Friends, Officer Marrion Baker in his affidavit of 11/22/63 described the man he encountered "walking away from the stairway" on the "third or fourth floor" as follows:
"a white man approximately 30 years old, 5' 9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket".
In his WC testimony, he let out another detaiL
"and maybe some kind of white-looking shirt".
Young Mr Amos Euins recalled that the man he had seen at the SN window had a white or bald spot. From his WC testimony:
Mr. SPECTER. How far back did the bald spot on his head go?
Mr. EUINS. I would say about right along in here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 2 1/2 inches above where you hairline is. Is that about what you are saying?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right along in here.
(https://i.imgur.com/JzgIRq8.gif)
Are you claiming Euins' "bald spot" is centered on the top-front of the parking-lot man's head?
"Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--
looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like
he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down
and squared off and made his head look fiat in back"
The fellow in the parking lot doesn't look like he needs a haircut. But this guy ...
(https://static4.businessinsider.com/image/59f20618bcf93d1e008b4a5e-1980/ap6311220252.jpg)
Mr Euins didn't have a bald spot, but what we see in these Hughes frames matches Mr Euins' description very nicely, thank you very much! Thumb1:
Mr. SPECTER. How far back did the bald spot on his head go?
Mr. EUINS. I would say about right along in here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 2 1/2 inches above where you hairline is. Is that about what you are saying?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right along in here.
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Gosh, Mr Organ, you're right. He looked like a hippie that day!
(https://i.imgur.com/C7zb5M0.jpg)
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Now! While we await those Bell frames...
It seems this issue was quite a hot topic back in the day, but was killed dead by the apparent identification of 'Tan Jacket Man' in the Bronson film. However, now that we know that identification was in fact a bad misidentification, we are free to resurrect some of the striking observations made back then about this man.
Not least!
The frequency with which the Tippit murder witnesses described 'Oswald' as wearing a tan jacket.
Also!
This from Mr Domingo Benavides:
Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.
Cf---------------
(https://i.imgur.com/NcQa5A1.gif)
= another major box ticked.
Could this man be both the man at the SN window and the Tippit killer?
We await those Bell frames with great interest! Thumb1:
So, Euins' "bald spot" could be referring to a receding hairline. I'll go along with that.
:D
"Mr. EUINS. I seen a bald spot on this man's head, trying to look out the window. He had a bald spot on his head. I was looking at the bald spot."
The three things to be noted here, Mr Organ, are
a) the meaning of the word spot
b) the meaning of the word on
c) the fact that Mr Euins found the white spot on the man's head such a memorable feature of the man's head.
What positively leaps out at the eye from the top of this man's head is the white spot which is on it:
(https://i.imgur.com/3Ly8PrR.gif)
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:D
"Mr. EUINS. I seen a bald spot on this man's head, trying to look out the window. He had a bald spot on his head. I was looking at the bald spot."
The three things to be noted here, Mr Organ, are
a) the meaning of the word spot
b) the meaning of the word on
c) the fact that Mr Euins found the white spot on the man's head such a memorable feature of the man's head.
What positively leaps out at the eye from the top of this man's head is the white spot which is on it:
(https://i.imgur.com/3Ly8PrR.gif)
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So Euins saw the man leaning out the window something like this ...
(https://kstp.com/kstpImages/repository/2018-01/800GraduateMinneapolisHotelStandoff-StarTribuneReneeJonesSchneider.jpg)
You're right, that guy checked all the boxes including the extremely distinctive white spot. Does anyone refer to a bald spot as a "white" spot? Doubt it. I would give Mr. Euins the BOTD that he meant "bald" spot if there wasn't a guy with an actual white spot on his head who fit Euins' description to a tee.
I'm no photo analyst but .... Can you explain how the man with his back to the camera shortens his neck from a long slender "pencil neck" to a short neck as he turns around toward the camera?
I have long thought that "pencil neck" was /is Lee Oswald who said that he stood and watched the activity in the railroad yard for a while before deciding to go to the movies....
How does the man reduce the length of his neck?Easy...he is a turtle ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/NcQa5A1.gif)
Easy...he is a turtle ;)
So I will call him Turtle Man. How does Jerry Organ get Turtle Man transferred who was in the railroad yard--- over to the Tippit shooting and to the Benavides description? [Reply #3]
Easy...he is a turtle ;)
So I will call him Turtle Man. How does Jerry Organ get Turtle Man transferred who was in the railroad yard--- over to the Tippit shooting and to the Benavides description? [Reply #3]
Friends, Officer Marrion Baker in his affidavit of 11/22/63 described the man he encountered "walking away from the stairway" on the "third or fourth floor" as follows:
"a white man approximately 30 years old, 5' 9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket".
In his WC testimony, he let out another detaiL
"and maybe some kind of white-looking shirt".
Young Mr Amos Euins recalled that the man he had seen at the SN window had a white or bald spot. From his WC testimony:
Mr. SPECTER. How far back did the bald spot on his head go?
Mr. EUINS. I would say about right along in here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 2 1/2 inches above where you hairline is. Is that about what you are saying?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right along in here.
Deputy Roger Craig recalled seeing a man--------whom he later identified as Mr Oswald----------running down the lawn and getting into a Rambler several minutes after the assassination. Here's how he described him (FBI report 11/25/63):
"White male, height 5'9", weight 140 pounds, build slender, hair sandy, dress - brown shirt, blue trousers."
Doesn't this man caught on film by Mr Hughes in the railroad yards shortly after the assassination tick a remarkable number of boxes?
(https://i.imgur.com/JzgIRq8.gif)
Now! It has been claimed that he was caught on film by Mr Bronson standing on the sidewalk on Houston St for the P. parade:
(https://i.imgur.com/6MLSaQs.jpg)
But! This is a false identification:
(https://i.imgur.com/q5a0y9J.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yRYoeoW.jpg)
On an old thread on the Education Forum, there is also talk of some Bell frames showing a man some identified with Our Man In Hughes. Unfortunately the jpg links are dead! :'(
Can anyone here point us to the Bell frames in question so we can take a good look?
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How about a Time Stamp for that snippet along with specifically Who filmed it? That might Stop a lot of this ongoing speculation.
Was it the practice in 1963 to put a glop of Brylcreem on the top of your head and not comb it through your hair?
