Tippit Shooting, 1:15

[Walt Cakebread]

I maybe mistaken, but I think I remember Bill Brown having a thread many years back, in which Bill suggested the 1:15pm time was the physicians ESTIMATE of the time of death made, and that the actual time of arrival of the ambulance to the hospital emergency room was 1:18pm based on some other record

I remember that Brown argued that the ambulance couldn't have been at the hospital at 1:15 because a time stamp card of the funeral home allegedly documented the departure of the ambulance from Jefferson as having taken place at 1:18. The problem with that argument is that nobody has ever been able to produce that time stamp card and the only reference to it being made (as far as I know) is a rather vague statement of a funeral home employee to the HSCA.

In any event; let's not forget that Markham saw Tippit being shot prior to the arrival of Bowley (at 1:10) and Bowley saw the ambulance pick up Tippit just after he made his radio call. Combined, this information means that Tippit must have been shot somewhere between 1:06 and 1:10.

I believe that it was Sgt Gerald Hill who said that he left the TSBD immediately after he heard the radio report that an officer had been shot in Oak Cliff.....And that report came over the radio just after the shells were found beneath the window.   ( The shells were found at 1:06 )  Hill said that the ambulance carrying Tippit's body passed in front of them as they exited the Houston street viaduct.   I believe that it would have taken less than five minutes to drive from the TSBD to the south side of the viaduct.

[Bill Brown]

See, this is what is confusing to me, is the phrase "AT 1:15pm, pronounced dead" which logically one would read as meaning that the clock time was 1:15pm when Oswald was pronounced DOA.

That means the ambulance must have arrived at 10th and Patton about 3 minutes approx earlier at about 1:12pm which is just about right after Bowley makes a call about 1:10, which somehow gets recorded in the DPD dispatch record as 1:16pm

I maybe mistaken, but I think I remember Bill Brown having a thread many years back, in which Bill suggested the 1:15pm time was the physicians ESTIMATE of the time of death made, and that the actual time of arrival of the ambulance to the hospital emergency room was 1:18pm based on some other record

Or they are simply speaking in terms of rounding to the nearest fifteen minute interval versus being more precise.  Look at the three times mentioned in that offense report... 1:15, 1:30, 3:30.  Do you really believe all three of those events occurred at those exact times instead of the 15 minute rounding up/down?

[Bill Brown]

Correction:  autopsy permit

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Correct, the autopsy permit, not the death certificate... but where does it say what you claimed it says, that Tippit "was DOA at the hospital at 1:15"?  I think you're wrong.

[Martin Weidmann]

Or they are simply speaking in terms of rounding to the nearest fifteen minute interval versus being more precise.  Look at the three times mentioned in that offense report... 1:15, 1:30, 3:30.  Do you really believe all three of those events occurred at exact 15 minute rounding up/down?

Another speculative hit and run.....

Follow that reasoning and you either have Tippit being declared DOA at 1:15 or 1:30......

Hang on, didn't Davenport state in his report that he witnessed that they tried to revive Tippit before declaring him DOA and that at 1:30 a bullet was already being removed from Tippit's body. I guess that rules out 1:30 as DOA time, doesn't it?

[Bill Brown]

My post that you responded to said nothing about the chain of custody of the two Davis shells.

But I have a question for you.  What evidence do you have that the shells known as "the two Davis shells" were ever at the crime scene?

Doughty and Dhority.

[Bill Brown]

Markham saw the shooting.

Scoggins and the two Davis girls saw the same man seen by Markham.

Callaway and Guinyard saw the same man seen by Scoggins and the two Davis girls.

Reynolds, Patterson and Russell saw the same man seen by Callaway and Guinyard.

Therefore, witnesses "a block away from the crime scene" saw the killer.

Your assumption that they all saw the same man is unwarranted.

No, you're simply in denial.

[Martin Weidmann]

Markham saw the shooting.

Scoggins and the two Davis girls saw the same man seen by Markham.

Callaway and Guinyard saw the same man seen by Scoggins and the two Davis girls.

Reynolds, Patterson and Russell saw the same man seen by Callaway and Guinyard.

Therefore, witnesses "a block away from the crime scene" saw the killer.

No, you're simply in denial.

Or he simply accepts that eyewitness testimony (which is what you rely on) is the least unreliable evidence.