So hard to get this down to five but here are mine:
Conspiracy - Anthony Summers
Oswald And The CIA - Newman
Our Man In Mexico City - Jeff Morley
Marina And Lee - By Mrs Oswald
The Death of A President - William Manchester
What are yours and why?
"Marina And Lee - By Mrs Oswald" Why do you consider that book to be "authored" by Oswald's widow? In wording the "authorship", why, since that book was finally published a dozen years after she became Mrs. Porter, do you type "Mrs. Oswald"? Not a criticism, only wondering if you had a reason other than to avoid confusion of the "Mrs. Porter", who's that?!
Without Mrs Oswald, there wouldn't be a book - just Priscilla McMillan giving her own opinion. ...
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https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/11/us/clark-clifford-a-major-adviser-to-four-presidents-is-dead-at-91.html
Clark Clifford, a Major Adviser To Four Presidents, Is Dead at 91
By Marilyn Berger Oct. 11, 1998
...President Johnson was hardly in office 24 hours when he called for Mr. Clifford. Faced with the sudden and enormous task of running the country after Kennedy's assassination, Johnson talked with Mr. Clifford for two hours, then three, then four. It was late in the evening, Mr. Clifford remembered, when Lady Bird Johnson entered the Oval Office and reminded her husband, ''Just because you're President now doesn't mean you don't have to eat dinner.''...
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2-1/2 years later, Clark Cilfford's first cousin JoAnne McAdams
filed a lawsuit against that man, her stepfather Jerome Jerre Hastings Hasty, his friend David Davenport,
and several doctors for involuntarily committing her to the State of New Mexico mental hospital.
No one reacts to those facts because they do not know what to make of them despite the uncontested
facts that support all of that as true!
Caprio and company must read it in a 40 year old book to embrace it unconditionally.QuoteLas Vegas Optic from Las Vegas, New Mexico on July 31, 1967 ? Page 1
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Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr. Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the ...
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Marina Oswald (left), widow of Lee Harvey Oswald, with friend Jerre Hastings (center) and Priscilla Johnson McMillan. McMillan befriended Oswald after the assassination of JFK. (JOSH REYNOLDS/JOSH REYNOLDS PHOTO)
1954 Obit:
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Alton Evening Telegraph ? 21 December 1950 ? Page 18
....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.QuoteChicago Tribune - Aug 16, 19541940 U.S. Census snippet of a household in New Trier (Winnetka)Illinois:
RIES William Douglas McAdims Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67, of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr. McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ... three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite Borregaard.....
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On April 26, 1940, Jerome A Hastings was a 29 year old man who was born in Wisconsin and was employed as a buyer at a country club. His education level was C2, two years of college. Hastings' annual income was just over $300. In 1935 his residence was in Flemington, NJ.
On May 18, Jerome Hasty was a 29 year old man who was born in Wisconsin and was employed as a officer at a country club. His education level was C1, one year of college. Hasty's annual income was just over $600. In 1935 his residence was in Carmel-by-the-Sea, CAL.
26 years later, Jerome Allen Hasty files a notice of legal change of name from Hasty to Hastings:
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I think the question anyone interested in events related to the 13 years long "book project" should be asking is, was it a book, or an "Op" intersecting other "Ops"?
The book "Marina And Lee" though more or less matches her testimony. It also matches Norman Mailers interviews of her for his book "Oswalds Tale" in the 1990's. I don't think Marina had anything of value to hide if the assassination was a government organized assassination. Lee never seemed to keep Marina in on his activities.The second part of "Oswald's Tale", as you know, is about the Oswald's lives upon his/their return to the US. The first part is about Oswald in the Soviet Union and about the lives and histories of many of the people he met when there. And about the efforts by the KGB to figure out who this odd Oswald person was.
The second part of "Oswald's Tale", as you know, is about the Oswald's lives upon his/their return to the US. The first part is about Oswald in the Soviet Union and about the lives and histories of many of the people he met when there. And about the efforts by the KGB to figure out who this odd Oswald person was.
Mailer paid, if I recall correctly, about $60,000 to Priscilla McMillan Johnson for the rights to use her work in his book. Almost all of that second part of his work, as I see it, is straight out of her book "Lee and Marina." There's very little original material from Mailer other than his own interpretations and conclusions about what happened.
Mailer said that Marina's memory was "almost completely shattered" by all of the media and books that have come out. So I don't think her account, for him, was worth much. It's a useful but terribly flawed book. "Marina and Lee", on the other hand, is for me tremendously valuable.
Another good book to me is Thomas Mallon's "Mrs. Paine's Garage." This is quite helpful on explaining - as best as we can figure it out - Oswald's thinking those last two months leading up to the assassination. Mallon is also a terrific prose writer too; so it's a good read.
Mailer discussed his interviews with Marina here: https://www.c-span.org/video/?64863-1/oswalds-tale-american-mystery&start=1946. It's at the roughly 33:00 minute mark.
