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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1358 on: March 05, 2021, 05:16:59 PM »
Carolyn Arnold claims to have seen Patsy Oswald near the time of the motorcade.
She isn't hauled in either.

Yes, because what she has to say is disastrous to the massive official effort to put Mr Oswald up on six

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1359 on: March 05, 2021, 05:58:34 PM »
Fanciful

It's like the question, 'Why does Officer Baker, rushing to get to the top of the building, take a time-wasting detour off the second floor landing to check out a guy who happens to be on the far side of a door but then later amazingly turns out to have been Mr Prime Suspect?'

And it has the same answer: It never happened. Mr Truly put Mrs Reid up to it.

It's like the question, 'Why does Officer Baker, rushing to get to the top of the building, take a time-wasting detour off the second floor landing to check out a guy who happens to be on the far side of a door but then later amazingly turns out to have been Mr Prime Suspect?'

Why did Baker want to see what was going on behind that door?     Because he was a cop, and his suspicions were alert....

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1360 on: March 05, 2021, 06:43:42 PM »
Go and check out the Scranton interview.
There's nothing 'fanciful' about it.
You would just like to wish it away.

It's not even remotely similar.
The reason Reid is talking about such a seemingly innocent event is because it has become common knowledge amongst those trapped inside the TSBD that Oswald is being sought after.
Why else mention it?

You don't have one scrap of evidence for this assertion.
It's your own invented opinion.

The reason Reid is talking about such a seemingly innocent event is because it has become common knowledge amongst those trapped inside the TSBD that Oswald is being sought after.

That's the conclusion i've reached also .....  But To be candid...I don't know when Mrs Reid FIRST mentioned that she had encountered Lee Oswald after the shots were fired.     But I'd bet that she did in fact know his name prior to Friday 11/22/63  because it was no secret that he had lived in Russia , and he spoke Russian, and was married to a Russian woman.  It would be very unlikely that Mrs Reid wouldn't have known those facts.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1361 on: March 05, 2021, 07:51:36 PM »
Gentlemen,

First, certainly appreciate Mr. O'meara's sentiments that he does not believe the wrongly accused fired any shots that fateful afternoon. Hear! hear!

Now, getting back to whether or not Mrs. Hine's decision to move away from her desk momentarily gave Mrs. Reid an opportunity to engage the wrongly accused before Mrs. Hine ventured back to field all those incoming phone calls, let's now take Mr. Williams' following statement into account ----->

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338166/m1/1/

For Mrs. Reid to have returned inside the building immediately as she claims, here are a couple of fair questions:

*Why didn't Mr. Williams (Otis) see her as he returned to his office?

Moreover...

*Why didn't Mr. Williams see Mrs. Reid when he returned to the stairwell for a 2nd time to now head up to the 4th floor to get a better view of the assassination aftermath?

There's no question that Mrs. Reid saw the wrongly accused, she just moved the instance up a flight of stairs far removed from the small storage room on the first floor.

 "Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We had been outside
watching the parade. We saw him [Oswald] in a small storage room on
the ground floor.
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-- Texas School Book Depository VP Ochus V. Campbell, courtesy of the New York Herald

Lest we forget, Mrs. Hine's names Mrs. Reid as a member of the group she observed accompanied by Mr. Campbell's returning party upstairs ---->

Mr. BALL. Who were they?
Miss HINE. Mr. Williams, Mr. Jlolina (spelling). Miss Martha Reid, Mrs.
Reid
, Mrs. Sarah Stanton, and Mr. Campbell; that’s all I recall, sir.


Again, the challenge here for Mrs. Reid's phantom encounter w/the wrongly accused is to explain away how she didn't cross paths with Mr. Williams (not once, but twice).







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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1362 on: March 05, 2021, 08:09:39 PM »




What's on your mind, Mr. Frazier?

Trying your best to discreetly come clean sir?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1363 on: March 05, 2021, 08:25:07 PM »
Gentlemen,

First, certainly appreciate Mr. O'meara's sentiments that he does not believe the wrongly accused fired any shots that fateful afternoon. Hear! hear!

Now, getting back to whether or not Mrs. Hine's decision to move away from her desk momentarily gave Mrs. Reid an opportunity to engage the wrongly accused before Mrs. Hine ventured back to field all those incoming phone calls, let's now take Mr. Williams' following statement into account ----->

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338166/m1/1/

For Mrs. Reid to have returned inside the building immediately as she claims, here are a couple of fair questions:

*Why didn't Mr. Williams (Otis) see her as he returned to his office?

Moreover...

*Why didn't Mr. Williams see Mrs. Reid when he returned to the stairwell for a 2nd time to now head up to the 4th floor to get a better view of the assassination aftermath?

There's no question that Mrs. Reid saw the wrongly accused, she just moved the instance up a flight of stairs far removed from the small storage room on the first floor.

 "Shortly after the shooting we raced back into the building. We had been outside
watching the parade. We saw him [Oswald] in a small storage room on
the ground floor.
"
-- Texas School Book Depository VP Ochus V. Campbell, courtesy of the New York Herald

Lest we forget, Mrs. Hine's names Mrs. Reid as a member of the group she observed accompanied by Mr. Campbell's returning party upstairs ---->

Mr. BALL. Who were they?
Miss HINE. Mr. Williams, Mr. Jlolina (spelling). Miss Martha Reid, Mrs.
Reid
, Mrs. Sarah Stanton, and Mr. Campbell; that’s all I recall, sir.


Again, the challenge here for Mrs. Reid's phantom encounter w/the wrongly accused is to explain away how she didn't cross paths with Mr. Williams (not once, but twice).


There's no question that Mrs. Reid saw the wrongly accused, she just moved the instance up a flight of stairs far removed from the small storage room on the first floor.

I disagree.....I seriously doubt that Mrs Reid encountered Lee Oswald anywhere after the shots were fired.   I know that Lee told the interrogators that he returned to the first floor lunchroom, to finish his lunch after he purchased a Coke from the 2nd floor vending machine.  And I seriously doubt that he took a detour through the office area ....Though not specifically stated  Lee's  statement to the interrogators,  implies that he went directly to the first floor lunchroom before going outside.....  Depending on how much time Lee spent in the 1st floor lunchroom after he brought his coke down to eat with his lunch....It's entirely possible that Mrs Reid could have encountered Lee at the front door of the TSBD.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1364 on: March 05, 2021, 08:42:51 PM »

There's no question that Mrs. Reid saw the wrongly accused, she just moved the instance up a flight of stairs far removed from the small storage room on the first floor.

I disagree.....I seriously doubt that Mrs Reid encountered Lee Oswald anywhere after the shots were fired.   I know that Lee told the interrogators that he returned to the first floor lunchroom, to finish his lunch after he purchased a Coke from the 2nd floor vending machine.  And I seriously doubt that he took a detour through the office area ....Though not specifically stated  Lee's  statement to the interrogators,  implies that he went directly to the first floor lunchroom before going outside.....  Depending on how much time Lee spent in the 1st floor lunchroom after he brought his coke down to eat with his lunch....It's entirely possible that Mrs Reid could have encountered Lee at the front door of the TSBD.

Okay, Mr. Cakebread, fair enough. Perhaps Mr. Campbell's specific word usage describing "we" saw him in a first floor storage room meant he was only referencing other members in his party's return inside the building besides Mrs. Reid.

I'm all for your option, quote, It's entirely possible that Mrs Reid could have encountered Lee at the front door of the TSBD. Anything that puts the wrongly accused anywhere near where he said he was is okay by me.