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Title: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 14, 2019, 06:05:42 PM
...and you are dead.

I have been told, and I have read, over the years that Jackie Kennedy was given red roses because they were out of yellow ones. This sounds ridiculous, but I have accepted it despite her receiving yellow roses just the day before.

Imagine my surprise when listening to as it happened coverage on KLIF when hearing Lady Bird Johnson received YELLOW roses at Love Field upon arrival!

Those roses were a signal most likely IMO. Yellow=abort. Red=go.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 14, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
...and you are dead.

I have been told, and I have read, over the years that Jackie Kennedy was given red roses because they were out of yellow ones. This sounds ridiculous, but I have accepted it despite her receiving yellow roses just the day before.

Imagine my surprise when listening to as it happened coverage on KLIF when hearing Lady Bird Johnson received YELLOW roses at Love Field upon arrival!

Those roses were a signal most likely IMO. Yellow=abort. Red=go.

Red Roses for Jackie.... and Red Rings on the windows for LBJ.....
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on February 14, 2019, 07:01:35 PM
...and you are dead.

I have been told, and I have read, over the years that Jackie Kennedy was given red roses because they were out of yellow ones. This sounds ridiculous, but I have accepted it despite her receiving yellow roses just the day before.

Imagine my surprise when listening to as it happened coverage on KLIF when hearing Lady Bird Johnson received YELLOW roses at Love Field upon arrival!

Those roses were a signal most likely IMO. Yellow=abort. Red=go.

That is tin foil hat nonsense even by prior low standards, but why would LBJ need a signal?  Even if he was involved in the assassination plot, he would see for himself if anything happened.  He was in the motorcade.  He wouldn't have any action to take in the act other than to become President if it succeeds.  If he needed a signal, however, why couldn't it be yellow roses?  I will give you some credit though.  Some sources suggest LadyBird's flowers were white but they do appear to be yellow in the color photos.   The flower on LBJ's suit is white.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 14, 2019, 07:16:14 PM
That is tin foil hat nonsense even by prior low standards, but why would LBJ need a signal?  Even if he was involved in the assassination plot, he would see for himself if anything happened.  He was in the motorcade.  He wouldn't have any action to take in the act other than to become President if it succeeds.  If he needed a signal, however, why couldn't it be yellow roses?  I will give you some credit though.  Some sources suggest LadyBird's flowers were white but they do appear to be yellow in the color photos.   The flower on LBJ's suit is white.

why would LBJ need a signal?

LBJ didn't need the signal, but the killers wouldn't have fired unless they had assurance from LBJ that he'd cover their backs....So the Red Rings were multipurpose....

A)  A reminder to JFK that he had betrayed the killers when he pulled the air cover that the CIA had promised would be there at Red beach at BOP.....The umbrella man with his umbrella, was also a reminder to JFK that he'd pulled the umbrella of air cover at BOP....
B) A signal to LBJ, that the trap was set and the patsy was staying out of sight on the first floor .....
C) LBJ's signal to the killers....Proceed....I'll cover your backs....
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Bill Chapman on February 14, 2019, 08:01:37 PM
That is tin foil hat nonsense even by prior low standards, but why would LBJ need a signal?  Even if he was involved in the assassination plot, he would see for himself if anything happened.  He was in the motorcade.  He wouldn't have any action to take in the act other than to become President if it succeeds.  If he needed a signal, however, why couldn't it be yellow roses?  I will give you some credit though.  Some sources suggest LadyBird's flowers were white but they do appear to be yellow in the color photos.   The flower on LBJ's suit is white.

Yeah, this takes the cake(bread)... surely one of the top OMG moments in tin foil hat history
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on February 14, 2019, 08:07:19 PM
why would LBJ need a signal?

LBJ didn't need the signal, but the killers wouldn't have fired unless they had assurance from LBJ that he'd cover their backs....So the Red Rings were multipurpose....

