Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?

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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2019, 02:45:52 PM »
Right on, and earlier this year we saw this confused contribution by Mr. Scully addressing his pen pal Parnell as "just the facts" guy:

And from Mr. "Just the facts" himself, in case Mr. Scully's fading memory has failed to recall Parnell arriving at this "contribution":

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We're drifting away from the basic question asked in the title of this thread....    Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?

Clearly the answer is;   YES.....   Baker did not enter the investigation as a liar....   He was simply a patrolman trying to perform his duties.

But it wasn't long until he realized that his superiors ( those in control of his paycheck and career) wanted his cooperation in framing Lee Oswald. 

Baker was made aware that Lee Oswald was a dirty communist rat who had defected to Russia so he deserved being lynched....  or at least he most certainly was not deserving of  the iron  clad alibi that Baker could provide.   Baker knew very well that Lee was "DRINKING A COKE"  when he spotted him in the lunchroom, and he knew that that FACT provided the dirty commie rat with an iron clad alibi. Originally ( when he was an honest patrolman ) he said that he saw Lee "Drinking a coke " in the lunchroom .....  Later he lied and recanted his statement.

So Did Baker Lie?  There's no doubt about it....

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2019, 08:58:32 PM »

Baker was made aware that Lee Oswald was a dirty communist rat who had defected to Russia so he deserved being lynched.... 

Don't forget the Tippit murder!

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Online David Von Pein

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2019, 10:28:20 PM »
Mr Oswald, we now know, actually told Captain Fritz he had visited the second-floor lunchroom for a coke before the assassination and then went back down to the first floor to eat his lunch... and then 'went outside to watch P. parade'. Captain Fritz & co. kept these explosive claims a secret----------and the truth only came out very recently. when Agent Hosty's notes were unearthed!

The recent "Hosty's Notes" revelation doesn't come close to erasing the Second-Floor Lunchroom Encounter or exonerating Lee Harvey Oswald for President Kennedy's murder. And if Oswald had actually been "outside to watch P. Parade" when JFK was shot, then please tell me why I don't have this statement coming directly from Oswald's own lips in my extensive JFK assassination audio/video collection (which is a statement that all sensible people know most certainly would have been uttered by the accused assassin in front of the live television cameras and microphones on either November 22nd or November 23rd if that accused assassin had really been standing on the front stoop of the Book Depository at 12:30 PM CST on 11/22/63)....

"I can't possibly be the killer the police are looking for! I was standing outside drinking a Coke with my fellow employees Buell Wesley Frazier and Billy Lovelady when the President passed by my building! So how could I be the assassin?! This is nuts!!" -- Lee H. Oswald; Nov. 22 or 23, 1963

More on Lee Harvey Oswald's whereabouts at 12:30 PM on November 22, 1963....
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2019/02/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1308.html


Officer Baker encountered Mr Oswald at the front entrance to the building. He needed to know if Mr Oswald was an employee so he could show him the way to the stairs. Mr Truly then intervened and offered to escort Officer Baker.

There may have been no 'man walking away from the stairway' on the 'third or fourth floor'------------Officer Baker may have been told 'We have the assassin, he worked in the building, we need you to add him to your story'.

And then----------while Officer Baker is giving his affidavit statement based on a suspect description handed to him----------who is brought in past him only the guy he ran into at the front door!!

Does Officer Baker's affidavit note that the man in handcuffs was the man on the third or fourth floor? No.
Does Officer Baker identify Mr Oswald in a subsequent lineup as the man on the third or fourth floor? No.

Most likely Officer Baker agreed to invent an encounter with an employee by the back stairs up a few floors, but----------when he found out that the employee being accused of shooting JFK was an employee who couldn't possibly have been up on the sixth floor at the time-----------he was stunned. It would explain why he took so long to put his name to the official story!

But! If Officer Baker really did encounter a man walking away from the stairway a few floors up, it was someone involved in the assassination. Which raises the question: Why did Mr Truly vouch for him as an employee?
 