Students Don Ear Muffs to Shut Out Band Music
Daily Boston Globe - Aug 14, 1947
... rhumba music yesterday asked the Boston Licensing Board to shut down
the Hotel ... one of 16 Tech students livings in the adjoining Sigma Chi
fraternity house ... Other student were Thomas Devine of Rochester who
told of taking refuge in ..
https://web.archive.org/web/20160406175946/http://sigmachi.mit.edu/docs/beaver_sigs/BeaverSig-spring2009.pdf
Page four, left column:
Later, in Maryland,
we visited Barbara Coit, the recent
widow of another Alpha Theta Sig,
Garry Coit ’46, who died in February
2008.”
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The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a Global ...
Jeffrey A. Engel - 2011 - History
Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.5 All I know now is to do the best job one can here. There is no ...
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All that Lord described that is directly material to the charge of Bush and those closest to him literally muscling Lord
in 1976, is on the table. However, I am now convinced after this week the haves are so far ahead, it cannot even be
a contest, anymore.
First, the core accusation, hyper curiousity displayed by team Bush towards Lord knowledge, as the HSCA geared up
and it had become clear republicans would lose control of the presidency and of the CIA. This answers the question
of why risk rattling Billy Lord's cage if you were among the innermost Bush circle?
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Jim Beamis, full of advice for Hurt as described in the Lord letter is a slam dunk match for Bush Kennebunkport
summer neighbor and lifelong friend.:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65388323/fitzgerald-bemiss
FitzGerald Bemiss
BIRTH 2 Oct 1922
DEATH 7 Feb 2011 (aged 88)
BURIAL Hollywood Cemetery
Richmond, Richmond City, Virginia, USA
https://jfkfacts.org/exchange-on-the-bush-did-it-theory/#comment-861586
Tom S. March 7, 2016 at 5:47 pm
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Feb 2, 1977 – was in the offing through two Midland men: Mr. Jim Allison, publisher of the ultra- … Mr. Beamis (?), chairman of the Republican Party in Virginia and owner of “a string of hotels” in that state, for help in persuading me to tell ….. Billy Joe Lord on 11/30/63, and two copies of an affidavit of a Billy Joe Lord as it
The researcher (Henry Hurt) said he had asked an acquaintance, a Mr. Beamis (?), chairman of the Republican Party in Virginia and owner of “a string of hotels” in that state, for help in persuading me to tell what I know, about Oswald….
....Forgive me, but my expectation of a reasonable person is if they were actually considering what I presented and responding to it, they might ask, “why do you think “Jim Beamis” was Bush’s extremely close friend and close political advisor, Gerry Bemiss?
continued
The Manchester Affair
Okay then, Steve.... I'll just have to accept the "tightness" of this "ball of yarn" as mere coincidence, or is it you who simply ignores what cannot be dealt with comfortably and conveniently? The FBI hierarchy and WC managers got a much closer look at Marina when it mattered and certainly disagreed with Margaret's, and I assume your similar high (or neutral) opinion of her.Tom: My post was responding to the other poster, Ms. Kelly not yours.
Using just these two items as contradictory benchmarks to your opinions, I have to wonder if the three of us, so far participating in this thread, breath the same air, on the same planet.
The first item is the background of Priscilla's HSCA testimony that her progress on the book was impeded by the "concealed suicide" in 1969 of her father, Stuart. I would think the background details of the last person to see Priscilla's father alive, considering her HSCA testimony, the same individual who reported Stuart as missing, to police, would be an object of increased interest to HSCA, but instead, Priscilla's testimony was classified as secret, and was "buried".
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The second is this, unless you can make yourself believe Priscilla did not know, in 1978, that her first cousin David Coit Davenport was CIA, but WC witness Sam Ballen, a friend of DeMohrenschildt, did just happen to know that Davenport was CIA.
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Two people, Priscilla and Sam, who had met and briefly interacted with an obscure, "lone nut" who was simply attempting to make a name for himself that he anticipated would live on in infamy.... reunite at a dinner table. If the walls had ears.....
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Unless I am misreading Davenport's obit, doesn't the top portion of the middle column describe a "career in intelligence"?
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I've already documented that Priscilla placed herself and Marina in Davenport's "custody" in anticipation of the imminent release of the WCR, and that Davenport assigned his Santa Fe friend Jerome Allen Hasty AKA Hastings to shadow the two ladies, and that Hastings and Davenport were accused by the first cousin of Clark Clifford of setting her up, a year later, in 1965, for involuntary commitment to a New Mexico state mental institution.
More on Tom Devine..... https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=WUBRINY-1
his M.I.T. frat mate happened to become Priscilla's CIA handler....
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The bond of the 16 Sigma Chi frat housemates was apparently strong and quite enduring, even 64 years later!
Lawsuit over little bridge still cutts wide chasm in Shore town
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-07-31-1992213129-story.html
Jul 31, 1992 - ... opposing the bridge are Mr. Becker, a retired aviation lawyer; L. Garry and Barbara M. Coit, two former Central Intelligence Agency officials; .
