blob is pretty much where Lovelady was when he was NEXT to Sarah Stanton ( white shirt mass blob with both hands raised to shade her face in the Altgens 6 photo).

So this white square is either a banner or flag and I’m wondering if it meant “surrender” as in a symbolic gesture like Umbrella man was supposedly suggesting “appeasement” opening the black umbrella?

It may be a fluke that is generating an optical illusion, Mr. Mason------------the flag just chances to be positioned right in front of the area where Mr. Lovelady's white tshirt would be visible. The eye is tricked into 'reading' the white as Mr. Lovelady's tshirt. The movement of the foliage only strengthens the optical illusion: as it gets out of the way, there seems to be revealed nothing but Lovelady-in-motion, all elements of his body moving as one. The eye does not realize that the white is independent of the body, and was there BEFORE the Lovelady shirt behind it moved into position.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2469 on: September 07, 2023, 04:16:20 AM »
It is usually put forward as a discussion-ending defeater of the 'LHO in the Doorway' claim that no one said afterwards they saw LHO in the doorway.

Okey dokey. I have a question.

How many people afterwards said they saw a flag being waved energetically in the doorway? And yet it's plainly there in Towner.

Open your eyes: the collective blindness to the flag is INTIMATELY RELATED to the collective blindness to Mr. Oswald's presence. Because you can't say 'I saw a flag being waved' without risking the follow-up question, 'Who was waving it?' And it's not as though there's gonna be a bunch of people on that side of the doorway for you to pick from.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2470 on: September 07, 2023, 04:45:30 AM »
6. Mr. Oswald, like a number of others at the TSBD, played his part----------in his case, right up to and including signaling in the form of flag-waving as Pres. Kennedy was passing.

Which brings us to the famous exchange with the reporter:

REPORTER: Did you shoot the President?
Mr. OSWALD: I work in that building.
REPORTER: Were you in the building at the time?
Mr. OSWALD: Naturally, if I work in that building, yes sir.


This is presented as the other great defeater of the 'LHO in the Doorway' claim. LHO himself denied having gone outside, so it takes a special brand of crazy to claim he actually went outside!

This defeater suffered a disastrous defeat back in 2019 when it was revealed from Agent Hosty's unearthed (by Mr. Bart Kamp) 11/22 draft interrogation report that Mr. Oswald actually told Captain Fritz that he "went outside to watch P. Parade". Team Keep LHO Off Dem Steps has been playing defense ever since.

So why did Mr. Oswald say what he said to the reporter? Why did he not just repeat the claim we know he was making in interrogation: I was outside on the front steps?

Some have argued that he may have somehow misunderstood the question and its terms of reference. Others (like myself) that he reasonably took the enclosed entranceway to be part of the building, such that to be standing on the front steps was to be still technically 'in the building'.

My false-flag theory of Mr. Oswald's true loyal-footsoldier role in the events of 11/22/63, however, offers an alternative way of explaining why he said what he said to the reporter:

Mr. Oswald did not want to state in public that he had gone out front, because he did not want his flag-waving (and what followed it [the paper sack disposal]) to become publicly known. He was doing everything he humanly could to disclaim ANY involvement in the disaster. Not knowing that he was being presented to the world as a LONE NUT GUNMAN, he was trying desperately to keep his cover AND protect himself and others from a CONSPIRACY charge. Last thing he needed was TSBD witnesses coming forward and saying, 'Yeah, he was on the steps. But he did the darndest thing out there........' And so here, pressed by a reporter, he avoids all specificity as to location, even to the point of outright misdirection, in his response. He is deflecting the unwelcome question.

We see Mr. Oswald's having been on the front steps as a mark of his innocence (which of course it is). Innocence of having shot Pres. Kennedy.
For Mr. Oswald, by contrast, his having been on the front steps, and what he did there, was a giveaway as to his having played a role in what he knew was meant to be a false-flag stunt but what had turned into something far more sinister. Guilt of having been involved in the events of Dealey Plaza.

GOING IN, Mr. Oswald was willing to incriminate himself as a member of the 'pro-Castro' provocation team; AFTERWARDS, with that provocation having eventuated in an actual assassination, that voluntary self-incrimination came back to haunt him. Least worst option? Bluff his way with an "I don't know what this is all about" schtick.

He didn't shoot Pres. Kennedy; he wasn't a conspirator in the shooting of Pres. Kennedy; but he was heavily involved in a different---------non-lethal---------JFK-sanctioned----------conspiracy. All the things that had promised to make him the perfect named conspirator in the false-flag stunt (Soviet defection, pro-Castro pronouncements, behavior with the flag in the doorway, etc. etc.) now left him impossibly trapped.

The man who gave the reply to the reporter about his whereabouts at the time of the shooting was a man hopelessly, horribly compromised.

He tells Captain Fritz he simply went outside to watch the P. Parade, mentioning nothing about the flag.
When in public, and asked by a reporter, he avoids making reference to the fact that he was in the doorway.
He doesn't want 'Oswald in the doorway' becoming a public talking-point.

This, I believe, offers a coherent solution to the riddle: Why did LHO say one thing to Fritz and another to the reporter?
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 05:04:01 PM by Alan Ford »