A)  A reminder to JFK that he had betrayed the killers when he pulled the air cover that the CIA had promised would be there at Red beach at BOP.....The umbrella was also a reminder to JFK that he'd pulled the umbrella of air cover at BOP....
B) A signal to LBJ, that the trap was set and the patsy was staying out of sight on the first floor .....
C) LBJ's signal to the killers....Proceed....I'll cover your backs....

This is where I hope you are putting us on.  Imagine all this last second skulduggery after months or years of setting up Oswald.  It is laughable Maxwell Smart nonsense.   It's hard to pick my favorite part but what exactly would your fantasy conspirators have done with the red rings and roses had their patsy not been "out of sight" at the fatal moment.  Would they have leaned out the windows and removed them as the motorcade swept past?  Whew.  I also like the part where JFK is given a "reminder that he betrayed the killers."  How exactly would the red rings do that?  Even assuming JFK had superhuman powers of observation and noticed the rings in the window of one building among hundreds along the motorcade route, how would this remind him of the BOP?  Absurd.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 14, 2019, 09:27:13 PM
This is where I hope you are putting us on.  Imagine all this last second skulduggery after months or years of setting up Oswald.  It is laughable Maxwell Smart nonsense.   It's hard to pick my favorite part but what exactly would your fantasy conspirators have done with the red rings and roses had their patsy not been "out of sight" at the fatal moment.  Would they have leaned out the windows and removed them as the motorcade swept past?  Whew.  I also like the part where JFK is given a "reminder that he betrayed the killers."  How exactly would the red rings do that?  Even assuming JFK had superhuman powers of observation and noticed the rings in the window of one building among hundreds along the motorcade route, how would this remind him of the BOP?  Absurd.

Psssst.... It wasn't last second skulduggery .... But it was the final step...  To insure that LBJ really was behind them and as the POTUS he could control the investigation... 

what exactly would your fantasy conspirators have done with the red rings and roses had their patsy not been "out of sight" at the fatal moment.

If Lee Oswald had been standing on the front step, or anyplace where a camera could have recorded his presence at the time that JFK was to be  murdered , the mission would have been aborted.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 14, 2019, 11:46:38 PM
That is tin foil hat nonsense even by prior low standards, but why would LBJ need a signal?  Even if he was involved in the assassination plot, he would see for himself if anything happened.  He was in the motorcade.  He wouldn't have any action to take in the act other than to become President if it succeeds.  If he needed a signal, however, why couldn't it be yellow roses?  I will give you some credit though.  Some sources suggest LadyBird's flowers were white but they do appear to be yellow in the color photos.   The flower on LBJ's suit is white.

Who said that the signal was for LBJ besides you? It would have been for the sniper teams.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 14, 2019, 11:49:34 PM
Yeah, this takes the cake(bread)... surely one of the top OMG moments in tin foil hat history

And yet, you can't explain why Mrs. Johnson received yellow roses while Jackie Kennedy received red roses when she received yellow ones the day before.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Paul May on February 15, 2019, 12:50:25 AM
And in your twisted mind this is somehow nefarious?  And on top of it, you want somebody else to explain it to you.  You are the poster boy for the tin hat society.  What an embarrassment you are to research.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Steve Howsley on February 15, 2019, 05:30:03 AM
And yet, you can't explain why Mrs. Johnson received yellow roses while Jackie Kennedy received red roses when she received yellow ones the day before.

Why don't you ask this question of the people you work with and see how long before they start avoiding eye contact with you?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on February 16, 2019, 01:56:48 AM
Who said that the signal was for LBJ besides you? It would have been for the sniper teams.