(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/Bell2.gif)
Bell frames, anyone??
Thank you, Mr Davidson! Thumb1:
Yes, one can see a tan jacket, but this is very far from a lock in terms of an ID as Tan Jacket Man...
Is there any footage of this guy's face??
Is he wearing a hat like the man in Hughes is wearing?
Conversely, is he carrying an umbrella like the Tan Jacket Man in the parking lot might be holding in his left hand?
-- MWT ;)
However, in the background, what is Bow-Tie Man doing walking with his left arm up?Has a small camera? Taking a picture? If so...where could that picture be?
His left hand seems to be in his trousers pocket here.....
(https://i.imgur.com/jROO99f.jpg)
Has a small camera? Taking a picture? If so...where could that picture be?
Nope, if you watch the film in slow motion, you can see he's clutching something dark-colored, maybe the curved handle of an umbrella.
-- MWT ;)
Nope, if you watch the film in slow motion, you can see he's clutching something dark-colored, maybe the curved handle of an umbrella.
-- MWT ;)
Mr Davidson put a longer gif together back in 2011:
(https://i.imgur.com/5K8VOUC.gif)
The thread in question (on the Education Forum) was started by Mr Thomas Graves who argued that "Tan Jacket Man, as he turns around and starts walking, hands something to the blue-coated man".
| (https://i.imgur.com/JzgIRq8.gif) | (https://i.imgur.com/jROO99f.jpg) |
Friends, Officer Marrion Baker in his affidavit of 11/22/63 described the man he encountered "walking away from the stairway" on the "third or fourth floor" as follows:
"a white man approximately 30 years old, 5' 9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket".
(https://fisher.osu.edu/blogs/leadreadtoday/files/2018/11/barking-up-the-wrong-tree-idiom-vector-id153988291-900x400.jpg)
Truly supports the lunchroom encounter.
Mr. TRULY. I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunch-room facing Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him?
Mr. TRULY. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside he was just inside the lunchroom door.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Oswald tells Fritz that he encountered a cop in the lunchroom.
Mr. BALL. At that time didn't you know that one of your officers, Baker, had seen Oswald on the second floor?
Mr. FRITZ. They told me about that down at the bookstore; I believe Mr. Truly or someone told me about it, told me they had met him--I think he told me, person who told me about, I believe told me that they met him on the stairway, but our investigation shows that he actually saw him in a lunchroom, a little lunchroom where they were eating, and he held his gun on this man and Mr. Truly told him that he worked there, and the officer let him go.
Mr. BALL. Did you question Oswald about that?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I asked him about that and he knew that the officer stopped him all right.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he was doing in the lunchroom?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.
Holmes remembers something about a coke and recalls Oswald telling him how he was stopped by a cop but Truly said he was an employee.
Mr. HOLMES. He said when lunchtime came he was working in one of the upper floors with a Negro.
The Negro said, "Come on and let's eat lunch together."
Apparently both of them having a sack lunch. And he said, "You go ahead, send the elevator back up to me and I will come down just as soon as I am finished."
And he didn't say what he was doing. There was a commotion outside, which he later rushed downstairs to go out to see what was going on. He didn't say whether he took the stairs down. He didn't say whether he took the elevator down.
But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved.
He mentioned something about a coke. But a police officer asked him who he was, and just as he started to identify himself, his superintendent came up and said, "He is one of our men." And the policeman said, "Well, you step aside for a little bit."
Then another man rushed in past him as he started out the door, in this vestibule part of it, and flashed some kind of credential and he said, "Where is your telephone, where is your telephone, and said I am so and so, where is your telephone."
And he said, "I didn't look at the credential. I don't know who he said he was, and I just pointed to the phone and said, 'there it is,' and went on out the door."
JohnM
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.
Thank you for posting what Fritz said..... I'm sure you know that LBJ's "Special Committee" desperately tried to expunge the "Drinking a coke" from Marrion Baker's affidavit because if Lee had already bought the coke when Baker encountered him then Lee couldn't possibly have been at the SE corner window on the sixth floor at the time JFK was murdered. The reason: It would have taken Lee about thirty seconds to get the coins from his pocket , put them in the machine, and then have the machine deliver his coke..... So, if Lee already had the coke in his hand, then there simply wasn't enough time for Lee to have been on the sixth floor and traveled to the lunchroom, when Baker encountered him there.
As is usually the case, the intent here is False Time Stamping. Both Lovelady and Shelley Testified they went across the Elm Ext and stood on that island for 2-3 minutes Prior to going down the Elm Ext to the edge of the railroad yard. Lovelady said he looked back and saw Officer Baker running toward the TSBD. This puts Baker entering the TSBD roughly 2-3 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot vs the 45 seconds or whatever hogwash the WC and Hargis agreed to. The False time stamping of assassination images is perpetuated with testimony such as Officer Baker's. This False Time Stamping would include what we are told is the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass as seen on the Wiegman Film. The Time Stamping has been intentionally Manipulated roughly 1-3 minutes.
LBJ's cover up committee were forced to work with the photos and films.... And Marrion Baker was filmed running full stride to the TSBD immediately after the shots were fired. The WC was bound to work within the parameters of the various witness accounts.
Sure, you have footage of Baker running toward the TSBD. NOBODY knows how much time elapsed Before Baker did this. Lovelady and Shelley both gave WC Testimony of 2-3 minutes passing before they went down the Elm Ext. At this same time there is footage of Baker running toward the TSBD. Why do you think Wiegman, Darnell, etc bailed out of their camera cars? They got tired of waiting for the JFK Motorcade and the camera cars they were sitting inside to turn the corner and proceed down Elm St. Do you really believe that Wiegman could run down Elm St, run Up the Knoll, Film the Alleged Hester's, Run Across the Knoll, Run Down the Knoll, film the Newman Family, Film Doris Mumford, and still be in Front of his camera car #1 as it headed down Elm St in 30 seconds? It would take 10 seconds tops for a car to turn the corner onto Elm and reach the Light Pole that Wiegman was standing/filming at the bottom of the Knoll when he finished running around. It is Obvious the accepted Time Lines are Wrong. There is flat-out Missing Time involved. Roughly 1-3 minutes.