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95706&relPageId=3
PARTIAL CONTACT REPORT ON MEETING WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON 30-31 JAN 196 pg 1
WITH PRISCILLA JOHNSON 30-31 JAN 196 N 3/3/1964 COIT GARRY
"Dear Priscilla" https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=14786#relPageId=2&tab=page
CIA FROM GARRY TO PRISCILLA TITLE LETTER RE
RIF#: 104-10135-10090 (03/02/65) CIA#: 80T0135
LETTER, "I AM TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER SECTION" AND GIVING NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON TO CONTACT IN THE FUTURE pg 1
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 49
ORIGINATOR CIA FROM COIT GARRY TO PRISCILLA TITLE LETTER "I AM TRANSFERRING TO ANOTHER SECTION AND GIVING NAME OF ANOTHER PERSON TO CONTACT IN THE FUTURE DATE 06/18/65 PAGES 1 SUBJECTS
RIF#: 104-10135-10092 (06/18/65) CIA#: 80T01357A
Dec. 6 specially decorated Bush '41 Train engine, was Billy Joe Lord on board?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?action=post;quote=38753;topic=1439.0
A question I asked Dr. John McAdams during a discussion about Billy Joe Lord's early 1977 letter to President Jimmy Carter....
....Forgive me, but my expectation of a reasonable person is if they were actually considering what I presented and responding to it, they might ask, “why do you think “Jim Beamis” was Bush’s extremely close friend and close political advisor, Gerry Bemiss?
continued
Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F Kennedy[/b],by Vincent Bugliosi **
**I haven't actually read Bugliosi's book from beginning to end because it's too damn long.
Same here. Its 2500 pages long when you include the notes PDF that comes in CD format with the book. Though the notes are eminently readable in and of themselves. Lots of useful info in there.
The book organizes the events (usually chronologically) which helps in finding items of interest. And the source notes are plentiful, which makes verification and additional details easier to locate. I am considering getting the kindle version because the kindle has search capabilities of its own. And I suspect that it also has links integrated into the source notes (that are in the text of the book). If so, this would greatly enhance the user experience by making the source notes instantly accessible. Does anyone use the kindle version?
I don't see the kindle version on Amazon? I'd be suspicious of it though. The audible version of the book is not of the entire book but only the first section of the book. It might be that the kindle version only covers the first section too. That would be no good to you.
The enhanced typesetting is indicated to be “enabled” which, I think, means that the source notes in the text would be live links to the actual source notes. (But I am not sure about that.) Anyway, it is tempting to buy it for that aspect even though I have the printed version. I just haven’t pulled the trigger yet.
Yes, the Kindle version has links to the source notes.
So hard to get this down to five but here are mine:
Conspiracy - Anthony Summers
Oswald And The CIA - Newman
Our Man In Mexico City - Jeff Morley
Marina And Lee - By Mrs Oswald
The Death of A President - William Manchester
What are yours and why?
Books?
Best "authors" were at EF:
There is one more book, that I think is the best JFK assassination book ever, not because I agree with it's conclusions, but because it takes a fairly outre' notion and makes a surprisingly gripping personal narrative about it. That book is Best Evidence.
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned 'Accessories After The Fact' by Sylvia Meagher, published in 1967.
I'm working my way through it at the moment, and I think it's terriffic!
**I haven't actually read Bugliosi's book from beginning to end because it's too damn long.
I haven't actually read Bugliosi's book from beginning to end because it's too damn long.
People are better off reading Posner. It’s the same argument made much more succinctly without all of the tedious repetition and rhetoric.Or you could take both books and go supply some port-o-lets :-\
Or you could take both books and go supply some port-o-lets :-\
I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned 'Accessories After The Fact' by Sylvia Meagher, published in 1967.
I'm working my way through it at the moment, and I think it's terriffic!
Tom: My post was responding to the other poster, Ms. Kelly not yours.
I have no idea what Bush and Beamis and this or that has to do with what Mailer and/or McMillan wrote or what the best books on the assassination are. I think your material is for a different thread.
Posner and Bugliosi are well studied in the assassination but they don't allow all the evidence to have its say. That's their big downfall.
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Who's who in Commerce and Industry - Volume 14 - Page 87
1965
FOUND INSIDE - PAGE 87
Va.. Apr. 9, 1915; s. BrianJoseph and Mabel (Johnson) В.: R.S. in Ci-iiistry. U. Va., 1936. B.S. in Chem. En- grinr. ... BEMISS. Fitz Gera Id, hotel and retail store exec, state senator; b. Richmond, Va., Oct. 2, 1922; s. Samuel Merrifield and ...
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ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY In ...
the Hotel Hoorn and slootro hoe the transcript then was absolutely ... Mr. Bemis (?), chairman of the Republican Party in Virginia and owner of "a string of hotels... Billy Joe Lord on 11/30/63, and two copies of an affidavit of a Billy Joe Lord as it ...
Posner and Bugliosi are well studied in the assassination but they don't allow all the evidence to have its say. That's their big downfall.
Posner and Bugliosi are well studied in the assassination but they don't allow all the evidence to have its say. That's their big downfall.
