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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Lance Payette on October 05, 2025, 12:11:26 AM
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This is the sort of stuff that drives me nuts. The CT factoid that the power in the TSBD mysteriously went out just before the shots were fired has been repeated at the Other Forum as recently as today (by your CT hero and mine, David Josephs). ::)
The source, of course, is Geneva Hine. Josephs interprets her WC testimony as referring to a "power outage" in the TSBD. Let’s look at what she actually said. It’s pretty clear, yet these factoids persist like cockroaches.
Hine told the other women in her office that she would stay behind and answer the telephone so they could go outside and watch the motorcade:
“You see, I had seen him [JFK] on two different occasions and I had been very close to him and so they were lamenting that they couldn’t go out so I spoke up and said ’I will be glad to answer the telephone so you girls may go out and see the motorcade’ and I had previously answered the telephone when we were in the other building before we moved in this building, so they were delighted and I thought nothing about it.”
She then explained that there was no switchboard but rather a telephone with a bank of lights for multiple lines. When Otis Williams went out to watch the motorcade, she was left alone and had to shift to another desk to answer the phone. The lights on the phone all went out “because no one was calling,” and she then felt it was safe to go over to the window and watch:
Mr. BALL. Did you have to change your desk over to another desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; to the middle desk on the front row.
Mr. BALL. Was there a switchboard?
Miss HINE. No, sir; we have a telephone with three incoming lines, then we have the warehouse line and we have an intercom system.
Mr. BALL. You don’t have a switchboard?
Miss HINE. Not now; we did in the other building.
Mr. BALL. Were you alone then at this time?
Miss HINE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir. I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to the window?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Business phones with multiple lines had been in use since the 1950s. They did not go “dead” when the power went out because the central office of the phone company had its own backup power. Hine simply meant there were no incoming calls and she didn’t think there would be any during the motorcade, so she walked over to the window.
If that isn’t sufficient for you, immediately following the shooting Hine frantically banged on the door of Southwestern Publishing but the woman in that office wouldn’t answer because she was talking on the telephone:
Miss HINE. And there was a girl in there talking on the telephone and I could hear her but she didn’t answer the door.
Moreover, the lights on the phone in her own office then immediately started blinking due to a high volume of incoming calls:
Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the telephones were beginning to wink; outside calls were beginning to come in.
Mr. BALL. Did they come in rapidly?
Miss HINE. They did come in rapidly.
Have I killed this cockroach once and for all? Noooooo ...
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This is the sort of stuff that drives me nuts. The CT factoid that the power in the TSBD mysteriously went out just before the shots were fired has been repeated at the Other Forum as recently as today (by your CT hero and mine, David Josephs). ::)
The source, of course, is Geneva Hine. Josephs interprets her WC testimony as referring to a "power outage" in the TSBD. Let’s look at what she actually said. It’s pretty clear, yet these factoids persist like cockroaches.
Hine told the other women in her office that she would stay behind and answer the telephone so they could go outside and watch the motorcade:
“You see, I had seen him [JFK] on two different occasions and I had been very close to him and so they were lamenting that they couldn’t go out so I spoke up and said ’I will be glad to answer the telephone so you girls may go out and see the motorcade’ and I had previously answered the telephone when we were in the other building before we moved in this building, so they were delighted and I thought nothing about it.”
She then explained that there was no switchboard but rather a telephone with a bank of lights for multiple lines. When Otis Williams went out to watch the motorcade, she was left alone and had to shift to another desk to answer the phone. The lights on the phone all went out “because no one was calling,” and she then felt it was safe to go over to the window and watch:
Mr. BALL. Did you have to change your desk over to another desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; to the middle desk on the front row.
Mr. BALL. Was there a switchboard?
Miss HINE. No, sir; we have a telephone with three incoming lines, then we have the warehouse line and we have an intercom system.
Mr. BALL. You don’t have a switchboard?
Miss HINE. Not now; we did in the other building.
Mr. BALL. Were you alone then at this time?
Miss HINE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir. I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to the window?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Business phones with multiple lines had been in use since the 1950s. They did not go “dead” when the power went out because the central office of the phone company had its own backup power. Hine simply meant there were no incoming calls and she didn’t think there would be any during the motorcade, so she walked over to the window.