You can believe what ever floats yer boat.... I believe that LBJ's cover up committee would never have pushed the impossible timeline scenario if they hadn't been compelled to use it, because there was just too much evidence that forced them into working with that evidence.
Why do you think for roughly 40 years they had people believing the Wiegman Film was filmed "continuously"? Time Stamping Issues
That was something the Commission knew about and officially pushed?
Or some minor incidental thing in the ordinary course-of-events that just happened?
As is usually the case, the intent here is False Time Stamping. Both Lovelady and Shelley Testified they went across the Elm Ext and stood on that island for 2-3 minutes Prior to going down the Elm Ext to the edge of the railroad yard. Lovelady said he looked back and saw Officer Baker running toward the TSBD. This puts Baker entering the TSBD roughly 2-3 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot vs the 45 seconds or whatever hogwash the WC and Hargis agreed to. The False time stamping of assassination images is perpetuated with testimony such as Officer Baker's. This False Time Stamping would include what we are told is the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass as seen on the Wiegman Film. The Time Stamping has been intentionally Manipulated roughly 1-3 minutes.
Royell,
Going from memory here, but are there any activities going on down on Elm Street in Couch-Darnell that can be synchronized or "time stamped" with known events according to other photos and films?
Running photographers, people lying on the ground, disappearing vehicles, that sort of thing?
-- MWT ;)
With regard to Darnell, there is exceptionally little footage of his showing what was happening on Elm St. As for Couch, he did Not get his film rolling until his camera car #3 had made the turn and was headed down Elm St. And remember, the Lovelady & Shelley WC testimonies corroborate their heading down the Elm St extension 2-3 minutes AFTER the Kill Shot = a Time Stamp. THIS Testimony Time Stamps the footage showing Lovelady and Shelley going down the Elm Ext as being 2-3 Minutes AFTER the Kill Shot. This same 2-3 minute Time Stamping also applies to Officer Baker being filmed running toward the TSBD. Incidentally, Lovelady testified as seeing Baker running toward the TSBD as he and Shelley were going down the Elm Ext.
Royell,
As you know, Gerda Dunckel synchronized the Couch and Darnell clips into one coherent GIF.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22038-gerda-dunckels-synchronized-couch-and-darnell-clips/?tab=comments#comment-307308
Are you saying this Couch-Darnell GIF was filmed about two minutes after the assassination?
Did the motorcycle policemen stop and wait for a couple of minutes with the camera cars?
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/niteprowler147/Big_Couch.gif
Isn't that Frank Cancellare racing down the grassy slope to photograph the Newman family lying on the ground?
We can see Cancellare photographing the Newmans in this photo:
https://jfkassassinationfiles.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/grant-1-tdid-cancellare-in-it.jpg
As for the other photographers "caught" running and kinda standing around in Couch, this fine website by Denis Morissette might help:
https://jfkassassinationfiles.wordpress.com/2015/08/22/professional-cameramen-and-photographers-in-dealey-plaza/
Motorcycle officer Clyde A. Haygood was riding right behind Marion Baker and was "just approaching Houston Street on Main Street" when he heard the shots ring out. When he made the turn at Houston and Elm, he saw people lying on the grass and pointing towards the railway yard, so he rode down Elm Street to approximately where JFK had been hit, and ended up struggling to park his bike by the curb after he'd evidently tried to jump it.
Isn't that Haygood, passing Couch's camera car on the left and then passing in front of camera car #2 to the right and heading down Elm Street to that spot?
(Do you see Haygood's motorcycle already parked at the curb down on Elm Street? I don't.)
If so, do you really think it took him a minute or two, from the time of the fatal head shot, to pass Couch's car?
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/haygood.htm
-- MWT ;)
Everything you reference does Not provide an actual Time Stamp. I believe that the middle aged Wiegman is a pretty good stop watch. He and the other photog's jumped out of their camera cars because they felt that on foot they could move faster than their camera cars were moving/inching along. Wiegman jumped out of his camera car #1 as it was turning onto Elm. He ran down Elm, STOPPED to film the Comm. Car and the LBJ SS car in front of him, he then moved UP the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Alleged Hester's, moved Across the knoll, moved Down the knoll, STOPPED and filmed the Newman Family, and somehow was STILL in front of his camera car which had Not even reached the Stemmons Sign by then. How long do you believe it took the middle aged Wiegman to do ALL of this? Plus, Couch was inside Camera Car #3 which was 2 cars behind Wiegman's car. I bring up the Couch camera car #3 due to both Couch and Darnell being inside this car that was trailing behind the slow moving Wiegman camera car. It is obvious that these camera cars and everything behind them were either Not moving or moving at an absolute crawl.
Bald spot man (BSM) appears to have his left hand out of his pocket and as he turns he looks down at whatever the blue coat guy (BCG) is holding (briefcase?) and either drops something into whatever the BCG is holding or just puts his left hand directly in his pocket. He definitely is looking at whatever the BCG is holding and the BCG responds by looking away. It does look suspicious but it's meaningless unless it can be established that this was Euins' BSM. If there was a transfer it was because BSM needed to ditch evidence and BCG was less likely to be searched.
(https://i.imgur.com/JzgIRq8.gif)
Excellent analysis, Mr Trojan! Thumb1:
Royell,
Do you really think it took Clyde Haygood two to three minutes to ride his motorcycle from where he was when he heard the first shot ("just approaching Houston Street on Main Street") to the turn at Houston and Elm, or that he waited politely with the camera cars for however long the were stopped there?
Did he say anything about stopping in his Warren Commission testimony?
-- MWT ;)
Based on the expertise displayed by Officer Haygood as he Dumped his motorcycle at the Elm Curb and then Struggled to bring the motorcycle upright, I could easily envision him reacting slowly to the mayhem unfolding before his eyes.
Royell,
Slowly, huh?
To make Haygood (who was chosen to be one of only four motorcycle policemen escorting the President of the United States' motorcade) "fit" into you ridiculous"theory," it took him close to three minutes to ride his motorcycle from near the intersection of Main and Houston to the Elm Street Curve, about seventy yards away.
LOL
-- MWT ;)
Haygood was actually positioned all the way back by Press Bus #1. There was also Far more than "Only four motorcycle policemen escorting the POTUS motorcade.." Your info in this area is lacking.