It's been listed twice before in this thread.Meagher's entire view of the assassination, the view that colored her interpretation of it, can be summed up by her admission that after hearing about the shooting that she said, "I know they'll blame a communist for this."
It used to be a favorite of mine. But the book evaluates evidence through an ultra-liberal anti-authority lens. The Commission and police are always painted in a dark light and she's not adverse to introducing her own assumptions.
It is terribly in need of updating, as when she faults the Commission for not publishing (or examining "so far as is known") the photographs and films of Hugh Betzner, Robert J. Hughes and Ralph Simpson (p 25-26). The first two were published in Life magazine a few months after Meagher's book came out, and the Commission determined that "Ralph Simpson" was a prank caller. On page 26, she charges the documentary "Four Days in November" with suppressing a sound track that could "resolve the problems of how many shots were fired, and of the interval between the shots." As if to suggest a cover-up, Meagher writes: "The Warren Report, like the sound track at the crucial moment, is silent." I figure reasonable researchers watching "Four Days in November" would figure out the crowd and motorcycle noises were generic and dubbed.
None of this to do with Betzner, Hughes, "Simpson" and "Four Days" is corrected or amended in the book's 1976 reprint. Yet she faults the Commission for "disbanding" so as not to keep pace with developments.
Posner and Bugliosi are well studied in the assassination but they don't allow all the evidence to have its say. That's their big downfall.***Insert Gary Coleman catchphrase***
So hard to get this down to five but here are mine:
Conspiracy - Anthony Summers
Oswald And The CIA - Newman
Our Man In Mexico City - Jeff Morley
Marina And Lee - By Mrs Oswald
The Death of A President - William Manchester
What are yours and why?
Its possible to read something and find it valuable even if you disagree with it
PS Why would anyone like anything by Jefferson "Nosenko Was A True Defector" Morley?
Have you read my one-star Amazon review, under the username dumptrumputin, of his abominable book The Ghost?
I think Morley is well read in the JFK assassination. I don't think he'd fall under the category of conspiracy theorist. He seems to be logical.
I think Morley is well read in the JFK assassination. I don't think he'd fall under the category of conspiracy theorist. He seems to be logical.As I read him, Morley's not a conspiracist. Unless he's changed in recent weeks.
As to Nosenko: Lots of people believe in the legitimacy of Nosenko and are lone assassin believers. Nosenko may have been a triple agent; he may have lied about the KGB relationship with Oswald. But that's not connecting the KGB to Oswald's acts.
In the book Passport To Assassination, Nechiporenko says that Nosenko was a drunk who only rose to the heights he did in the KGB because his dad got him there. Then Nosenko left his wife and kids (the first woman he got pregnant he simply up and left without marrying her) in the USSR and defected to the USA where he drank some more at the expense of the American taxpayer while in CIA custody.
Nosenko was probably hard to figure out because he would make up anything and everything to anyone.
The point surely is to read various sources and think for yourself , thereby avoiding becoming a fan boi of either Mr Putin or the CIA ...
In the book Passport To Assassination, Nechiporenko says that Nosenko was a drunk who only rose to the heights he did in the KGB because his dad got him there. Then Nosenko left his wife and kids (the first woman he got pregnant he simply up and left without marrying her) in the USSR and defected to the USA where he drank some more at the expense of the american taxpayer while in CIA custody.Oleg Kalugin - who was in charge of all KGB operations in the US and later defected to America - said the same thing. He said Nosenko's father was a high ranking official under Stalin and had helped promote him. And that he was a drunk and womanizer who was held in low regard but that he did have access to some information that was damaging.
Nosenko was probably hard to figure out because he would make up anything and everything to anyone.
Oleg Kalugin - who was in charge of all KGB operations in the US and later defected to America - said the same thing. He said Nosenko's father was a high ranking official under Stalin and had helped promote him. And that he was a drunk and womanizer who was held in low regard but that he did have access to some information that was damaging.
In his book, "Spy Master", Kalugin wrote this: "Nosenko's flight spread panic throughout the KGB. He was branded one of the great traitors of all time, and dozens of KGB officers stationed abroad who had had dealing with Nosenko were recalled. Six officers in the New York station (including myself) were yanked back to Moscow."
Nosenko's claims, from what I've read, were entirely inconsistent and illogical. He once said the KGB never interviewed Oswald but then later said he personally (!?) interviewed Oswald; he said the KGB never monitored Oswald but then said the KGB in Minsk watched Oswald. Completely different accounts. But why would the KGB send someone to say they had no relationship with Oswald? Just say he was questioned, watched closely, viewed as worthless, and sent back. That's a far better cover story (if there was one) than to say what Nosenko said.
The FBI had two very high agents inside the CPUSA: Morris and Jack Childs. Both were completely trusted by Soviet officials who let Morris handle communications and money deliveries between Moscow and the CPUSA. Morris was in Moscow at the time of the assassination and had access to very high level Soviet discussions about the event. The Soviets had complete trust with Morris and consulted him about how they should react. Morris said (from the book "Operation Solo") the Soviets were stunned by the assassination and that they gathered all of the information they had on Oswald. He said he found that the Soviets had no role in the assassination and were worried about being blamed for it.