If that isn’t sufficient for you, immediately following the shooting Hine frantically banged on the door of Southwestern Publishing but the woman in that office wouldn’t answer because she was talking on the telephone:
Miss HINE. And there was a girl in there talking on the telephone and I could hear her but she didn’t answer the door.
Moreover, the lights on the phone in her own office then immediately started blinking due to a high volume of incoming calls:
Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the telephones were beginning to wink; outside calls were beginning to come in.
Mr. BALL. Did they come in rapidly?
Miss HINE. They did come in rapidly.
Have I killed this cockroach once and for all? Noooooo ...
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Your interpretation is correct in my book Lance. I also have an opinion about what Geneva Hine said regarding the first shot she heard. This is paraphrasing her testimony, but she said the first shot happened immediately after the limo disappeared from her view from the east window and while she was starting to look at the next vehicle in the motorcade. I believe she was referring to the Vice President’s vehicle. Her description suggests an early shot (that missed).
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Business phones with multiple lines had been in use since the 1950s. They did not go “dead” when the power went out because the central office of the phone company had its own backup power. --LP
I think this is correct. The phone companies did have their own power systems. Not sure if in-office multiple lines needed house current or not. By the 1980s, I worked in an office in which the phone system had it own power, but the in-office multiple-line set-up had its own power as well.
I suspect the old rotary-dial phones with the lights, as you have pictured, just used phone company power.
I think there has been some talk about elevators and the TSBD power also.
Obviously, former CIA Director Dulles, and the Council of Foreign Relations, Brown Brothers Harriman and the military-industrial complex sabotaged the TSBD power system.
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We know that the power to the east and west passenger elevators in the building was cut soon after the shooting.
Victoria Adams, who tried to use the west passenger elevator but found that its power had been cut off:
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - Following that, I pushed the button for the
passenger elevator, but the power had been cut off on the
elevator, so I took the stairs to the second floor. (6 H 391)
Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney, who tried to use the east passenger elevator but had to get off on the second floor because the elevator's power was suddenly cut off:
It was a push button affair the best I can remember, got hold
of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second.
I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there,
the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on
the elevator. (3 H 284)
This is why Mooney was heading up the stairs from the second floor when he encountered two well-dressed men coming down the stairs. The men were dressed nicely enough that he assumed they were plainclothes law officers, even though he didn't recognize either of them.
Humm, now who could these two well-dressed men have been? Why were they on an upper floor until at least 12:45?
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We know that the power to the east and west passenger elevators in the building was cut soon after the shooting.
Victoria Adams, who tried to use the west passenger elevator but found that its power had been cut off:
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - Following that, I pushed the button for the
passenger elevator, but the power had been cut off on the
elevator, so I took the stairs to the second floor. (6 H 391)
Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney, who tried to use the east passenger elevator but had to get off on the second floor because the elevator's power was suddenly cut off:
It was a push button affair the best I can remember, got hold
of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second.
I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there,
the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on
the elevator. (3 H 284)
This is why Mooney was heading up the stairs from the second floor when he encountered two well-dressed men coming down the stairs. The men were dressed nicely enough that he assumed they were plainclothes law officers, even though he didn't recognize either of them.
Humm, now who could these two well-dressed men have been? Why were they on an upper floor until at least 12:45?
Mr. TRULY. Well, I started around towards the stairway, and then I noted that this east elevator was there. So I told the officer, "Come on, here is an elevator," and then we ran down to the east side, and got on the east elevator.
Mr. BELIN. Could you put the letter "T" at the end of that line, please?
All right.
Now, where did you go with the east elevator, to what floor?
Mr. TRULY. We rode the east elevator to the seventh floor.
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MTG:
OK, so how long do you wait for an elevator before determining the power had been cut off?
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Victoria Adams, who tried to use the west passenger elevator but found that its power had been cut off:
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - Following that, I pushed the button for the
passenger elevator, but the power had been cut off on the
elevator, so I took the stairs to the second floor. (6 H 391)
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So Ms. Adams lingered at the Elm St window for how long, and then tried the elevator for how long....
Seems like LHO could have just left before her...
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MTG:
OK, so how long do you wait for an elevator before determining the power had been cut off?
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Victoria Adams, who tried to use the west passenger elevator but found that its power had been cut off:
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - Following that, I pushed the button for the
passenger elevator, but the power had been cut off on the
elevator, so I took the stairs to the second floor. (6 H 391)
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So Ms. Adams lingered at the Elm St window for how long, and then tried the elevator for how long....