In his WC testimony, Haygood said he was just approaching Houston Street on Main Street when he heard the first shot ring out.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/haygood.htm
Regardless, how far from the Elm Street Curve do you think Press Bus # 1 and Haygood were at that time?
ADVANCE CAR
PILOT CAR
LEAD CAR
PRESIDENTIAL LIMOUSINE
PRESIDENTIAL SECRET SERVICE FOLLOW-UP CAR
VICE PRESIDENTIAL CAR
VICE PRESIDENTIAL SECRET SERVICE FOLLOW-UP CAR
MAYOR'S CAR
NATIONAL PRESS POOL CAR
CAMERA CAR #1
CAMERA CAR #2
CAMERA CAR #3
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #1
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #2
CONGRESSMAN'S CAR #3
VIP CAR
WHITE HOUSE PRESS BUS #1
LOCAL PRESS POOL CAR
WHITE HOUSE PRESS BUS #2
WASHINGTON PRESS ON TRIP (WHICH PRESS BUS ON
UNKNOWN)
EXTRA CAR #1
WESTERN UNION CAR
WHITE HOUSE SIGNAL CORPS CAR
EXTRA CAR #2
OFFICIAL PARTY BUS
REAR POLICE CAR
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Motorcade%20Route/Item%2015.pdf
-- MWT ;)
Guess you Now want to drop Your claiming there were Only 4 motorcycle cops in the JFK Motorcade? This is progress. Obviously, Haygood was Still on Main St. That is WAY BEHIND the JFK Limo.
Royell,
For purposes of our conversation, it doesn't matter how far Hayood was from JFK's limousine when the first shot rang out, but how far he was from Mal Couch's "parked" camera car # 3 he was.
Why?
Because we know by watching the Couch-Darnell synchronized GIF that two characters who look like Lovelady and Shelly were "caught" walking down Elm Street Extension in Darnell just a couple of seconds before Haygood passes Couch's camera car # 3 in his part of the GIF.
Regardless, how far is WAY BEHIND?
You don't know?
There were only four cars between camera car # 3 and press bus # 1, close to which Haygood was riding during the motorcade before all hell broke loose.
Was Haygood so far up Main Street with press bus # 1 when the shots rang out that it took him three minutes to ride his highly-manueverable motorcycle to the Elm Street Curve?
LOL
-- MWT
PS Do you think DCM and TUM sat on the curb for three minutes?
Do you think the Newman family lay on the grass for three minutes?
Do you think it took Mark Bell three minutes to climb down from the pedestal he was on by the reflecting pool and walk a few few closer to the infield grass and start filming again?
Get it right. It was 2-3 minutes. Why not just boil it down to 1 simple question? Do I think the middle aged Wiegman took 2-3 minutes to navigate the obstacle course he went through? Yes I do.
Royell, what is your timestamp for this photo?
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y05qSzPM/haywood-on-bike.jpg)
(http://the-puzzle-palace.com/fig4.jpg)
Royell, what is your timestamp for this photo?
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y05qSzPM/haywood-on-bike.jpg)
(http://the-puzzle-palace.com/fig4.jpg)
About 30 seconds.
-- MWT ;)
Review the Officer Hargis WC Testimony and view the Z/Wiegman Films. It took Hargis 30 seconds to bring his motorcycle to a Stop and simply get cross Elm St.
Royell,
Who is the motorcycle policeman leading the travelling-down-Elm camera cars in Wiegman right after he's filmed Bill Newman and son lying on the grass?
-- MWT ;)
Roughly 2 minutes give or take after the Kill Shot.
I try to help you out and you want to play games. Pass
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Thanks, that kills the theory that hordes of people ran immediately up the Knoll!
Btw I personally believe that the photo was taken about 30-45 seconds later but whatever, you're the self proclaimed expert!
And another question, before I posted that image your guess was 2-3 minutes, what happened?
JohnM
Royell,
Why so defensive?
Do you know the name of that motorcycle policeman?
I asked a simple honest question.
-- MWT ;)
Since when does "roughly 2 minutes give or take" Not fall within 2-3 minutes? Both Hargis and Wiegman took longer than your long range 45 seconds to physically do ALL they claimed. Flattery will get you nowhere with me.
Since when does "roughly 2 minutes give or take" Not fall within 2-3 minutes?
Both Hargis and Wiegman took longer than your long range 45 seconds to physically do ALL they claimed
Flattery will get you nowhere with me.
No worries in one of your first posts you seemed to be sure the time was as long as 3 minutes, now due to the fact that the posted photo shatters your timeline your speculation shrinks to 2 minutes give or take, hilarious.
Really?
But on the other hand sarcasm goes right over your head.
JohnM
Once again you simply misunderstood. No big deal if you want to take back that compliment. I would guess you are getting lambasted back stage. Someday, maybe you will have the courage to stand alone
Once again you simply misunderstood.
No big deal if you want to take back that compliment.
I would guess you are getting lambasted back stage.
Someday, maybe you will have the courage to stand alone
There's two glaring errors right there, firstly I have never misunderstood, and secondly I fully understand your flexibility.
I said you were "a self proclaimed expert" and if you interpret that as a compliment then who am I to argue.
That's a bad guess.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/a1/1e/9aa11e3f86a4f8c4d4b18a5bfab76547.png)
JohnM
Friends, while the usual suspects are playing their favorite game of Let's Take This Thread Wildly Off-Topic, we might consider the question of whether Tan Jacket Man is holding anything in his left hand in the early Hughes frames:
(https://i.imgur.com/JzgIRq8.gif)
If that's simply his shadow-darkened left hand we're seeing, then
----------------Tan Jacket Man is not the man shown walking across the south lawn in the Bell frames Thumb1:
If that's not his left hand and he's holding some dark object in it, then
----------------it's either small enough to fit in his trousers pocket:
(https://i.imgur.com/jROO99f.jpg)
----------------or he's about to pass it off to the man in blue
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. . .
Tom,
Are you suggesting I should still be advocating for Tan Jacket Man's surreptitiously handing off something used in the assassination to another man in the parking lot?
Was it Chris Davidson or Robin Unger who pointed out at the EF that the object in his left hand appeared to be curved, not unlike that of an umbrella handle?
Speaking of diversions, what could be more offputing than your interminable seventeen degrees-of-separation novellas?