I think the "Soviets were behind the assassination" theory has no basis whatsoever. Not at this point.
Steve's reply to my presentation of well documented evidence was disingenuous, but at least he replied. You haven't bothered, yet you say, "but they don't allow all the evidence to have its say. ....
In reply to Steve.... Bush thanks three people for meeting to discuss Bush's political future. One, Tom Devine, just happened, as the story goes, to have suddenly come out of long retired CIA officer status to meet with DeMohrenschildt just two weeks after the shooting attempt at Edwin Walker and several more contacts with George DeM. over the next few weeks, "reading in" Bush to segments of the WuBriny Op. Devine just happened to be one of 15 fraternity house residents of Priscilla's CIA handler, Garry Coit.
Another of the three at the 1975 meeting to decide Bush's political future was Bush's best friend. Gerry Bemiss. A kindergartner could glean what Steve claims he does not, out of the Bush "coincidences" in my post.
And of course, the intriguing item that apparently is not even suitable for discussion, anywhere, ever.... Priscilla testified she was unable to work for a time because her father's death was a concealed suicide. This was the sister of the last man, James A. Thomas, to see Priscilla's father alive and report hims missing to police..... The sister happened to be Eleanor Lansing Thomas, maid of honor and cousin, along with her brother, of Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles and his daughter, the bride.:
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Tom Devine's best man just happened to be William B. Macomber, Jr.... former CIA, former top aide to WC commissioner and Yale bonesman, Sen. John Sherman Cooper (R-KY), and top aide to John Foster Dulles. Macomber married another top aide of Dulles, Phyliss Bernau.
Apologies for the kindergarten reference, but it is in reply to Steve turning off his "learned" demeanor to denigrate me personally, reverting to his thoughtful, reasonable "side" after he pulls his, "Scully, I don't know what you're talking about, act."
I think Morley is well read in the JFK assassination. I don't think he'd fall under the category of conspiracy theorist. He seems to be logical.
Here's some good ones...
1, Accessories After the Fact by Sylvia Meagher (a smart lady looks at the facts)
2. Six Seconds in Dallas by Josiah Thompson (a brilliant philosophy professor re-examines the forensic evidence. Note while I disagree with many of my friend Tink's findings, there's no disputing he set a high bar.)
3. Post Mortem by Harold Weisberg (an almost Fellini-esque character study/rant revolving around a crotchety old man's efforts to make his government transparent and accountable.)
4. The Last Investigation by Gaeton Fonzi (a gripping detective story in which a journalist tries to get to the bottom of the murder of the century)
5. Someone Would Have Talked by Larry Hancock (the culmination of a hard-working man's efforts to separate the facts from the fiction, to see what remains).
There are, of course, a number of others which have something to offer.
I wish there was a good Oswald-did-it book which I could recommend. The problem, for me, is that almost all of them embrace the single-bullet theory as a fact, which, to me, is absolute rubbish. So I could no more recommend a book pushing this rubbish than I could a book pushing that Onassis did it so he could hook up with Jackie, or one in which a teenage hit man fired the fatal shot.
It is with high hopes then that I look to Robert Wagner's next book.
I wish there was a good Oswald-did-it book which I could recommend. The problem, for me, is that almost all of them embrace the single-bullet theory as a fact, which, to me, is absolute rubbish.
If there isn't... [and I haven't run across one] --It's too late now.
I wish there was a good Oswald-did-it book which I could recommend.
The problem, for me, is that almost all of them embrace the single-bullet theory as a fact, which, to me, is absolute rubbish.That is what a guy that was shot that day said [sort of].
that almost all of them embraceWhich lone gunman book does not endorse the SBT?
"Wubbish, wubbish, wubbish, wubbish, wubbish ..." Regarding "The Impossible To Believe Single Bullet Theory," perhaps you should watch this (and the PBS Nova special from which it was excerpted).Well thanks Tommy-- that cartoon made even more impossible to believe the SBT. I mean just draw a perfectly straight line through everyone and Vwa-Lah! We know there was no wound directly in the back of the neck but let's just believe it anyway :-\
Well thanks Tommy-- that cartoon made even more impossible to believe the SBT. I mean just draw a perfectly straight line through everyone and Vwa-Lah! We know there was no wound directly in the back of the neck but let's just believe it anyway :-\
(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/docu/coldcasejfk/animation/neck-transit-03.jpg) | (https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/albums/userpics/10001/normal_croft~0.jpg) |
(https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/misc/mason/sketchup/z190s-slope-to-connally-right-side.jpg) (https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/misc/newsgroup/spacers/dot_clear.gif) Work done to show bullet track at Z193 (Mason Theory) The Kennedy model doesn't have the forward lean from the Croft photo | (https://images2.imgbox.com/50/29/gP4bRQ2M_o.jpg) (https://sites.google.com/site/jfkforum/misc/newsgroup/spacers/dot_clear.gif) Unarticulated high-poly human model to which I added a skeleton; Scaled at 6' 1"; Missile track is in the early-Z220s Model has some forward lean but not like Croft; I believe Kennedy's jacket at the nape exhibited a larger bunch |
Well thanks Tommy-- that cartoon made even more impossible to believe the SBT. I mean just draw a perfectly straight line through everyone and Vwa-Lah! We know there was no wound directly in the back of the neck but let's just believe it anyway :-\
We're probably five years away from a super-precise model that duplicates the posture, clothing and skeleton. And then it'll be rejected by the CTs. So what's the use?