It's difficult to piece together your ramblings.  The roses were given to Jackie at Love Field.  Are you saying your fantasy "sniper team" needed a signal at Love Field?  They then jumped into their cars like the Wacky Racers and headed to DP to set up the kill?  Are you goofing on us to pass the time?  If you think there is even a one in a billion chance that anything like that happened, it is not a healthy sign.  As for LBJ, check with your kindred Walt.  He suggested LBJ was getting a signal.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Dale Nason on February 16, 2019, 02:46:22 AM
I don't think the color of any of the roses had ANYTHING to do with it Plain and simple . Red roses typically mean " LOVE". Yellow roses....friendship. But...I doubt they meant anything at all. Sorry...not my ' conspiracy angle" at all. I just think that's way too overboard.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 17, 2019, 06:25:42 AM
It's difficult to piece together your ramblings.  The roses were given to Jackie at Love Field.  Are you saying your fantasy "sniper team" needed a signal at Love Field?  They then jumped into their cars like the Wacky Racers and headed to DP to set up the kill?  Are you goofing on us to pass the time?  If you think there is even a one in a billion chance that anything like that happened, it is not a healthy sign.  As for LBJ, check with your kindred Walt.  He suggested LBJ was getting a signal.

The only wacky one here is you. You have failed to explain why Lady Bird Johnson received yellow roses at Love Field, but Jackie Kennedy received red roses. Well?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 17, 2019, 06:29:33 AM
I don't think the color of any of the roses had ANYTHING to do with it Plain and simple . Red roses typically mean " LOVE". Yellow roses....friendship. But...I doubt they meant anything at all. Sorry...not my ' conspiracy angle" at all. I just think that's way too overboard.

You're entitled to your opinion, but that is all that it is. Jackie Kennedy was given yellow roses on 11/21/63 so why was she given red roses on 11/22/63?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on February 17, 2019, 03:56:05 PM
The only wacky one here is you. You have failed to explain why Lady Bird Johnson received yellow roses at Love Field, but Jackie Kennedy received red roses. Well?

Caprio 101.  Make a ludicrous, baseless claim like the roses were a "signal" and then ask others to "explain" it to his subjective kooky satisfaction.  You claimed it was a "signal" to a "sniper team."  Why don't you explain that with "supporting evidence"?  It's absurd.  There is no significance to the roses that needs any explanation.  You should be ashamed. 
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 17, 2019, 07:11:57 PM
Caprio 101.  Make a ludicrous, baseless claim like the roses were a "signal" and then ask others to "explain" it to his subjective kooky satisfaction.  You claimed it was a "signal" to a "sniper team."  Why don't you explain that with "supporting evidence"?  It's absurd.  There is no significance to the roses that needs any explanation.  You should be ashamed.

It's NOT baseless as you falsely state. The entire trip, which included other motorcades, Jackie Kennedy received yellow roses, but in Dallas she is handed red roses. Why? Your failure to answer this question shows that you are the one making baseless statements.

For many years it was said by WC endorsers that they were out of yellow roses, but this is false (or a deliberate lie) for two reasons. Firstly, as I stated KLIF mentioned that Lady Bird Johnson received yellow roses (and this is supported by a photo that shows she is holding a bouquet of yellow roses). Secondly, the radio announcers said that the roses were flown in from California for the special occasion. Since they were flown in it is impossible that they were out of the yellow roses.

Once again you post nothing of value post after post.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Steve M. Galbraith on February 17, 2019, 07:29:14 PM
Psssst.... It wasn't last second skulduggery .... But it was the final step...  To insure that LBJ really was behind them and as the POTUS he could control the investigation... 

what exactly would your fantasy conspirators have done with the red rings and roses had their patsy not been "out of sight" at the fatal moment.

If Lee Oswald had been standing on the front step, or anyplace where a camera could have recorded his presence at the time that JFK was to be  murdered , the mission would have been aborted.
But "they" didn't plant witnesses in Dealey Plaza to identify Oswald as the shooter why?

You conspiracy people give all sorts of explanations of the framing of Oswald - this was planted, this was altered, witnesses were coerced or coached and on and on. But when we ask the simple question as to why they didn't plant a few witnesses to say he was the assassin of JFK you become silent. You believe the witnesses who said he shot Tippit were all coached or lied about what they saw. But having people say he shot JFK is just a bridge too far?