-- MWT ;)
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=WUBRINY-1&search=devine%20and%20coit
1. WUBRINY-1
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and Coit’s surviving fraternity roommates from 1944 to 48 still find time to visit with Barbara Coit.
Coit enlisted in the Naval Radio Training Pro- gram.
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Offputing or not, my approach achieves actual results. Unlike you, if I discerned my methods were unproductive, I would adjust my approach. You smear me much less creatively than Douglas Horne did, thank you for that. Another example of my research results, the discovery that WUBRINY-1 just happened to be, from Sept., 1944, one of sixteen housemates of Garrison "Garry" Coit, future CIA handler of Priscilla Johnson.:
Weeks ago, I asked Alan Ford to post examples of the actual "fruits" of his research pursuits....
Offputing or not, my approach achieves actual results. Unlike you, if I discerned my methods were unproductive, I would adjust my approach. You smear me much less creatively than Douglas Horne did, thank you for that. Another example of my research results, the discovery that WUBRINY-1 just happened to be, from Sept., 1944, one of sixteen housemates of Garrison "Garry" Coit, future CIA handler of Priscilla Johnson.:
Weeks ago, I asked Alan Ford to post examples of the actual "fruits" of his research pursuits....
SCULLY - I appreciate the effort you put into all of your research. Your Now electing to go out of your way to run down Ford smacks of Jealousy. Though this is common in the JFK research community, try letting Your work speak for itself and put the knives away. Your current conduct does nothing but diminish a standing you have worked hard to achieve.
Reading through the old thread on Tan Jacket Man on the Education Forum was an instructive experience on two counts:
a) I learned lots about the Tan Jacket Man issue! Thumb1:
b) I saw the comedy horror show that transpires when Mr Scully is given moderator powers on a research forum... Sadly, he hasn't changed since then------still the same ridiculous narcissism. On the bright side-------------he's not moderator of this forum! Thumb1:
Alan,
Uhh, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why didn't you read that EF thread about Tan Jacket Man before you started posting about him here?
-- MWT ;)
Because I didn't know about it, Mr Graves-----------I only came across the Hughes gif while browsing through the 'Gerda Dunckel' section of Mr Unger's outstanding photographs gallery and it intrigued me!
Interesting things are happening on that Education Forum thread, but the discussion dies out due to the apparent IDing of 'Tan Jacket Man' on Houston St. in the Bronson film. Now that we know the man in Bronson was not 'Tan Jacket Man', ...
Now! You posit that Tan Jacket Man is clutching the handle of an umbrella, yes? If that is the case, why do we see none of his white-skinned hand/fingers?
(https://i.imgur.com/Qod8nEU.jpg)
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Alan,
‐------------------------------------ You seem to be obsessed with that particular frame !!!!!!!
Do you still think he has his hand in his pocket while he's turning ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
-------------------------------- If not, do you think he's holding something in that hand ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
--------------------------------- If so, what do you think it is ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Now !!!!!!!
Friends ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
-- MWT ;)
Are you ok, Mr Graves? Is this the kind of manic behavior that got you banned from the Education Forum?
Now! That particular frame is important simply because it's the only frame after the man's turn in which we get an unobstructed view of his left arm Thumb1:
(https://i.imgur.com/nA4OnSZ.jpg)
I never believed he had his left hand in his pocket while turning, silly! :D
Is he holding something in that left hand as he's turning? I don't know, that's what I'm trying to establish...
(https://i.imgur.com/Wk9NqeD.jpg)
I think his left hand is in his (left!) pocket in the final frame (on the right here):
(https://i.imgur.com/lRHv1Fx.jpg)
You--------------on the other hand--------------think he's holding an umbrella as he turns and is still holding (or "clutching") it by the handle in this final frame. This is clearly because you want him to be the man in Bell, who is carrying something.
But! You haven't explained the fact that we don't see any of his hand in this final frame:
(https://i.imgur.com/nA4OnSZ.jpg)
Is this because you don't have an explanation?
And let me remind you that it was a highly respected JFK researcher at the EF who posited that the dude in the parking lot was grasping the curved, dark-colored handle of an umbrella in his left hand, not I.
Didn't you notice that when you read that EF thread for the first time in your life a couple of days ago?
-- MWT ;)
I did, and it struck me as singularly unconvincing! Which is why I was hoping you---------------seeing as this is the solution you have been offering in this thread--------------might be able to address the problem of no skin flesh from the man's left hand being visible in that final frame:
(https://i.imgur.com/lRHv1Fx.jpg)
Can you?
----------------- Alan!
--------------------------- The lowest part of his "sleeve" is a different color from the rest of his sleeve (and is very nearly the same color as his nose) because it's actually his wrist and upper part of his fingers. If you look closely I believe you'll notice the knuckles on two or three fingers that are wrapped around the object !!!!!!!!!!!
Or !!!!!!! Maybe you're right, and there's nothing in his hand at this point because dirty KGB or DGI agent that he is, he's already passed off that sabot clip to his Ruskie or Cuban accomplice !!!!!!!
-- MWT ;)
Brian,
How long did it take this dirty rotten Ruskie or pro-Castro Cuban to be spotted making The Big Handoff (if that's what it is)?
And on the Internet, at that !!!!!!!
D'oh
-- MWT ;)
It is inconsistent to have someone firing a rifle over a fence where he/they might be spotted at any moment, and then covertly be indulging in some sort of slight-of-hand After everything has already gone down.
Royell, we will have to agree to disagree. As an enthusiastic Trump supporter, who are you to lecture anyone about humility? Does it escape your discernment that you are attracted to Trump's pathological narcisistic, personality disorder?
(~~~)
I've been given a gift, I am eager to share it.
You're obviously not aware of the layout of Dealey Plaza, you can't hide behind a fence which is out in the open. And besides your Lone Patsy is behind the President and you want a sniper out in front, Hahaha! Wouldn't it be far more logical for any conspirators to have a dozen snipers in the buildings behind?
(http://www.jfklancer.com/dallas01/dealey.gif)
JohnM
JOHN - Here I am casting doubt on a conspiracy issue, and You knee jerk into trying to validate it? Take a step back, take a Deep Breath, and take a real good look at yourself. You are showing signs of Storing Derangement Syndrome.
Sorry if you took offence, but having any sniper in front when you are trying to set up a sniper from behind is illogical.