If there isn't... [and I haven't run across one] --It's too late now.That is what a guy that was shot that day said [sort of]. Which lone gunman book does not endorse the SBT?
I didn't mean to derail this thread into a thread on the SBT. But, to answer your question, I have two single-assassin theorist books in my possession which devote a considerable amount of space to de-bunking the SBT. One is A Simple Act of Murder, by Mark Fuhrman, and the other is The Assassination of JFK by Robert Wagner. These writers found the SBT unbelievable, but concluded there was enough evidence to support Oswald's sole guilt without the SBT.
The single bullet theory really is fact though. When you examine all of the available evidence, there really is no other plausible scenario. For you to say that the SBT is absolute rubbish makes me doubt that you are the real Pat Speer. Pat Speer is not a stupid guy and he has examined all of the available evidence. He doesn't embrace the SBT but he doesn't dismiss it outright either. Unless he's had some sort of head injury recently.
To be clear on my position... It is not impossible for a bullet to go through one individual and wound another. It is unlikely, however, that a high-velocity bullet piercing Kennedy's neck on the proposed trajectory would create such little damage. It is unlikely as well that a bullet creating the damage in Connally would end up so undamaged. I have chapter after chapter on this stuff on my website, and performed a presentation on this stuff at the 50th anniversary of the Warren Report Conference in Bethesda.
My problem, then, is not with those who think the SBT has gotta be true, and probably happened in one way or another. It is with those who have fibbed and fibbed and fibbed to support its probability. Specter, Lattimer, Sturdivan, Canning, Myers, Haag, etc... It's just awful.
The wounds don't align...move the wounds.
Connally's back wound is not suggestive of a tumbling bullet...use the wrong measurement.
The amount of bullet velocity lost during the tests performed for the WC don't add up...misrepresent them in the Warren Report, and then, if you're Sturdivan, change them for your book.
And that's not even to get into Canning, who was so desperate to claim the wounds aligned he claimed Kennedy was leaning forward when struck in the back and then sat up in his seat before getting hit in the back of the head--precisely the opposite of what is shown in the Z-film.
It's been a con job since the beginning.
As far as the NOVA program and the cartoon posted by Graves...I saw that on the day it was first broadcast on a morning news show and immediately posted it on the internet to warn people another con job was in the works. You see, that animation shows the bullet enter the back of the collar, when the bullet indisputably entered 5 inches below that location. As I recall, Haag then defended this deception by saying that the controversy about the SBT was all about what happened after the bullet exited the neck--which was as big a whopper as one can tell.
How did Haag lie, Pat?
-- MWT ;)
Obviously, it is Pat Speer who is lying, because, of course, he is a dupe of the Russian secret services, and has been a paid agent since the Soviet era, when he was also part of a "doubling project", codenamed " 2 Speers are better than 1". Mark Lane, of course, has also been involved since the late '50s, briefing the two Pat's. We won't even get into CIA photo fakery, Warren Report errors and omissions, etc. which was, yes, performed by Russian "moles", rather (deliberately) poorly, to implicate U.S. government agencies- falsely, of course.
It will all be in my book - definitely top 5 material - which clears up everything, including the SBT chapter, in which guest contributor Gerald Posner will reveal his exclusive interviews with CE399 and the 6th floor window, thereby putting to rest all conspiracy theories - including those that, sadly, exist regarding his alleged plagiarism and, uh, historical inventions.
In stores this fall! Save your pennies!
:)
Well put, Bratan!
(By the way, how much does Putin pay you?)
-- MWT ;)
Is the satire lost on the above individual...or is he doubling back?
Putin pays me millions. : )
Two Pat Speers...how could I not have seen that? And both Soviet moles. Or ,.triple agents? Can twins be only double agents?
Inquiring minds must know!!
To be clear on my position... It is not impossible for a bullet to go through one individual and wound another. It is unlikely, however, that a high-velocity bullet piercing Kennedy's neck on the proposed trajectory would create such little damage. It is unlikely as well that a bullet creating the damage in Connally would end up so undamaged. I have chapter after chapter on this stuff on my website, and performed a presentation on this stuff at the 50th anniversary of the Warren Report Conference in Bethesda.
My problem, then, is not with those who think the SBT has gotta be true, and probably happened in one way or another. It is with those who have fibbed and fibbed and fibbed to support its probability. Specter, Lattimer, Sturdivan, Canning, Myers, Haag, etc... It's just awful.
The wounds don't align...move the wounds.
