The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio

[John Iacoletti]

At the end of the day it comes down to making logical assumptions based on the evidence and within the context of this environment what I believe would be court accepted "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

1. Both videos show 3 people walking side by side, with virtually no one else close by.

The Darnell clip is too tight to know whether this is true or not.  Unless you're just talking about immediately behind them.  But then the blob that is supposedly Darnell in Towner is running behind those figures.

2. Both videos show 3 people walking away from the Elm street monument.

The Towner figures could be walking parallel to the pergola.

3. Both videos show same 3 people heading the same direction.

Roughly the same direction.  Whether it's the same three people is what is being debated.

4. Both videos show a lady on our far right wearing a light headscarf.

There's a blue patch in Towner that could be a headscarf.

5. Both videos show the person in the center to have a light coloured head.

But in Towner, is it the person's head, or hair, or some kind of head covering?

6. Both videos show the person on our far left has a dark head.

In Towner, that person is almost entirely obscured.  Where's the edges of the head?

7. Both videos show that all three are wearing clothing which appears dark in shadow.

Well, supposedly Stella Jacob was wearing a light colored skirt.  At least according to the claim that she is also the leftmost Zapruder sign lady.

Without any knowledge about exactly when Towner was filming and when Darnell was filming this particular clip, and given the resolution of the Towner clip, it's all guess work and confirmation bias.

[John Mytton]

Without any knowledge about exactly when Towner was filming and when Darnell was filming this particular clip, and given the resolution of the Towner clip, it's all guess work and confirmation bias.

Well here could be another nail in the coffin, as the three people are walking across we see a man suddenly emerge seemingly running to where the 3 people are headed. This man in what could be a suit appears to be carrying something and it looks like he has a bag over his shoulder.



James Darnell doing his job, later in the weekend.



My interpretation based on Darnell's footage is that Darnell is the running figure who sees 3 pretty sad girls and tries to move into a position where he can capture their faces. And the lady on the right is the last one to step down from something, the path?



Having another look I think Darnell is filming shaky cam style as he is running/walking from left to right and this footage is only seconds apart from Towner, too bad there isn't a fraction more Towner so we can see the scarfed lady step down. And not only that but based on his speed, Darnel would be in front of the girls when the background monument would be in about the same corresponding position.

Another observation is that in Towner the girls are walking towards the steps and as Darnell arrives you can see the shadow start to appear on the vertical surface of the top step. And if you look at the above Darnell video you can see the middle girl take a step down then as the the scarfed girl approaches she next takes the step down.





JohnM

[Steve Howsley]

Simply fantastic work JohnM 

[Thomas Graves]

Well here could be another nail in the coffin, as the three people are walking across we see a man suddenly emerge seemingly running to where the 3 people are headed. This man in what could be a suit appears to be carrying something and it looks like he has a bag over his shoulder.



James Darnell doing his job, later in the weekend.



My interpretation based on Darnell's footage is that Darnell is the running figure who sees 3 pretty sad girls and tries to move into a position where he can capture their faces. And the lady on the right is the last one to step down from something, the path?



Having another look I think Darnell is filming shaky cam style as he is running/walking from left to right and this footage is only seconds apart from Towner, too bad there isn't a fraction more Towner so we can see the scarfed lady step down. And not only that but based on his speed, Darnel would be in front of the girls when the background monument would be in about the same corresponding position.

Another observation is that in Towner the girls are walking towards the steps and as Darnell arrives you can see the shadow start to appear on the vertical surface of the top step. And if you look at the above Darnell video you can see the middle girl take a step down then as the the scarfed girl approaches she next takes the step down.





JohnM

Fwiw, I believe those two ladies on the right in the black and white photo by Cabluck are June Dishong and her unnamed work colleague.

They're visible in the Z-film, too, standing to the immediate left of the trio by the Stemmons sign comprised of Stella Mae Jacob, Gloria Holt, and light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons (aka Westbrook's "probably Carol Reed, Gloria Calvery, and me, Karen Westbrook!").

-- MWT 

PS  In a few frames of that Towner clip you can see the light blue color of the headscarf Sharon Simmons is wearing up there on the Pergola Patio.

[John Iacoletti]

"Mytton" isn't the first to suggest that the running bag man could be Darnell, and it's certainly certainly possible that he is, and that he took his footage shortly after the Towner clip, but I doubt it can ever be proven without additional info.

[Royell Storing]

"Mytton" isn't the first to suggest that the running bag man could be Darnell, and it's certainly certainly possible that he is, and that he took his footage shortly after the Towner clip, but I doubt it can ever be proven without additional info.

    I think Unger previously came up with this same Darnell ID speculation. As is usually the case, any unidentified B/W JFK Assassination footage is Immediately credited to Darnell. It is entirely possible this footage is courtesy of someone we know nothing about. Just my opinion but the picture quality of this B/W footage is far superior to what has previously been credited to Darnell.

[John Iacoletti]

1) the gal on the left in the Z-Film Trio isn't Westbrook's "probably Carol Reed," but self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob (inexplicably standing not with her Texas School Book Company colleagues as claimed in her and their FBI statements, but with South-Western Publishing Company's "Gloria Calvery" and "Me, Karen Westbrook!"), and

Tommy, not surprisingly, doesn't make a distinction between "Gloria Calver[y], there's no doubt in my mind, I remember that" and "I believe that's Carol Ann Reed".

I'm not sure what the "dark complexion" that Tommy imagines that he sees on one person tells anybody anything about who is standing next to her.