Storing, do you believe there was a sniper in any position other than behind?
JohnM
John,
What does the Grassy Knoll's fence have to do with it?
Doesn't Storing's buddy Alan Ford want Parking Lot Tan Jacket Man to be in the Sixth Floor window during the assassination, showing his length of pipe and bald spot (or whatever) to Amos Euins, down below, and spotted by Officer Baker on the third or fourth floor a few seconds after the assassination?
-- MWT ;)
C'mon Tom stop this constant As I was walking a' alane, I heard twa corbies makin' a mane. The tane untae the tither did say, Whaur sail we gang and dine the day, O. Whaur sail we gang and dine the day? It's in ahint yon auld fail dyke I wot there lies a new slain knight; And naebody kens that he lies there But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair, O. But his hawk and his hound, and his lady fair. His hound is to the hunting gane His hawk to fetch the wild-fowl hame, His lady ta'en anither mate, So we may mak' our dinner swate, O. So we may mak' our dinner swate. Ye'll sit on his white hause-bane, And I'll pike oot his bonny blue e'en Wi' ae lock o' his gowden hair We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare, O. We'll theek oor nest when it grows bare. There's mony a ane for him maks mane But nane sail ken whaur he is gane O'er his white banes when they are bare The wind sail blaw for evermair, O. The wind sail blaw for evermair.'ing, if the Forums contents don't satisfy your hoity-toity requirements, then go away!
JohnM
Happy to report that the old thread on 'Tan Jacket Man' over on the Education Forum has just been reopened after 7 years------------this time without Mr Scully's intrusive self-obsessed whinging being a feature! Thumb1:
Who was Lt. William L. Mitchell ? And what ... - Mary's Mosaic
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Author Peter Janney. ... After reviewing the material pertaining to Lt. William L. Mitchell for more than eight years, Peabody Award-winning ... Roger Charles (Ret.) ...
John,
What does the Grassy Knoll's fence have to do with it?
Doesn't Storing's buddy Alan Ford want Parking Lot Tan Jacket Man to be in the Sixth Floor window during the assassination, showing his length of pipe and bald spot (or whatever) to Amos Euins, down below, and spotted by Officer Baker on the third or fourth floor a few seconds after the assassination?
-- MWT ;)
The Baker time stamp is being called into question due to: (1) The Lovelady and Shelley WC Testimony of their going down the Elm Ext 2-3 Minutes AFTER the Kill Shot, and (2) the Darnell Film showing Camera Car #2 at a Dead Stop per Hackerott's examination of the Darnell Film Footage at the Sixth Floor Museum.
Misleading readers again, Alan? You omitted the fact that the only thing posted in that thread that actually developed into anything meamingful, actionable, or in any way actually informative, happened to be the original research details I posted in that thread in August, 2012. My point in posting there was to contrast the lack of substance...the obviously, astronomically low odds of "Tan Jacket Man," focus ever resolving anything, compared to the usefulness of the details I posted.
Indeed, less than three weeks after I posted in that "tanned" thread you are now gushingly approving of, my original research results (for the first time anywhere) Author Peter Janney was pounding on the door of the actually not missing "bogeyman" of PhD (Princeton educated, doctor of psychology ) Peter Janney's fevered imagination, demanding that the poor man read his fiction misrepresented as factual "game changer," and Janney's pal Douglas Horne was crapping all over himself attacking me for writing a factual review critical of Janney's premise about William L. Mitchell because he, Horne had no factual rebuttal to my well supported research details.
You are resorting to the same tactics against me personally. It's old, deliberately misleading, shallow, and ineffective. As our Mr. Trump currently, if you had something better than attacking in response to valid criticism, he would, and you would.
This is what having class looks like Alan, just an example of a character building tip for future reference...:
I do not expect to influence you, only to provide readers a comparison of who you are, who I am, what you and I have actually contributed, and what the reaction to the research contributions of either of us, by others of some stature has actually been. We are what we post. The "Peter Jannyesque" unrealistic nature of what you emphasize or otherwise find interesting was summed up accurately todat in a recent post on this thread by Tom Graves, ironically the author of the "Tan Jacket Man" thread that stalled back in 2012.
(http://jfkforum.com/images/JanneyRogerCharles.jpg)
The camera cars being at a DEAD STOP impacts When the camera men jumped out of those cars and Began their filming and traveling on foot down Elm St and across/Up the Knoll. There has always been a concerted effort claiming the Motorcade NEVER came to a complete STOP. We Now Know this is baloney. The question Now is how long was the Motorcade stopped and how long it took for cameramen to bail out of their STOPPED cars. The revelation that the Motorcade came to a complete STOP, calls into question All Time Stamping.
Royell,
I started believing some time ago that the camera cars came to a complete stop.
For about 20 seconds.
The stop, that is.
-- MWT ;)
The question after learning that indeed the Motorcade did STOP, is why has this been hidden from the public since 11/22/63? I believe the Wiegman Film being promoted for almost 40 years as having been filmed "continuously" was intentionally done to Hide the Motorcade coming to a DEAD STOP. The FALSE Time Stamping of Films, Photos, and the Individuals contained therein has also been done to Hide this DEAD STOP.
Royell,
I don't believe any serious researcher has ever claimed that the camera cars just kept on going as though nothing had happened.
There used to be a well-made GIF on the Internet that showed the motorcade's first ten or so vehicles (including motorcycles) in their correct order, travelling down Houston to the Elm Street Curve and down Elm towards the Triple Underpass which showed the camera cars stopping (for only a few seconds, iirc), but I can't seem to find it now.
-- MWT ;)
Such a GIF would be very helpful, Mr. Graves.
Though the following link, courtesy of JFK.Hood.edu, may not include that particular GIF, it does offer a comprehensive detailing of the respective motorcade cars, positioning and occupants ---->
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Motorcade%20Route/Item%2015.pdf
Quoting from page 15 ---->
notes: Coat on right rear window deck (Wiegman film). Following
the shooting, this car and the cars forward of this point
race off immediately out of Dealey Plaza for Parkland
Hospital. The cars behind this car lag behind in Dealey
Plaza, primarily due to the fact that this and the other
camera cars stopped to let out passengers, with Camera Car #1
leading the rest and still in the Plaza at least 50 seconds
:----after fatal shot .(photo/film analysis). Kent Biffle
identifies the driver as a "Texas" highway patrolman" (DMN
11/20/83).