Seems like LHO could have just left before her...
Vicki Adams was attempting to use the elevator after she re-entered the building.
I suspect that it was a two door elevator, just like the freight elevators, and she had failed to fully close one of the doors. If the power was out, it would have been very dark in that elevator.
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I don't want anyone to think I'm under the illusion that my original post here is saying anything clever or breaking new ground. CTer Ron Ecker said basically the same thing at the Ed Forum 20 years ago, and I'm sure the same observations were made long before that and many times after. What Geneva Hine was talking about is entirely obvious.
The real point is that a Big League CTer like David Josephs, who seemingly lives and breathes the JFKA and postures himself as a deeply serious researcher, is STILL spouting this nonsense. He actually called it - just yesterday - a "crucial" point. (One of his sycophants urged him to write THE definitive book on the JFKA because "You da man, David!!!")
Virtually ALL of these CT gurus are hucksters. They are wedded to their theories like televangelists and peddling their wares with little regard for accuracy or truth. It's as impossible to engage in rational debate with them as it is with a cult leader and his flock. You can point out the occasional screaming, flaming, blatant factoid that is still being peddled and hope a light bulb will perhaps finally go off in some peoples' heads - but it seemingly never does.
Anyway, that was the point - not that Geneva was talking about her telephone but that obvious nonsense is still being spewed by people like David Josephs. There is simply and undeniably something wrong with the thought processes of these people.
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I don't want anyone to think I'm under the illusion that my original post here is saying anything clever or breaking new ground. CTer Ron Ecker said basically the same thing at the Ed Forum 20 years ago, and I'm sure the same observations were made long before that and many times after. What Geneva Hine was talking about is entirely obvious.
The real point is that a Big League CTer like David Josephs, who seemingly lives and breathes the JFKA and postures himself as a deeply serious researcher, is STILL spouting this nonsense. He actually called it - just yesterday - a "crucial" point. (One of his sycophants urged him to write THE definitive book on the JFKA because "You da man, David!!!")
Virtually ALL of these CT gurus are hucksters. They are wedded to their theories like televangelists and peddling their wares with little regard for accuracy or truth. It's as impossible to engage in rational debate with them as it is with a cult leader and his flock. You can point out the occasional screaming, flaming, blatant factoid that is still being peddled and hope a light bulb will perhaps finally go off in some peoples' heads - but it seemingly never does.
Anyway, that was the point - not that Geneva was talking about her telephone but that obvious nonsense is still being spewed by people like David Josephs. There is simply and undeniably something wrong with the thought processes of these people.
Stick to the Facts. Your slandering this guy only distracts attention from the Facts. Plus, it makes it obvious that you can Not be objective.
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There was a lengthy discussion of this issue on this forum in the past. I agree that GH's somewhat unclear comment was meant to convey that the phones and not the power went out. In addition, there is no conceivable conspiracy-related reason to turn the power off for a few moments. Why bother? If there are individuals who want to believe the power went out at that exact moment but that it had nothing to do with the assassination or a conspiracy, then knock yourselves out. Who cares?
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There was a lengthy discussion of this issue on this forum in the past. I agree that GH's somewhat unclear comment was meant to convey that the phones and not the power went out. In addition, there is no conceivable conspiracy-related reason to turn the power off for a few moments. Why bother? If there are individuals who want to believe the power went out at that exact moment but that it had nothing to do with the assassination or a conspiracy, then knock yourselves out. Who cares?
Disagree. This possible power outage would be a very big issue if it also impacted the TIME on the clock atop the TSBD. Personally, I believe it is important to positively know when traffic began flowing down Elm St after the Kill Shot. Along with that, we timestamp detectives like Walthers based on their being in photos with that TSBD clock in the background. A possible power outage that resulted in an inaccurate time being on the TSBD clock is very important.
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Disagree. This possible power outage would be a very big issue if it also impacted the TIME on the clock atop the TSBD. Personally, I believe it is important to positively know when traffic began flowing down Elm St after the Kill Shot. Along with that, we timestamp detectives like Walthers based on their being in photos with that TSBD clock in the background. A possible power outage that resulted in an inaccurate time being on the TSBD clock is very important.