Please, take a step back for a second and just consider the question: Does that make sense? No planted witnesses to say they saw him shoot JFK?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Denis Pointing on February 17, 2019, 10:30:12 PM
...and you are dead.

I have been told, and I have read, over the years that Jackie Kennedy was given red roses because they were out of yellow ones. This sounds ridiculous, but I have accepted it despite her receiving yellow roses just the day before.

Imagine my surprise when listening to as it happened coverage on KLIF when hearing Lady Bird Johnson received YELLOW roses at Love Field upon arrival!

Those roses were a signal most likely IMO. Yellow=abort. Red=go.

 It seems if some members can't think of anything intelligent to post they just post any old crap. They're just not happy unless they post 20+ times a day. They need to get a life. Sad fu**s are a waste of forum space.

Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Steve Howsley on February 17, 2019, 10:36:18 PM
It seems if some members can't think of anything intelligent to post they just post any old crap. They're just not happy unless they post 20+ times a day. They need to get a life. Sad fu**s are a waste of forum space.


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Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Oscar Navarro on February 18, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
...and you are dead.

I have been told, and I have read, over the years that Jackie Kennedy was given red roses because they were out of yellow ones. This sounds ridiculous, but I have accepted it despite her receiving yellow roses just the day before.

Imagine my surprise when listening to as it happened coverage on KLIF when hearing Lady Bird Johnson received YELLOW roses at Love Field upon arrival!

Those roses were a signal most likely IMO. Yellow=abort. Red=go.

In conspiracy circles Green = go, Red = stop, yellow = caution. In this case the combination of red and yellow means green = go.... as in GRINGO, the super secret code that was meant for the anti-Castro Cuban snipers to proceed with the plan.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 18, 2019, 10:22:57 PM
In conspiracy circles Green = go, Red = stop, yellow = caution. In this case the combination of red and yellow means green = go.... as in GRINGO, the super secret code that was meant for the anti-Castro Cuban snipers to proceed with the plan.

Why do you consistently reply when you cannot answer the question asked?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Oscar Navarro on February 19, 2019, 04:18:00 PM
Why do you consistently reply when you cannot answer the question asked?

I have supplied you with the super secret code and with those responsible for executing the deed and this is the thanks I get.  :-[
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: John Iacoletti on February 19, 2019, 10:05:45 PM
And yet, you can't explain why Mrs. Johnson received yellow roses while Jackie Kennedy received red roses when she received yellow ones the day before.

The red roses went better with her suit?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 20, 2019, 04:21:35 AM
I have supplied you with the super secret code and with those responsible for executing the deed and this is the thanks I get.  :-[

You still have provided no answer to my question.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 20, 2019, 04:24:37 AM
The red roses went better with her suit?

How did they know this in advance?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Steve Logan on February 20, 2019, 02:31:46 PM
Why was Jackie given Red Roses in Dallas:

?They were Baccara roses, a hybrid tea variety introduced in 1954 by French grower Francis Meilland, which became popular for cutting, Keffer said. One variant of the deep red rose was named Jacqueline.?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Dale Nason on February 20, 2019, 09:56:03 PM
Again, I see no significance to the roses. They were red. Fine. I buy red roses all the time. My wife loves them. Doesn't mean anything more than that I've given her red roses. If I got her yellow roses, she would be just as happy. I just don't see any connection to a " conspiracy " with the roses.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 21, 2019, 10:14:05 PM
Why was Jackie given Red Roses in Dallas:

?They were Baccara roses, a hybrid tea variety introduced in 1954 by French grower Francis Meilland, which became popular for cutting, Keffer said. One variant of the deep red rose was named Jacqueline.?

So the cities the day before didn't know this or didn't care I guess.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Dale Nason on February 22, 2019, 12:52:34 AM
Rob.... I never contested you. Just stated my opinion. Apparently, you want everyone who is not in total agreement with you to be out of here. What you don't realize is  that for the most part I agree with most of your posts. But apparently, you only accept those who agree totally with you without exception. sorry...that's not the way life works. You have a lot to learn little boy.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on February 23, 2019, 11:51:45 PM
The red roses went better with her suit?

Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 26, 2019, 04:11:26 PM
Rob.... I never contested you. Just stated my opinion. Apparently, you want everyone who is not in total agreement with you to be out of here. What you don't realize is  that for the most part I agree with most of your posts. But apparently, you only accept those who agree totally with you without exception. sorry...that's not the way life works. You have a lot to learn little boy.

Yes, you gave your opinion TWICE. Here is the second time.

"Again, I see no significance to the roses. They were red. Fine. I buy red roses all the time. My wife loves them. Doesn't mean anything more than that I've given her red roses. If I got her yellow roses, she would be just as happy. I just don't see any connection to a " conspiracy " with the roses."

People who usually give nothing but their opinion only do it once. You felt the need to do it twice. This can be taken as trying to dismiss the issue and end the discussion.

I don't know you from Adam, but in typical LNer fashion you pass judgment on me. Again,  if you see nothing odd here then don't participate. It is that easy.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 26, 2019, 04:16:14 PM
It was suggested that maybe the red roses went with Jackie Kennedy's outfit. A KBOX as it happened report stated that the red roses *clashed* with her outfit.

I am not a fashion designer so I don't know,  but I wanted to mention this.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on February 26, 2019, 04:32:33 PM
It was suggested that maybe the red roses went with Jackie Kennedy's outfit. A KBOX as it happened report stated that the red roses *clashed* with her outfit.

I am not a fashion designer so I don't know,  but I wanted to mention this.

This may be your greatest contributions to the case since you asked how the limo knew the way to Parkland and cast dispersion on the notion that they simply followed the DPD motorcycles.   Time well spent.  I'm still waiting for your follow up "research" on why the firetrucks showed up at the TSBD with the implication that the real assassin escaped dressed as a firefighter.  That was comedy gold.  Firetrucks are also red.  So that must be a signal as well.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on February 26, 2019, 10:40:01 PM
This may be your greatest contributions to the case since you asked how the limo knew the way to Parkland and cast dispersion on the notion that they simply followed the DPD motorcycles.   Time well spent.  I'm still waiting for your follow up "research" on why the firetrucks showed up at the TSBD with the implication that the real assassin escaped dressed as a firefighter.  That was comedy gold.  Firetrucks are also red.  So that must be a signal as well.

And yet, a local reporter at the TSBD shortly after the assassination posed the same question. Why was a firetruck there? All these years later and Smith has never provided a viable answer.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on February 26, 2019, 11:11:20 PM
And yet, a local reporter at the TSBD shortly after the assassination posed the same question. Why was a firetruck there? All these years later and Smith has never provided a viable answer.

Let me guess.  You are not making any claim or implying that the fire trucks are involved in the assassination/conspiracy.  You are just asking questions and then dismissing any non-conspiracy explanation.  My recollection on the fire trucks is that the ladders and lights were used to help search the ceilings of the TSBD.   In particular, a "loft" above the 7th floor.  I think Gary Mack or someone indicated that was the case to you years ago.  But who cares unless you are implying that it relates to a conspiracy?  And the plan was for the real assassin to wait around the building dressed as firefighter until they showed up and then somehow blend in with them to escape hours later!  Don't you think the firefighters might notice a phony in their midst?  Comedy gold. 

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth532627/m1/1/
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on February 28, 2019, 01:58:12 PM
And yet, a local reporter at the TSBD shortly after the assassination posed the same question. Why was a firetruck there? All these years later and Smith has never provided a viable answer.

Will you be getting back to us on the report of the firefighter that they were asked to assist in the search of the TSBD by providing equipment such as lights and ladders?  After all these years don't you want to put this "question" to rest with a viable answer? 