Mr Graves,
Alan is suffice. Given the mention/reference to a Texas Highway Patrolman in that page 15 quote I shared previously, I'm left to wonder if the driver of Vice-President Johnson's car, Texas Highway Patrol Joe Henry Rich weighed in with that 50 seconds.
Of course, in fairness to researchers like the late Mr. Marrs (Jim, RIP): Mr. Weisberg (Harold, RIP); and Mr. Palamara (Vince), it would be worthwhile to read anything they have authored about witnesses who actually saw the limo come to a stop. Include researcher Greg Burnham as well because I believe he cites none other than CBS News Anchor Walter Cronkite reporting the limo coming to a complete stop.
There is even an instance, where Hugh Betzer, in a same day 11/22/63 Sheriff's Dept. affidavit mentions multiple times within that document the limo came to a stop. The point here sir is that what really happened that fateful afternoon has been tainted by a hastily contrived script amid a bogus timeline sequence of events and "evidence" to frame the wrongly accused.
Appreciate the question. but in fairness to the OP, Mr. Ford, I respectfully move we return our chief focus back to the theme of the thread., "Is This Our Man?"
Lots going on behind that picket fence during the immediate aftermath of the treasonous ambush of a duly elected representative of the people.
Now! ----------- Mister Ford!
Did any of them say the camera cars were stopped for "two or three" minutes?
Thank you, Mister Ford !!!!!!!
-- MWT ;)
PS *sufficient or *will suffice
DEAD FILMING TIME: (1) Which Photog's inside the Camera Cars were filming as the motorcade traveled down Houston St? (2) Which Photogs were filming as the motorcade Approached the corner of Main/Houston
Point being?
You are asking for a time period when Filming was Not being done. (2-3 minutes). I am asking you for PROOF as to EXACTLY when filming STARTED between the corner of Main/Houston to the corner of Elm/Houston. I do Not recall seeing any images taken by camera car photogs while the camera cars were traveling down the entire length of Houston. Add the time period the Camera Cars were at a DEAD STOP, and we have an extended time period when these photogs, (Darnell/Couch) were Not filming.
Royell,
What does it matter whether or not any of the photographers in the three camera cars were filming between Main and Houston and Houston and Elm?
Regardless, doesn't Weigman, filming while his car was entering and negotiating the Elm Street Curve, count?
-- MWT ;)
Wiegman jumped out of his camera car as it began the turn due to it slowing to what was most likely a Stop. Show me Wiegman footage which displays Lovelady and Shelley moving down the Elm St Ext. Time Stamping Lovelady and Shelley going down the Elm Ext also Time Stamps films which allegedly shows them doing such. (Both Lovelady and Shelley gave WC Testiomony of this occurring roughly 2-3 minutes following the Kill Shot). Also, Wiegman was in Camera Car #1 vs Darnell and Couch being BACK BEHIND in Camera Car #3 is also Stopped. Again, Camera Car #2 being filmed at a Dead Stop factors into the Time Stamping. If Camera Car #2 is Stopped, likewise Camera Car #3. The lack of progress these camera cars were making is what prompted Photogs to bail out of them.
Heck, Gloria Calvery and her all-white colleague, Carol Reed,
Should not Baker have noticed this mans rather noticeable bald spot?
Graves - get a life and stop derailing every thread with your unhinged obsession with men's shorts.
Let me know if you ever come up with any actual evidence that the white blob is Carol Ann Reed. Or that the black blob is Gloria Calvery. Or that the Zapruder sign people are the same three as the Darnell clip people. Otherwise, get a life and stop making up loaded questions about bermuda shorts and blue balloons to derail every thread on every topic. This thread is supposed to be about the light brown jacket man in Hughes.
Let me know if you ever come up with any actual evidence that the white blob is Carol Ann Reed. Or that the black blob is Gloria Calvery. Or that the Zapruder sign people are the same three as the Darnell clip people. Otherwise, get a life and stop making up loaded questions about bermuda shorts and blue balloons to derail every thread on every topic. This thread is supposed to be about the light brown jacket man in Hughes.
Mr Hughes is filming from an elevated position:
(https://i.imgur.com/Glvlbww.jpg)
Also------------sunlight.
But thank you for bringing the thread back on topic! Thumb1:
Alan,
Assuming that Parking Lot Tan Jacket Man (PLTJM) was the man Amos Euins saw in the sixth floor window, what must PLTJM have been looking at to permit Euins' noticing the "bald spot" or "white mark" we seem to be seeing on the top of PLTJM's head?
Do you think PLTJM's head would have been tilted down enough for that particular observation if he'd been watching the limousine right after the fatal head shot, or would it have to have been closer to horizontal (or more?)?
-- MWT ;)
Now! Unless Tan Jacket Man is handing off something to the man in blue, then we have to conclude that this really is just a hand:
(https://i.imgur.com/Wk9NqeD.jpg)
In which case, we can rule out this fellow in Bell-------who is carrying something in his left hand--------as Tan Jacket Man:
(https://i.imgur.com/Xoc3Hup.gif)
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Mr Graves,
Alan is suffice. Given the mention/reference to a Texas Highway Patrolman in that page 15 quote I shared previously, I'm left to wonder if the driver of Vice-President Johnson's car, Texas Highway Patrol Joe Henry Rich weighed in with that 50 seconds.
Of course, in fairness to researchers like the late Mr. Marrs (Jim, RIP): Mr. Weisberg (Harold, RIP); and Mr. Palamara (Vince), it would be worthwhile to read anything they have authored about witnesses who actually saw the limo come to a stop. Include researcher Greg Burnham as well because I believe he cites none other than CBS News Anchor Walter Cronkite reporting the limo coming to a complete stop.
There is even an instance, where Hugh Betzer, in a same day 11/22/63 Sheriff's Dept. affidavit mentions multiple times within that document the limo came to a stop. The point here sir is that what really happened that fateful afternoon has been tainted by a hastily contrived script amid a bogus timeline sequence of events and "evidence" to frame the wrongly accused.
Appreciate the question. but in fairness to the OP, Mr. Ford, I respectfully move we return our chief focus back to the theme of the thread., "Is This Our Man?"
Lots going on behind that picket fence during the immediate aftermath of the treasonous ambush of a duly elected representative of the people.
!!!!!!!
Alan,
It's too bad you can't "freeze frame" the GIF.
If you could, we might be able to determine:
1) Whether or not he's wearing a hat
2) How long his jacket it.
Imho, PLTJM is wearing a leather jacket, or at least a jacket that's made of a fairly shiny material. Ditto the guy walking across the grass.
!!!!!!!
-- MWT ;)
Yes, the jackets are certainly similar. But Bell Man is clearly carrying something sizeable enough, whereas Hughes Man------unless he hands something off to the man in blue------is not. In which case: not the same person! Thumb1:
1 man with his hand in his pocket walks passed another man. When does Alfred Hitchcock get his cameo?
Does anyone recall appointing Tommy the forum grammar police?
Says the forum TypoSuck
Does anyone recall appointing Tommy the forum grammar police?
I'm looking forward to the day you ever post anything that's useful, interesting, or relevant.
I didn't "suggest" anything of the kind. That's your made-up strawman trolling BS to divert from being called out on your bogus creative blob interpretations. For the umpteenth time, get a life and stop derailing every thread with your vindictive obsessions. P.S. did you find any evidence yet that Calvery "always wore glasses", or is that just more of your made-up BS? If you don't like being called a charlatan then stop being one.
Says the forum TypoSuck
PS Regarding Calvery, to your knowledge have any photos of her not wearing glasses ever been dug up and posted on the Internet?
I'll take that as a "no". No evidence for your made-up BS.
Did you find any evidence that the figure in white is Carol Ann Reed, or is that just more of your made-up BS?
Get a life, Graves.
IIRC, FWIW, it is my understanding that the LincolnConvertible carrying VP LyndonJohnson, Mrs Lyndon"LadyBird"Johnson, and Senator RalphYarborough, was piloted by TexasHighwayPatrolOfficer HurchelJacks (1929-1995).
Imagine that.
Good one, Bill.
-- MWT
The full nomenclature I originally applied to JudgeJohnny (some time ago) is actually 'TypoSuckJohnny'.
Now, if I've misused 'nomenclature', watch him trip over his knee-highs pointing that out.
Imagine that. The charlatan shifts the burden of proof and tries to declare victory. Graves, get a life.
Did you find any evidence that Jeraldean Reid is the woman with glasses in the Cook footage taken outside the depository, or is that just more of your made-up BS?
The fact that you refuse to comment on your Bermuda-shorts-in-Towner issue and your equally embarrassing temporary-GlassesWoman-in-Betzmer3 issue does not mitigate the fact that you are, as is obvious to most now, a blowhard and a charlatan.
Yes, the jackets are certainly similar. But Bell Man is clearly carrying something sizeable enough, whereas Hughes Man------unless he hands something off to the man in blue------is not. In which case: not the same person! Thumb1:
Bumped for Mr 'Let's-Take-This-Off-Topic-When-We-Don't-Like-Where-It's-Going' Graves! Thumb1:
I'll take that as another "no". You're 0 for 3. Noiw get a life and stop derailing this thread with your bermuda shorts obsession.
Alan,
Now !!!!!!! ....... that ................ was ....... perfect !!!!!!! Thumb1: Thumb1: Thumb1:
-- MWT ;)
Whatever, Mr Graves. Maybe you should heed Mr Iacoletti's advice, take a break from this place and get a life? :(
Alan,
Yes !!!!!!!
Now! At what point do you think PLTJM (Parking Lot Tan Jacket Man) had something, if anything, in his left hand?
1) At the beginning of his turn
2) Never; his left hand was in his pocket the whole time
3) Several minutes earlier, while he was murdering JFK
a) From the sixth floor window
b) From some other TSBD window
c) From behind the picket fence
d) [fill in the blank]
Thanks !!!!!!
-- MWT ;)
On-topic... On-topic... Off-topic... Off-topic...Off-topic... Off-topic... On-topic... Off-topic... Off-topic etc
We have your number, Mr Graves. You're boring us.
Alan,
Yes !!!!!!!
Now! At what point do you think PLTJM (Parking Lot Tan Jacket Man) had something, if anything, in his left hand?
1) At the beginning of his turn
2) Never; his left hand was in his pocket the whole time
3) Several minutes earlier, while he was murdering JFK
a) From the sixth floor window
b) From some other TSBD window
c) From behind the picket fence
d) [fill in the blank]
Thanks !!!!!!
-- MWT ;)
From the 11/22/63 report of Sheriff's Department Deputy "Lummie" Lewis:
Ronald Fischer w/m/24, 4007 Flamingo Way, BR 9 0950. Was with Bob (Edwards, A.F.). Saw man on next to top floor and gave description of suspect. Fairly short hair cut, not a crew, but stuck up in front and not a flat top. Med complex. In his 20's, sport shirt and slacks. Sport shirt open at collar.
(https://i.imgur.com/u1fnuT9.jpg)
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From the 11/22/63 affidavit of Motorcycle Officer Marrion L. Baker:
As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9," 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
(https://i.imgur.com/u1fnuT9.jpg)
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From Mr Amos Euins' WC testimony:
Mr. SPECTER. ... But you have described that he had a bald--
Mr. EUINS. Spot in his head. Yes, sir; I could see the bald spot in his head.
...
Mr. SPECTER. How far back did the bald spot on his head go?
Mr. EUINS. I would say about right along in here.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 2 1/2 inches above where you hairline is. Is that about what you are saying?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; right along in here.
+
Mr. SPECTER. Do you know who that man was who said somebody ran out the back?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir. He was a construction man working back there.
Mr. SPECTER. Were you there when the man talked about somebody running out the back?
Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. He said the man had--he said he had kind of bald spot on his head. And he said the man come back there.
(https://i.imgur.com/u1fnuT9.jpg)
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The thing that struck me as odd in Euins' testimony was that he indicated the bald spot was about 2.5 inches above his hairline. Below is a pic of Euins, the place where he is indicating is toward the front of his head, not on top where you would expect to see a 'bald spot'.
Exactly where the man in the pic appears to have a bald spot, a position I find quite unusual:
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGN8vQcm/Screenshot-37.png) (https://postimages.org/)