There is a photograph of the clock taken just a few seconds after the assassination and it is clearly functioning. A momentary outage would not have significantly impacted the time shown and, of course, the clock atop the building was just one source of the time. Lastly, I seem to recall that there was a suggestion that the clock was battery powered although there was no resolution to that even from the 6th floor museum which still apparently has the clock.
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Stick to the Facts. Your slandering this guy only distracts attention from the Facts. Plus, it makes it obvious that you can Not be objective.
What did he say about Josephs that is slander?
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There is a photograph of the clock taken just a few seconds after the assassination and it is clearly functioning. A momentary outage would not have significantly impacted the time shown and, of course, the clock atop the building was just one source of the time. Lastly, I seem to recall that there was a suggestion that the clock was battery powered although there was no resolution to that even from the 6th floor museum which still apparently has the clock.
"Momentary outage"? Officer Luke Mooney gave WC testimony that the power went out when he was on the freight elevator with 2 women at the 2nd Floor. They all got off the elevator and Mooney escorted them to their office and made sure everything was OK therein. He then backtracked and used the stairwell to proceed up. To me, that Mooney elapsed time is more than just "momentary".
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"Momentary outage"? Officer Luke Mooney gave WC testimony that the power went out when he was on the freight elevator with 2 women at the 2nd Floor. They all got off the elevator and Mooney escorted them to their office and made sure everything was OK therein. He then backtracked and used the stairwell to proceed up. To me, that Mooney elapsed time is more than just "momentary".
That would have been after the assassination. As a result, that could not have been alleged power outage described by GH at the moment of the assassination. And Mooney didn't know how to operate the freight elevator. It was working to get him from the 1st to 2nd floor. So the power was obviously still on at that point. He can't get the elevator to work after those folks get off the elevator because he was not familiar with how to operate it. Baker and Truly take the elevator up in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.
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That would have been after the assassination. As a result, that could not have been alleged power outage described by GH at the moment of the assassination. And Mooney didn't know how to operate the freight elevator. It was working to get him from the 1st to 2nd floor. So the power was obviously still on at that point. He can't get the elevator to work after those folks get off the elevator because he was not familiar with how to operate it. Baker and Truly take the elevator up in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.
You need to read or re-read Mooney's WC Testimony. You're making assumptions. Deal with the facts. That is usually your M.O.
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You need to read or re-read Mooney's WC Testimony. You're making assumptions. Deal with the facts. That is usually your M.O.
No assumptions. GH's testimony about the phone/iights relates to the moment of the assassination. We know Baker and Truly took the elevator up in the immediate aftermath of the assassination before Mooney took his elevator ride. So the power must have been on at that point. Thus any alleged power outage per GH must have been of very brief duration if it is back on when Baker and Truly arrive at the elevator within a couple of minutes. In your bizarre scenario, the power would have been off at the moment of the assassination, back on when Baker and Truly ride the elevator a couple of minutes later, still on when Mooney takes his elevator ride from the first to the second floor even later, but then gets turned off again just as he reaches the 2nd floor. There is no conceivable reason for any conspirator to be turning the power off and on in the building for a few moments in the aftermath of the assassination. What would be the purpose? How would they be doing this?
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No assumptions. GH's testimony about the phone/iights relates to the moment of the assassination. We know Baker and Truly took the elevator up in the immediate aftermath of the assassination before Mooney took his elevator ride. So the power must have been on at that point. Thus any alleged power outage per GH must have been of very brief duration if it is back on when Baker and Truly arrive at the elevator within a couple of minutes. In your bizarre scenario, the power would have been off at the moment of the assassination, back on when Baker and Truly ride the elevator a couple of minutes later, still on when Mooney takes his elevator ride from the first to the second floor even later, but then gets turned off again just as he reaches the 2nd floor. There is no conceivable reason for any conspirator to be turning the power off and on in the building for a few moments in the aftermath of the assassination. What would be the purpose? How would they be doing this?
I never said the power went out "at the moment of the assassination". My concern is if the clock atop the TSBD might have been inaccurate due to the power outage. Time stamping is very important and some time stamping such as Walthers there at the (S) curb/manhole cover is based on that clock atop the TSBD being in the background of a Walthers photo(s). There doesn't need to be a "purpose" for this power outage. Accidental or Intentional, I am concerned with the posted time on that clock AFTER the DPD Officer Mooney WC documented power outage.