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth532627/m1/1/
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Dale Nason on February 28, 2019, 11:28:12 PM
Yes, you gave your opinion TWICE. Here is the second time.

"Again, I see no significance to the roses. They were red. Fine. I buy red roses all the time. My wife loves them. Doesn't mean anything more than that I've given her red roses. If I got her yellow roses, she would be just as happy. I just don't see any connection to a " conspiracy " with the roses."

People who usually give nothing but their opinion only do it once. You felt the need to do it twice. This can be taken as trying to dismiss the issue and end the discussion.

I don't know you from Adam, but in typical LNer fashion you pass judgment on me. Again,  if you see nothing odd here then don't participate. It is that easy.
Uh, Rob, I'm not a LNer. Actually more of a CTer. Your Bad!
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on March 01, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
Will you be getting back to us on the report of the firefighter that they were asked to assist in the search of the TSBD by providing equipment such as lights and ladders?  After all these years don't you want to put this "question" to rest with a viable answer? 

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth532627/m1/1/

I would surmise that when the power was cut off in the TSBD .....That outage triggered a fire alarm at the fire station.    I do know that this is SOP in many office buildings and hotels.....   
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Walt Cakebread on March 01, 2019, 01:34:37 PM
Uh, Rob, I'm not a LNer. Actually more of a CTer. Your Bad!

Rob has difficulty discerning the difference between a Warren Commission apologist, and a Warren Committee Critique .......And that's a shame, because he attacks his fellow critiques and aids the apologists....   
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 04, 2019, 03:32:48 AM
Let me guess.  You are not making any claim or implying that the fire trucks are involved in the assassination/conspiracy.  You are just asking questions and then dismissing any non-conspiracy explanation.  My recollection on the fire trucks is that the ladders and lights were used to help search the ceilings of the TSBD.   In particular, a "loft" above the 7th floor.  I think Gary Mack or someone indicated that was the case to you years ago.  But who cares unless you are implying that it relates to a conspiracy?  And the plan was for the real assassin to wait around the building dressed as firefighter until they showed up and then somehow blend in with them to escape hours later!  Don't you think the firefighters might notice a phony in their midst?  Comedy gold. 

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth532627/m1/1/

Just answer the question. So speculation is all that you have, but you feel comfortable enough to mock me.

There was NO fire at the TSBD, so why was a fire truck there?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 04, 2019, 03:38:35 AM
Will you be getting back to us on the report of the firefighter that they were asked to assist in the search of the TSBD by providing equipment such as lights and ladders?  After all these years don't you want to put this "question" to rest with a viable answer? 

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth532627/m1/1/

This doesn't settle the issue as we can't establish that the fire truck seen on film was this guy's truck. Furthermore,  why would the DPD and the FBI need firefighters to help in the search for an assassin or assassins? Is this a normal job for firefighters?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 04, 2019, 03:39:41 AM
Uh, Rob, I'm not a LNer. Actually more of a CTer. Your Bad!

Your behavior says otherwise.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on March 04, 2019, 05:31:36 PM
This doesn't settle the issue as we can't establish that the fire truck seen on film was this guy's truck. Furthermore,  why would the DPD and the FBI need firefighters to help in the search for an assassin or assassins? Is this a normal job for firefighters?


LOL.  This is why it is impossible to have a constructive conversation.  Rob asked for a plausible explanation as to why the fire department responded to the TSBD.  There is a detailed account from a firefighter involved explaining that they were asked for equipment to assist in the search - lights and ladders. Rob dismisses this obvious and documented explanation out of hand by asking if this is a "normal" job for firefighters. As though presidential assassinations were common in Dallas and there would be some precedent.  Complete kookery.  The explanation has been provided and documented. In the meantime, he entertains the completely baseless fantasy that the fire department was somehow involved in the conspiracy. 
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 04, 2019, 09:47:03 PM

LOL.  This is why it is impossible to have a constructive conversation.  Rob asked for a plausible explanation as to why the fire department responded to the TSBD.  There is a detailed account from a firefighter involved explaining that they were asked for equipment to assist in the search - lights and ladders. Rob dismisses this obvious and documented explanation out of hand by asking if this is a "normal" job for firefighters. As though presidential assassinations were common in Dallas and there would be some precedent.  Complete kookery.  The explanation has been provided and documented. In the meantime, he entertains the completely baseless fantasy that the fire department was somehow involved in the conspiracy.

