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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #80 on: February 15, 2018, 09:40:58 PM »
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I'm only taking Tague at his word.

Did he or did he not say that he remembered a shot after he was hit?

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #81 on: February 15, 2018, 09:42:09 PM »
James Tague was a big problem to the WC.
How easy it would have been to have one non fatal shot each PREZ & GOV and then head shot as the third Tague destroys that and when his story is picked up by the AP in early summer 1964 the WC cannot ignore him

Tague was called July 23 1964..(WC on a scheduled timeline to be finished)
..and the below FBI memo (portion of pg. 3 unsigned) dated July 17th 1964
It references the photographers (Dillard & Underwood) that took the photos of the MH cover
But wait....The hit to the MH cover and turf has now turned into a hit to the curb and the "nick" cannot be found



It could be the weather....
"...it should be noted that, since the mark was observed on November 23, 1963 there had been numerous rains which could have possibly washed away such a mark and also that the area is cleaned by a street cleaning machine about once a week which would also wash away such mark..."

But on August 05 1964 Shaneyfelt was able to find a mark [yeah..."Shadyguy"]
....so the initial mark on the MH cover & turf can now become the curb.....




Shaneyfelt comes up with a series of photos that have nothing to do with the original Dillard & Underwood subject
..and the record is left with the mark on the curb that had been the ricochet that hit Tague

Once again Shaneyfelt is called back as late as Sept 1st to clarify 

Mr. Shaneyfelt.
    Yes.
    Using photographs made by Mr. Underwood and Mr. Dillard in November 1963, either the 22d or 23d, of this mark on the curb, I went to Dallas and was successful in locating a mark. Shaneyfelt Exhibit No. 29 contains the photographs used to locate the mark on the curbing on the south side of Main Street at the assassination site.
Photograph No. 1 of this exhibit is the photograph of the mark made by Mr. Underwood, the red arrow indicating the mark on the curb.
Photograph No. 2 is the photograph made by Mr. Dillard of the mark on the curb, and the red arrow again designates the mark.
Photograph No. 3 of Shaneyfelt Exhibit No. 29 is a photograph that was made by Mr. Underwood by placing his camera on the mark and pointing it toward the Texas School Book Depository Building, and he stated he did this so that the resulting photograph could be used to relocate this mark on the curb should it ever be necessary.

Mr. Redlich.
    I gather that without that photograph taken by Mr. Underwood it would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible, to have located this mark, is that correct?
Mr. Shaneyfelt.
    It would have been more difficult. Mr. Dillard's photograph actually contained some background that was of value, and we would have found it without this, but this made it much easier. Photograph No. 3, which was made by Mr. Underwood, allowed us to go immediately within a foot to a foot and a haft of, the actual mark.

Tague always knew his story was a problem and the WC had to explain his hit:
"They had to go back and rewrite the Warren Commission," Tague said. "That's where the magic bullet came from. That's the only thing they could come up with. That's the only thing they could come up with. That one bullet went through two people."

..and the bullet that hit the MH cover becomes the missed shot that ricocheted off the curb and hit Tague

Where did you copy and paste that BS from?

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #82 on: February 15, 2018, 09:44:22 PM »
Did he or did he not say that he remembered a shot after he was hit?

Did he not say that he could not and would not say definitively on which shot he was hit on?

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #83 on: February 15, 2018, 09:46:52 PM »
Did I miss something?  Who claimed it was a "direct hit from full metal jacketed bullet at about 1800 f/s"?  Wouldn't this be a matter of what was fired and from where?

Again, you are more than welcome to present your case for Tague having been hit by the first shot. Knock yourself out.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #84 on: February 15, 2018, 09:51:38 PM »
Again, you are more than welcome to present your case for Tague having been hit by the first shot. Knock yourself out.

When did I ever say that Tague was hit by the first shot?  You stated as a fact that Tague wasn't hit until the third shot and had to ignore / minimize what Tague actually said in order to do it.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2018, 10:01:26 PM »
When did I ever say that Tague was hit by the first shot?  You stated as a fact that Tague wasn't hit until the third shot and had to ignore / minimize what Tague actually said in order to do it.

What Tague said really doesn't make any difference. I'm not entirely convinced that he was even hit at all. That's something that was made obvious in my reply to Lloyd. If Tague was hit all it was by the third shot. That is based on use of the evidence. But you don't give a damn about the evidence, and the reply was not directed at you anyway.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #86 on: February 15, 2018, 10:06:53 PM »
Jesse Curry's opinion actually!!

Perhaps you can cite this so strong case that you talk about and how you know more than the DPD did?

Jesse Curry wrote a book trying to make some money from his "connection" to the tragic events of 22 November 1963.

Curry was both incompetent and grandstanding on Friday, Saturday and Sunday of the assassination weekend.

He knew well (from years of experience) that suspects are rarely "observed" by witnesses (at close distances) during the perpetration of their crimes. If Oswald had not been murdered by Jack Ruby: Curry would have been a witness for the prosecution and enjoyed the limelight. When interviewed by the press after Oswald's conviction: he would have expressed satisfaction at the jury's decision ... guilty.

If you disagree: explain what part Jesse Curry would have played in the defense's case to exonerate Oswald?
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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2018, 10:08:41 PM »
Jesse Curry wrote a book trying to make some money from his "connection" to the tragic events of 22 November 1963.

Curry was both incompetent and grandstanding on Friday, Saturday and Sunday of November 1963.

He knew well (from years of experience) that suspects are rarely "observed" by witnesses (at close distances) during the perpetration of their crimes. If Oswald had not been murdered by Jack Ruby: Curry would have been a witness for the prosecution and enjoyed the limelight. When interviewed by the press after Oswald's conviction: he would have expressed satisfaction at the jury's decision ... guilty.

If you disagree: explain what part Jesse Curry would have played in the defense's case to exonerate Oswald?

There's nothing in Curry's book that would help exonerate Oswald.