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I never said the power went out "at the moment of the assassination". My concern is if the clock atop the TSBD might have been inaccurate due to the power outage. Time stamping is very important and some time stamping such as Walthers there at the (S) curb/manhole cover is based on that clock atop the TSBD being in the background of a Walthers photo(s). There doesn't need to be a "purpose" for this power outage. Accidental or Intentional, I am concerned with the posted time on that clock AFTER the DPD Officer Mooney WC documented power outage.
Ugh. This entire thread is about whether GH's testimony was meant to convey that the phone/power went out at just about the moment of the assassination. Are you confirming that you agree that the power wasn't out at that moment? The clock is clearly functional in photos taken in the seconds just after the assassination. In addition, my recollection is that CTers have argued the Hertz clock was battery powered to rebut the notion that it would have been out at the time if as GH indicated the power was off at that moment.
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Ugh. This entire thread is about whether GH's testimony was meant to convey that the phone/power went out at just about the moment of the assassination. Are you confirming that you agree that the power wasn't out at that moment? The clock is clearly functional in photos taken in the seconds just after the assassination. In addition, my recollection is that CTers have argued the Hertz clock was battery powered to rebut the notion that it would have been out at the time if as GH indicated the power was off at that moment.
My "power outage" point with respect to the Hertz Clock atop the TSBD does fall within the title of this thread. The Walthers timeline is extremely important whether you realize it or not. And please remember to pick up your penalty flag.
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My "power outage" point with respect to the Hertz clock atop the TSBD does fall within the title of this thread. The Walthers timeline is extremely important whether you realize it or not. And please remember to pick up your penalty flag.
How does it tie in with your grandiose HUGE GATES conspiracy theory?
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How does it tie in with your grandiose HUGE GATES conspiracy theory?
The "wide open" HUGE GATES is one of several clues. I amass clues in the hope of ultimately discovering a "linchpin". I believe I have just discovered that linchpin. A JFK Assassination researcher is currently examining this linchpin. It's New. Brand New. --------------- STAY TUNED ----------------
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The "wide open" HUGE GATES is one of several clues. I amass clues in the hope of ultimately discovering a "linchpin". I believe I have just discovered that linchpin. A JFK Assassination researcher is currently examining this linchpin. It's new. Brand new. --------------- stay tuned ----------------
THE WIDE OPEN HUGE GATES.
My bad.
The Linchpin?
Let me guess . . .
Vicki Adams, Jack Dougherty, and/or James JESUS Angleton!
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My "power outage" point with respect to the Hertz Clock atop the TSBD does fall within the title of this thread. The Walthers timeline is extremely important whether you realize it or not. And please remember to pick up your penalty flag.
So lay out when you think the power was off and on based on the known movements of individuals after the assassination. For example, did it go out as the motorcade approached per one interpretation of GH's testimony? Was it back on a few minutes later when Baker and Truly went up the elevators? Was it still on when Mooney took his trip from the 1st to 2nd floor but then went out again? Do tell.
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So lay out when you think the power was off and on based on the known movements of individuals after the assassination. For example, did it go out as the motorcade approached per one interpretation of GH's testimony? Was it back on a few minutes later when Baker and Truly went up the elevators? Was it still on when Mooney took his trip from the 1st to 2nd floor but then went out again? Do tell.
Like I said, how about we deal with the FACTS? How about finding out if the Clock atop the TSBD ran on DC Current for starters? This is not the "politics" thread. Let's accumulate FACTS.
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Like I said, how about we deal with the FACTS? How about finding out if the Clock atop the TSBD ran on DC Current for starters? This is not the "politics" thread. Let's accumulate FACTS.
I already set forth the facts. There are numerous sources to confirm that the power was on in the building in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.
Fact: the clock is functioning moments after the assassination per the photograph that clearly shows it displaying 12:30 as the motorcade passes under the overpass.
Fact: the freight elevator is functioning when Baker and Truly take it minutes after the assassination.
Fact: the lights are on in the TSBD moments after the assassination per the interior film footage.
Fact: the freight elevator is functioning when Mooney takes it from the 1st to 2nd floor several minutes after the assassination.
Fact: the freight elevator that Mooney was on did not operate like a normal elevator. It would not work unless he knew how to operate it. His testimony does not disprove that he did not know who to operate it because he would not know what he did not know.