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All of the above is pure crap, of course.

It's intriguing to watch the Internet conspiracy theorists---decade after decade---invent their made-up scenarios so they can continue to pretend---year after year---that Oswald didn't fire a shot at anybody in Dallas on November 22nd. A very strange hobby, indeed.

Lots more on the Lunchroom Encounter....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-973.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/12/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1080.html

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2016/04/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1123.html

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2019, 10:41:54 PM »
Don't forget the Tippit murder!

Thank you....Yes, that was probably reason numero uno .....  Baker certainly thought that Lee had gunned down Tippit.....  and he wouldn't have provided the iron clad alibi for Lee even though he knew the truth was that Lee was drinking a coke at the time he saw him in the lunchroom.

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2019, 11:57:43 PM »
please tell me why I don't have this statement coming directly from Oswald's own lips in my extensive JFK assassination audio/video collection (~~~)

Because, Mr von Pein, the interrogations weren't recorded!  Thumb1:

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2019, 12:11:42 AM »
Thank you....Yes, that was probably reason numero uno .....  Baker certainly thought that Lee had gunned down Tippit.....  and he wouldn't have provided the iron clad alibi for Lee even though he knew the truth was that Lee was drinking a coke at the time he saw him in the lunchroom. at the front door to the building when he saw him

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2019, 12:12:28 AM »
Because, Mr von Pein [sic], the interrogations weren't recorded!  Thumb1:

Mr. Ford,

Oh, for Pete's sake! I wasn't talking about the "interrogations" of Oswald. As I clearly said, I was talking about the "live television cameras and microphones" that were being stuck in Oswald's face on multiple occasions on both Nov. 22nd and 23rd.

If Lee Harvey Oswald had really been located on the TSBD front steps when the assassination occurred, then no conspiracy theorist can possibly explain (in a reasonable fashion) why Oswald didn't shout out to the many reporters in the DPD hallways, "I was on the steps at 12:30, so I can't be JFK's killer!"

And the fact that Lee Oswald didn't make such a statement to the press in the corridors of the Dallas Police Department (when he obviously could have very easily done so, and the DPD wouldn't have been able to stop him) is one of the main reasons we can know, with nearly 100% certainty, that Lee Harvey Oswald is not "Prayer Man".
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2019, 12:21:39 AM »
Mr. Ford,

I wasn't talking about the "interrogations" of Oswald. As I clearly said, I was talking about the "live television cameras and microphones" that were being stuck in Oswald's face on multiple occasions on both Nov. 22nd and 23rd.

If Lee Harvey Oswald had really been located on the TSBD front steps when the assassination occurred, then no conspiracy theorist can possibly explain (in a reasonable fashion) why Oswald didn't shout out to the many reporters in the DPD hallways, "I was on the steps at 12:30, so I can't be JFK's killer!"

Mr von Pein, you believe the second-floor lunchroom incident involving Officer Baker and Mr Oswald and Mr Truly took place, yes?

Well, let's run with that, shall we?

What a stroke of luck for the assassin, Mr Oswald! He gets spotted just after the shooting, way way way down on the second floor.

Why didn't he shout out to the many reporters in the DPD hallways, "I was in the second-floor lunchroom the whole time, ask the cop and my boss------they saw me there right after the shooting!"?
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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2019, 12:21:48 AM »
Because, Mr von Pein, the interrogations weren't recorded!  Thumb1:

Who mentioned "interrogations"?

What we do have is Oswald saying he was in the building at the time! Oops!

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Did Roy Truly and/or Marion Baker Lie?
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2019, 12:25:16 AM »

Why didn't he shout out to the many reporters in the DPD hallways, "I was in the second-floor lunchroom the whole time, ask the cop and my boss------they saw me there right after the shooting!"?

Huh? What Oswald was doing in the minutes after the assassination is irrelevant and besides it was proved that Oswald could have made the journey in the time allowed.

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