It is impossible to have a conversation with you because you never cite any evidence. If a firetruck was needed as you claim then cite a call for one in the DPD dispatch log.

By the way, your claim isn't reasonable as firefighters aren't called in to search for assassins.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on March 05, 2019, 02:17:19 PM
It is impossible to have a conversation with you because you never cite any evidence. If a firetruck was needed as you claim then cite a call for one in the DPD dispatch log.

By the way, your claim isn't reasonable as firefighters aren't called in to search for assassins.

You have made a baseless implication that there was something sinister about the fire department responding to the TSBD.  That is totally lacking in any substantive support.  But miracle of miracles, we actually have an account from one of the firefighters at the scene who explains that they were asked for equipment to assist in the search of the building.  He explains in detail the specific tasks they were assigned.  This is the first and only presidential assassination that I'm aware of to occur in Texas much less Dallas.  So insisting that there must be some prior precedent for this unique historical situation to satisfy your subjective baseless opinion to the contrary that the fire department was "involved" or not acting "normal" is ludicrous.  Absent a time machine, there doesn't appear to be any evidence that can unconvince you of this fantasy.  If you believe there is a DPD dispatch log that can bolster your otherwise baseless claim that they should not have responded, then provide it.  Otherwise the existent record confirms why and what the fire department was doing.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 05, 2019, 11:24:06 PM
You have made a baseless implication that there was something sinister about the fire department responding to the TSBD.  That is totally lacking in any substantive support.  But miracle of miracles, we actually have an account from one of the firefighters at the scene who explains that they were asked for equipment to assist in the search of the building.  He explains in detail the specific tasks they were assigned.  This is the first and only presidential assassination that I'm aware of to occur in Texas much less Dallas.  So insisting that there must be some prior precedent for this unique historical situation to satisfy your subjective baseless opinion to the contrary that the fire department was "involved" or not acting "normal" is ludicrous.  Absent a time machine, there doesn't appear to be any evidence that can unconvince you of this fantasy.  If you believe there is a DPD dispatch log that can bolster your otherwise baseless claim that they should not have responded, then provide it.  Otherwise the existent record confirms why and what the fire department was doing.

You have made a baseless claim that a firetruck was called to the TSBD to assist in looking for an assassin or assassins. So far you haven't supported this in the least.

I have not made a claim as *you* brought up the firetruck. I simply wondered why it was there and so did the radio reporter.

You constantly make it about me instead of dealing with the record.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on March 06, 2019, 05:43:26 PM
You have made a baseless claim that a firetruck was called to the TSBD to assist in looking for an assassin or assassins. So far you haven't supported this in the least.

I have not made a claim as *you* brought up the firetruck. I simply wondered why it was there and so did the radio reporter.

You constantly make it about me instead of dealing with the record.

How exactly is it "baseless" when there is a detailed report from a firefighter explaining why they were called to the TSBD and what they were asked to do?  Unreal.  A firefighter has provided a direct answer.  How more could it be supported than having an explanation from a participant in question?  You, on the other hand, have offered zero evidence that the presence of the fire department had anything to do with a conspiracy or frame up except for your baseless subjective opinion that it was not "normal."  How about being reasonable for once and saying ok strike that one from the endless list of fantasies? 
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Michael O'Brian on March 09, 2019, 10:56:27 PM
You're entitled to your opinion, but that is all that it is. Jackie Kennedy was given yellow roses on 11/21/63 so why was she given red roses on 11/22/63?

