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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2000 on: February 09, 2023, 11:04:02 AM »
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Mr. Oswald (reddish shirt) in Hughes film?

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Mr. Lovelady (plaid shirt, to east of Mr. Oswald) in Bell film?



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2000 on: February 09, 2023, 11:04:02 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2001 on: February 09, 2023, 11:13:26 AM »
This man's shirt looks either unbuttoned or mostly unbuttoned.



Here, by contrast, we are seeing enough continuous 'red shirt' to cover the width of a human frame, and with no Mr. Carl Edward Jones blocking it. The lack of any white tshirt suggests the buttoned mid-to-lower part of a shirt. (Don't be fooled by the 'face' on 'top' of the shirt in the last frame: it's foliage!)



A very few seconds separate these two pieces of footage, folks

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2002 on: February 09, 2023, 01:03:46 PM »
Now! The Towner film shows Our Man in Hughes in the same spot (just behind Mr. Carl Edward Jones) as in Hughes. Notice the position of the limo........


So! The question remains. How do we get this much continuous red shirt in Bell.............



............from this man in red?



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2003 on: February 10, 2023, 11:06:14 PM »
Here is Mr. Chris Davidson's sync of Bell & Towner:



The figure we see in Hughes right behind Mr. Carl Edward Jones is still there in Towner--------------



--------------, which means he's still there in Bell.

I don't think there can be much doubt that this is Mr. Lovelady's plaid shirt in Bell:



Given how much of this continuous plaid shirt (the full width of a man) we're seeing in Bell, I think there can be much doubt that the red-shirted figure in Hughes (standing behind Mr. Jones, with his shirt [at least largely] unbuttoned) is Mr. Lovelady:



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2004 on: February 11, 2023, 01:42:12 AM »
It may be necessary to determine if Oswald’s body outline fits there between Lovelady and the left elbow of PM, in the Weigman film clip already posted in this thread. ( the shadow anomaly)

As it appears to me, if considering that Loveladys right shoulder is in some of that darkened right side, then the horizontal distance between his right side body and the left elbow of PM may be too narrow for an Oswald body to fit without having obscured part of PMs left elbow.

But I’ll leave it to Mr.Ford or other forum member who is able to post the weigman frame with a yellow outline approximating Oswald’s body at the correct scale.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2005 on: February 11, 2023, 01:46:54 AM »
It may be necessary to determine if Oswald’s body outline fits there between Lovelady and the left elbow of PM, in the Weigman film clip already posted in this thread. ( the shadow anomaly)

As it appears to me, if considering that Loveladys right shoulder is in some of that darkened right side, then the horizontal distance between his right side body and the left elbow of PM may be too narrow for an Oswald body to fit without having obscured part of PMs left elbow.

Not if Mr. Oswald is in front of & below Mr. Lovelady

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2006 on: February 11, 2023, 03:22:38 AM »
Well Maybe if Oswald head fits in there and his shoulder line is definitely lower than Loveladys judging from the Cronkite version Altgens photo.

Just want to make Mr.Mytton can’t shoot the whole idea down like he did demonstrating with yellow lines  showing the 5’3” height of PM .

Which then prompted a whole convoluted theory and computer analysis to explain how Oswald  was standing with one foot on one step down and 1 foot on top landing in a delicately balanced pose 🙄

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2007 on: February 11, 2023, 07:01:01 AM »
More support, possibly.
Pretty sure I previously posted this (think it would have been in response to this thread) as the creation date was Aug 8, 2022.