Now spin us a yarn and explain how and why the power was being turned on and off in a way that aligns with these facts. If you are just claiming the alleged power outage was random and had nothing to do with a conspiracy, then who cares?
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I already set forth the facts. There are numerous sources to confirm that the power was on in the building in the immediate aftermath of the assassination.
Fact: the clock is functioning moments after the assassination per the photograph that clearly shows it displaying 12:30 as the motorcade passes under the overpass.
Fact: the freight elevator is functioning when Baker and Truly take it minutes after the assassination.
Fact: the lights are on in the TSBD moments after the assassination per the interior film footage.
Fact: the freight elevator is functioning when Mooney takes it from the 1st to 2nd floor several minutes after the assassination.
Fact: the freight elevator that Mooney was on did not operate like a normal elevator. It would not work unless he knew how to operate it. His testimony does not disprove that he did not know who to operate it because he would not know what he did not know.
Now spin us a yarn and explain how and why the power was being turned on and off in a way that aligns with these facts. If you are just claiming the alleged power outage was random and had nothing to do with a conspiracy, then who cares?
I never claimed the power was "turned" off for whatever reason. That's ALL You. I only ask if the TSBD Clock is posting the correct time AFTER the power outage. I ask a very simple question and I get palace intrigue instead.
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The Sixth Floor Musuem, which owns the remnants of the Hertz sign, doesn't know how it was powered but assumes it was wired into the building's electrical supply: https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/hertz-sign/.
At the time, the TSBD Hertz sign was one of only three such signs in existence.
Signs of that sort during that era typically did not have backup power.
Obviously, the clock would have to reset or be reset somehow after a power outage.
Whatever you think the significance of this issue is - I see none, but whatever - you will never have a definitive answer.
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The Sixth Floor Musuem, which owns the remnants of the Hertz sign, doesn't know how it was powered but assumes it was wired into the building's electrical supply: https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/hertz-sign/.
At the time, the TSBD Hertz sign was one of only three such signs in existence.
Signs of that sort during that era typically did not have backup power.
Obviously, the clock would have to reset or be reset somehow after a power outage.
Whatever you think the significance of this issue is - I see none, but whatever - you will never have a definitive answer.
Thanks for this post. That clock image is used as a time stamp. That time stamping is not restricted to the 12:30 noted above by the Sixth Floor Museum. But, as I continue to say in reference to the Sixth Floor Museum, "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown".
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The Sixth Floor Musuem, which owns the remnants of the Hertz sign, doesn't know how it was powered but assumes it was wired into the building's electrical supply: https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/hertz-sign/.
At the time, the TSBD Hertz sign was one of only three such signs in existence.
Signs of that sort during that era typically did not have backup power.
Obviously, the clock would have to reset or be reset somehow after a power outage.
Whatever you think the significance of this issue is - I see none, but whatever - you will never have a definitive answer.
Thanks, Lance, for reminding me that the Sixth Floor Museum website includes THIS PAGE (https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/hertz-sign) all about the Hertz sign atop the Book Depository Building.
For those interested, here are a couple of pictures showing the other two large billboard signs that occupied space on the roof of the TSBD prior to 1959. Click to enlarge....