I would agree with you that this was some sort of signal to a sniper team, and I think umberella man was as well
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Michael O'Brian on March 09, 2019, 11:05:59 PM
Why was Jackie given Red Roses in Dallas:

?They were Baccara roses, a hybrid tea variety introduced in 1954 by French grower Francis Meilland, which became popular for cutting, Keffer said. One variant of the deep red rose was named Jacqueline.?

Well if it isn't robocop, howde constable I hope you are well.
I hope you can remember a long time ago I got a link in a pm from you, it had some great photos in it, one in particular I had never seen before, Oswald was in it before he was taken outside to the carpool on the morning Ruby shot him, and Fritz is seen whispering into someones ear. If you can produce it again I would be delighted.
up the Irish.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 10, 2019, 01:41:23 AM
How exactly is it "baseless" when there is a detailed report from a firefighter explaining why they were called to the TSBD and what they were asked to do?  Unreal.  A firefighter has provided a direct answer.  How more could it be supported than having an explanation from a participant in question?  You, on the other hand, have offered zero evidence that the presence of the fire department had anything to do with a conspiracy or frame up except for your baseless subjective opinion that it was not "normal."  How about being reasonable for once and saying ok strike that one from the endless list of fantasies?

Because his say-so isn't evidence. Cite a call from the DPD dispatch log calling a firetruck to assist in looking for an assassin or assassins or move along. You have hijacked the thread enough.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 10, 2019, 01:42:52 AM
I would agree with you that this was some sort of signal to a sniper team, and I think umberella man was as well

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Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Paul May on March 10, 2019, 02:52:07 AM
Roses are red....
Violets are blue....
Caprio is a documented identity thief....
And he may be after you...
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on March 11, 2019, 12:43:52 PM
Because his say-so isn't evidence. Cite a call from the DPD dispatch log calling a firetruck to assist in looking for an assassin or assassins or move along. You have hijacked the thread enough.

The "say-so" of the very person whose actions you have questioned isn't evidence?  What exactly is it?  The fireman who was involved explained in detail what was requested and why they were present.  You provided no real evidence of anything here except your baseless, subjective opinion that it was not "normal" for the fire department to respond "looking for an assassin."  How many prior presidential assassinations have occurred in Dallas that would form any basis for that comparison?  Have you searched any dispatch log to confirm whether there is any notion that a firetruck was called?  Why would such a request be contained in such a log?  How would its absence cast any doubt of the report of the fireman who was there?  Don't you believe it was entirely possible for someone to make such a request without it being contained in a log book?
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Rob Caprio on March 14, 2019, 10:29:15 PM
The "say-so" of the very person whose actions you have questioned isn't evidence?  What exactly is it?  The fireman who was involved explained in detail what was requested and why they were present.  You provided no real evidence of anything here except your baseless, subjective opinion that it was not "normal" for the fire department to respond "looking for an assassin."  How many prior presidential assassinations have occurred in Dallas that would form any basis for that comparison?  Have you searched any dispatch log to confirm whether there is any notion that a firetruck was called?  Why would such a request be contained in such a log?  How would its absence cast any doubt of the report of the fireman who was there?  Don't you believe it was entirely possible for someone to make such a request without it being contained in a log book?

So this is your long winded way of saying that you have NO supporting evidence for your claim. Got it.
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: Richard Smith on March 14, 2019, 11:26:21 PM
So this is your long winded way of saying that you have NO supporting evidence for your claim. Got it.

The supporting evidence is the detailed report of the fireman whose actions are at question.  Got that?  The person lacking ANY evidence here is you.  Instead, as usual, you have provided your baseless subjective opinion and asked others to rebut it with evidence.  And when that has been done you dismiss the evidence like some type of automated challenge response system incapable of independent cognitive functions.  Simply repeating the same message over and over again.   
Title: Re: Roses Are Red...
Post by: John Iacoletti on March 14, 2019, 11:30:48 PM
Simply repeating the same message over and over again.

Says the guy who repeats "mountain of evidence" over and over again.