Connally's back wound is not suggestive of a tumbling bullet...use the wrong measurement.
The amount of bullet velocity lost during the tests performed for the WC don't add up...misrepresent them in the Warren Report, and then, if you're Sturdivan, change them for your book.
And that's not even to get into Canning, who was so desperate to claim the wounds aligned he claimed Kennedy was leaning forward when struck in the back and then sat up in his seat before getting hit in the back of the head--precisely the opposite of what is shown in the Z-film.
It's been a con job since the beginning.
As far as the NOVA program and the cartoon posted by Graves...I saw that on the day it was first broadcast on a morning news show and immediately posted it on the internet to warn people another con job was in the works. You see, that animation shows the bullet enter the back of the collar, when the bullet indisputably entered 5 inches below that location. As I recall, Haag then defended this deception by saying that the controversy about the SBT was all about what happened after the bullet exited the neck--which was as big a whopper as one can tell.
Pat , you should stick to the things that you know. The SBT isn't one of them.
First books I read were Crossfire and Rush to Judgement. Loved them to begin with. Turns out they're both appalling. Marrs was genuinely crazy and Mark Lane has blood on his hands in Jonestown.
Reclaiming History is a masterpiece.
First books I read were Crossfire and Rush to Judgement. Loved them to begin with. Turns out they're both appalling. Marrs was genuinely crazy and Mark Lane has blood on his hands in Jonestown.
Reclaiming History is a masterpiece.
Vince crushed it
Lane and Garrison are white trash
Having met both Lane and Bugliosi I can say that they were actually quite similar. Both were lawyers to the bone.
Having met both Lane and Bugliosi I can say that they were actually quite similar. Both were lawyers to the bone.
A pair of killer sharks right there. My condolences.
Having met both Lane and Bugliosi I can say that they were actually quite similar. Both were lawyers to the bone.
A masterpiece of self-indulgence.
11/22/63 by Stephen King.
Oh! Sorry.
A good thread, seeing we all might find ourselves 'self isolating' for some considerable time. I've been listening to a lot of audio books at work.
In no particular order, but my fave audio books so far -
The Last Investigation - Gaeton Fonzi. Really informative stuff. I looked forward to listening to each chapter.
On The Trail of the JFK Assassins - Dick Russell. If you are interested in the CIA mind control theory re Oswald the 'patsy' - this is #1.
The Devil's Chessboard - David Talbot. Epic account of the opposition JFK faced, as a new POTUS, from the then era 'deep state'.
The Girl On The Stairs - Barry Ernest. Reading the physical book, nearly finished. Very good read so far. Backs up a lot of my own understanding of the Warren Commission's lack of real truth seeking. They couldn't afford to find a conspiracy -- hence cutting their cloth accordingly.
Brothers - David Talbot. Helps explain why the Kennedy's, but Bobby in particular, remained mostly silent re the assassination of JFK. Never wait for tomorrow!
Lane was a wild conspiracy theorist. Dangerous. Blood on his hands in Jonestown and then had the temerity to write a book saying the shooters were US forces. Absolutely disgraceful.
The most in depth piece we have about the assassination. Incredible book. Think it took me about 3 years to read it on and off.
Robert, RFK's silence certainly complicated POVs of researchers after his death. My time as a volunteer at JFKfacts opened my eyes to differences of opinion I had been unaware existed. This author, for example, an individual who, despite our many differences of opinion, I was able to develop a cordial, private dialogue with, supports an opinion that RFK was fond of Allen Dulles.:
https://jfkfacts.org/comment-of-the-week-2/#comment-826066
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Tom ... this convo between Johnson, Dulles, and RFK, seems to back up opinion RFK liked Alan Dulles, even trusted the guy. lol
https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/secret-white-house-tapes/conversation-allen-dulles-and-robert-kennedy-june-23-1964 (https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/secret-white-house-tapes/conversation-allen-dulles-and-robert-kennedy-june-23-1964)
Interesting? I've decided to listen again to 'Brothers' ... (from memory) David Talbot stated, with added disbelief, LBJ quoting RFK's demand for Dulles to be actively involved in the Warren Commission.
Dulles laughs hard when RFK says he trusts Dulles ... and then Dulles says ''I've been a little mad at you, over this bay of pigs book''. Any clue which book he means?
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Tom ... this convo between Johnson, Dulles, and RFK, seems to back up opinion RFK liked Alan Dulles, even trusted the guy. lol
https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/secret-white-house-tapes/conversation-allen-dulles-and-robert-kennedy-june-23-1964 (https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/secret-white-house-tapes/conversation-allen-dulles-and-robert-kennedy-june-23-1964)
Interesting? I've decided to listen again to 'Brothers' ... (from memory) David Talbot stated, with added disbelief, LBJ quoting RFK's demand for Dulles to be actively involved in the Warren Commission.
Dulles laughs hard when RFK says he trusts Dulles ... and then Dulles says ''I've been a little mad at you, over this bay of pigs book''. Any clue which book he means?
