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Online Thomas Graves

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The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« on: May 26, 2019, 02:31:56 AM »
The question:

Are the three people walking across the Pergola Patio in the Towner Film:

Men?
-- 0 votes

Women? -- 7 votes

Impossible to tell [because all I can see are blobs]? -- 1 vote

The Tina Towner Film:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1303.0.html

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« Last Edit: May 28, 2019, 04:51:42 AM by Thomas Graves »

Offline John Mytton

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2019, 03:32:24 AM »
I never voted but if you are talking about the 3 women in the following gifs then yeah they are women.





And it appears that the 3 women to the left of the Stemmons Freeway sign are the same 3.



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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2019, 03:35:06 AM »
I never voted but if you are talking about the 3 women in the following gifs then yeah they are women.





And it appears that the 3 women to the left of the Stemmons Freeway sign are the same 3.



JohnM

Nice catch, John.

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2019, 09:04:56 AM »
Nice catch, John.

Hi Bill, this isn't my discovery, all I did was take the video that the Poll was designed around and made a small gif centered on the women to get a better idea of their movements.
I think this controversy is pretty much all about Iacoletti and his claim that this video is just blobs which could be anything, maybe just the wind blowing some leaves around?



Indistinct blobs that you and Doyle are Rorschaching.

Now to be fair if the above video is all we had then I would by deduction say that the woman to our far left is a woman because she is wearing a dress and jacket which wasn't a male look at the time and the woman to the far right is a woman wearing a blue scarf and that wasn't cool for a bloke but the person in the center could be guy with an atypical haircut wearing a long jacket?

Fortunately, here is a video which shows the same 3 people, walking the same direction away from the same structure and shows that they are all women.



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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2019, 09:32:58 AM »




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Click on the link, below, to see the dark brown upper garment on the gal who's wearing the white skirt. (At the very end of the GIF)
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oJAH7w2nK6c/W64xZN5PTYI/AAAAAAAACaE/VGiAC_fLrDoCNKqFjvEYTDe4pRnSSrHdgCLcBGAs/s1600/towmer.gif



-- MWT   ;)

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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2019, 11:56:53 PM »
Yes it those three women again and as you already pointed out that is Darnell chasing them, very nice catch, get with it paisan.

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2019, 09:26:07 PM »
Fortunately, here is a video which shows the same 3 people, walking the same direction away from the same structure and shows that they are all women.

But how do you know for a fact that these are the same people / filmed at the same time?  You may think it's a logical guess, but it's still a guess.

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2019, 10:36:41 PM »
But how do you know for a fact that these are the same people / filmed at the same time?  You may think it's a logical guess, but it's still a guess.

At the end of the day it comes down to making logical assumptions based on the evidence and within the context of this environment what I believe would be court accepted "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

1. Both videos show 3 people walking side by side, with virtually no one else close by.
2. Both videos show 3 people walking away from the Elm street monument.
3. Both videos show same 3 people heading the same direction.
4. Both videos show a lady on our far right wearing a light headscarf.
5. Both videos show the person in the center to have a light coloured head.
6. Both videos show the person on our far left has a dark head.
7. Both videos show that all three are wearing clothing which appears dark in shadow.





Now sure there is a possibility that after these 3 people in the far off gif left the frame they were replaced by another three people that just happened to fill in all the above criteria but we all know from our personal lives that this possibility is extremely remote, so while it may never be proven to the illusive 100% Iacoletti standard, the reality is that these three people would have to be the same three.

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2019, 11:24:30 PM »
At the end of the day it comes down to making logical assumptions based on the evidence and within the context of this environment what I believe would be court accepted "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

1. Both videos show 3 people walking side by side, with virtually no one else close by.

The Darnell clip is too tight to know whether this is true or not.  Unless you're just talking about immediately behind them.  But then the blob that is supposedly Darnell in Towner is running behind those figures.

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2. Both videos show 3 people walking away from the Elm street monument.

The Towner figures could be walking parallel to the pergola.

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3. Both videos show same 3 people heading the same direction.

Roughly the same direction.  Whether it's the same three people is what is being debated.

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4. Both videos show a lady on our far right wearing a light headscarf.

There's a blue patch in Towner that could be a headscarf.

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5. Both videos show the person in the center to have a light coloured head.

But in Towner, is it the person's head, or hair, or some kind of head covering?

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6. Both videos show the person on our far left has a dark head.

In Towner, that person is almost entirely obscured.  Where's the edges of the head?

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7. Both videos show that all three are wearing clothing which appears dark in shadow.

Well, supposedly Stella Jacob was wearing a light colored skirt.  At least according to the claim that she is also the leftmost Zapruder sign lady.

Without any knowledge about exactly when Towner was filming and when Darnell was filming this particular clip, and given the resolution of the Towner clip, it's all guess work and confirmation bias.

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2019, 11:28:50 PM »

I think we can ignore uncredible opinions at this point and assume the 3 Women are Simmons, Holt, and Jacob...

It has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt...

This means we can credibly claim Tall Woman is Calvery...

 

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