The "U.S. Royal Tires" sign (this photo is from 1948):
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKEC980kLuMEh1E0Bo5B_X3gBqg53JBcWKVggwLE660R8ilttF6N6-7bsUqA5-Fckdwb2MDtrfJPvfc8JiieEtGXVSPOtxVbUk0WnjYuWeTxX4KRT37Mraake_kq4tnzjFv5tc-a-zX4k/s800/Dealey-Plaza-Dallas-Texas-1948.jpg) (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKEC980kLuMEh1E0Bo5B_X3gBqg53JBcWKVggwLE660R8ilttF6N6-7bsUqA5-Fckdwb2MDtrfJPvfc8JiieEtGXVSPOtxVbUk0WnjYuWeTxX4KRT37Mraake_kq4tnzjFv5tc-a-zX4k/s4000-h/Dealey-Plaza-Dallas-Texas-1948.jpg)
The "Ford: Built In Texas" sign, which went up in June 1953:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfzL7r5ql1JbUNHdl8q9Bjx69MKUNQTCdfdkXupQUZcK1D5ESogGLLQ2zLGvwxHqmQsA6wSx9ehjAtDnMLwvspKUap4T-thn_NemKn6KRRILWjYUYZjeRWFCL67K75R_JHkx7bQX6ypbg/s800/Dallas-Newspaper-Article-June-14-1953.jpg) (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfzL7r5ql1JbUNHdl8q9Bjx69MKUNQTCdfdkXupQUZcK1D5ESogGLLQ2zLGvwxHqmQsA6wSx9ehjAtDnMLwvspKUap4T-thn_NemKn6KRRILWjYUYZjeRWFCL67K75R_JHkx7bQX6ypbg/s4000-h/Dallas-Newspaper-Article-June-14-1953.jpg)
Click the logo below for many more Dealey Plaza/TSBD images, dating back to the 1930s:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhaJLeIe3HhukKQ6TEp3a6bTyBX2mePKMCrv-LMKpStJ9a4SsevZ83ocOoWJ9mHh2XwJbda1VlvcsvDnnyNc93HZDPwNuNiTdrbSp15z_VWatsXhRgp1YnO1tdStL_ie02RSUC_HwdwvCM/s610/Dealey-Plaza-Through-The-Years-03.png) (https://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/11/kennedy-gallery-270.html)
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Thanks, Lance, for reminding me that the Sixth Floor Museum website includes THIS PAGE (https://www.jfk.org/collections-archive/hertz-sign) all about the Hertz sign atop the Book Depository Building.
For those interested, here are a couple of pictures showing the other two large billboard signs that occupied space on the roof of the TSBD prior to 1959. Click to enlarge....
The "U.S. Royal Tires" sign (this photo is from 1948):
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKEC980kLuMEh1E0Bo5B_X3gBqg53JBcWKVggwLE660R8ilttF6N6-7bsUqA5-Fckdwb2MDtrfJPvfc8JiieEtGXVSPOtxVbUk0WnjYuWeTxX4KRT37Mraake_kq4tnzjFv5tc-a-zX4k/s800/Dealey-Plaza-Dallas-Texas-1948.jpg) (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiKEC980kLuMEh1E0Bo5B_X3gBqg53JBcWKVggwLE660R8ilttF6N6-7bsUqA5-Fckdwb2MDtrfJPvfc8JiieEtGXVSPOtxVbUk0WnjYuWeTxX4KRT37Mraake_kq4tnzjFv5tc-a-zX4k/s4000-h/Dealey-Plaza-Dallas-Texas-1948.jpg)
The "Ford: Built In Texas" sign, which went up in June 1953:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfzL7r5ql1JbUNHdl8q9Bjx69MKUNQTCdfdkXupQUZcK1D5ESogGLLQ2zLGvwxHqmQsA6wSx9ehjAtDnMLwvspKUap4T-thn_NemKn6KRRILWjYUYZjeRWFCL67K75R_JHkx7bQX6ypbg/s800/Dallas-Newspaper-Article-June-14-1953.jpg) (https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfzL7r5ql1JbUNHdl8q9Bjx69MKUNQTCdfdkXupQUZcK1D5ESogGLLQ2zLGvwxHqmQsA6wSx9ehjAtDnMLwvspKUap4T-thn_NemKn6KRRILWjYUYZjeRWFCL67K75R_JHkx7bQX6ypbg/s4000-h/Dallas-Newspaper-Article-June-14-1953.jpg)
Click the logo below for many more Dealey Plaza/TSBD images, dating back to the 1930s:
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhaJLeIe3HhukKQ6TEp3a6bTyBX2mePKMCrv-LMKpStJ9a4SsevZ83ocOoWJ9mHh2XwJbda1VlvcsvDnnyNc93HZDPwNuNiTdrbSp15z_VWatsXhRgp1YnO1tdStL_ie02RSUC_HwdwvCM/s610/Dealey-Plaza-Through-The-Years-03.png) (https://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/11/kennedy-gallery-270.html)
My copyright infringement case is still pending.
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My copyright infringement case is still pending.
Then you must have changed the spelling of your name since 1948, eh? :)
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Much like a song, just because a random note here and there is changed, the general theme is the crux of the issue. And as everybody knows, "Royell" is where the rubber meets the road.
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"Royell" is where the rubber meets the road.
Dear Comrade Storing,
What brand of prophylactic are you referring to?
-- Tom