Tom ... this convo between Johnson, Dulles, and RFK, seems to back up opinion RFK liked Alan Dulles, even trusted the guy. lol
The Kennedy brothers had also preserved a long-lasting association with Allen Dulles, then CIA Director. Letters in both the Kennedy and Dulles collections reflect that John and Robert Kennedy maintained correspondence with both Dulles brothers from at least 1955. Traveling in the same social sphere, Allen Dulles and John Kennedy were “comfortable with one another and there was a lot of mutual respect,” Richard Bissell said in an interview. In fact, Kennedy was known to regard Dulles as a legendary figure. Historian Herbert Parmet wrote, “Dulles often went to the Charles Wrightsman estate near Joe Kennedy’s Palm Beach House. As far back as Jack’s early days, they socialized down in Florida, much of the time swimming and playing golf.”152 Dulles himself said, “I knew Joe quite well from the days when he was head of the Securities and Exchange Commission.”
Russo, Gus. Live by the Sword: The Secret War Against Castro and the Death of JFK . Bancroft Press. Kindle Edition.
Dulles first met Jack Kennedy at the Kennedy Florida compound in 1955. They became fast friends. “Our contact was fairly continuous,” Dulles later said. “When [JFK] was in Palm Beach, we always got together.”159 Jack came to revere both Dulles’ intellect and accomplishments.
Russo, Gus. Live by the Sword: The Secret War Against Castro and the Death of JFK . Bancroft Press. Kindle Edition.
Robert Kennedy, too, was clearly impressed with Dulles. Regarding his performance at the time of the Bay of Pigs, Robert Kennedy later recalled, “Allen Dulles handled himself awfully well, with a great deal of dignity, and never attempted to shift the blame. The President was very fond of him, as I was.”160 He elaborated to historian Arthur Schlesinger, “He [JFK] liked him [Dulles]—thought he was a real gentleman, handled himself well. There were obviously so many mistakes made at the time of the Bay of Pigs that it wasn’t appropriate that he should stay on. And he always took the blame. He was a real gentleman. JFK thought very highly of him.”
160 - RFK interview by John B. Martin, 1 March 1964, RFK Oral History at the Kennedy Library
Russo, Gus. Live by the Sword: The Secret War Against Castro and the Death of JFK . Bancroft Press. Kindle Edition.
Plus JFK took responsibility for the Bay of Pigs mess.
He knew beforehand that it had a very low probability of succeeding. His generals told him so. Plus he was a war vet himself.
He must have known it was a stupid idea to send 1200 men to fight an army of 200,000 Castro solders.
So hard to get this down to five but here are mine:
Conspiracy - Anthony Summers
Oswald And The CIA - Newman
Our Man In Mexico City - Jeff Morley
Marina And Lee - By Mrs Oswald
The Death of A President - William Manchester
What are yours and why?
From what I can tell, Vincent Bugliosi's 1000-pager .......would come in handy if you run out of toilet paper.
...would come in handy if you run out of toilet paper.
Not adequate for that task either...
1) The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination, by Larry Sturdivan
2) With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit, by Dale Myers
3) Case Closed, by Gerald Posner
4) The Death of a President: November 20-November 25, 1963, by William Manchester
5) Reclaiming History: The Assassination Of President John F Kennedy,by Vincent Bugliosi **
**I haven't actually read Bugliosi's book from beginning to end because it's too damn long.
... [Bugliosi's book] would come in handy if you run out of toilet paper.
The invasion plan was largely Kennedy's. He was intrigued by limited military strikes or operations.The invasion plan was largely
The man overseeing plans for the Bay of Pigs Invasion was Richard M. Bissell Jr., the CIA's Deputy Director for Plans (DDP). He assembled a number of other agents to aid him in the plot, many of whom had worked on the 1954 Guatemalan coup six years before; these included David Philips, Gerry Droller and E. Howard Hunt.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion
I think Mark Twain said something about your ilk in this context.Do tell :-\
Do tell :-\
What Mark Twain said ....."Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain :-\
"Truth [e.g., the first shot occured about one second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133, CE399 went clear through both JFK and JBC, and JFK's violent head and upper torso movement was caused by a combination of a catastrophic neuromuscular reaction while sitting and wearing a rigid back corset, plus a Newton's Third Law "jet effect" when the right side of his brain was violently expelled through a palm-sized exit hole in the top-right area of his scull] is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; truth isn't."Nah....Mark Twain didn't believe in the lone gunman stuff either.
-- Mark Twain
"Truth [e.g., the first shot occured about one second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133, CE399 went clear through both JFK and JBC, and JFK's violent head and upper torso movement was caused by a combination of a catastrophic neuromuscular reaction while sitting and wearing a rigid back corset, plus a Newton's Third Law "jet effect" when the right side of his brain was violently expelled through a palm-sized exit hole in the top-right area of his scull] is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; truth isn't."
-- Mark Twain
Consider me a temporary reincarnation of Samuel Clemens ...Do Mark Twain the honor? :D Right.
Do Mark Twain the honor? :D Right.
Watch --When The Levee Breaks video by Zepparella ...a lot more entertaining Thumb1: