Did Oswald really beat his wife?

[Jerry Freeman]

 Gee...I must not have read the first page of this thread.

That's OK here it is again. From the lead post...........................................

Alexander Kleinlerer had signed an affidavit in June 1964.
This statement seems very much like something that was just  typed up for him and then he signed it.
In it he supposedly claims that he was 'scared' of Oswald.
That Oswald 'frightened him'.
That he 'was concerned and suspicious about Oswald from the outset'.
It upset him 'when Oswald would say things against the United States.' He 'did not argue with Oswald' because he [Lee] 'appeared to him to be dangerous in his mind and he [AK] was frightened'.

Based on statements like this, I just have to wonder why all these people ever hung out together. Something seems fishy about that whole episode. Afraid of a mousey Oswald? Robert Oswald testified that Marina told him that she threw Lee in the bathroom and locked the door on him and hapless Lee sulked there all day. [How do you lock the bathroom door from the outside anyway?]

Recall the statements of Paul Gregory ...Marina fell and hit her head while holding the baby and though June wasn't hurt, Oswald still chastised Marina, but he didn't strike her.

[Jerry Freeman]

I asked if sleeping with his mother might be a factor in his later wife-beating
 ...follow the dots Sherlock.

OK Sigmund...

What Causes Domestic Violence?

What causes domestic violence to become the norm for an abuser? Most domestic abusers grew up witnessing domestic abuse and violence in their own homes. They learned to view physical and emotional violence as valid ways to vent anger and cope with their own internal fears and self-perception issues. The modeling they saw while growing up gets reinforced in these ways:

    Using violence and abuse tactics worked to solve problems for them in the past
    They have established tremendous control over others through abuse tactics
    No one has stopped them or reported them to authorities

Common triggers that set off an abuser:

    Disagreement with their intimate partner
    Protracted periods of unemployment
    Financial issues
    Desperation when partner threatens to leave
    Anger escalation
    Humiliation stemming from problems at work or other perceived failures
    Jealousy and envy

Many experts believe psychopathology, developed by growing up in a violent and abusive household causes domestic violence to continue as a generational legacy. Witnessing abuse as the norm, or being abused, destroys the child's ability to trust others and undermines his or her ability to control emotions. This produces hostile, dependant, and emotionally insecure people with a deeply impaired ability to develop and maintain healthy relationships.

Other experts believe genetic predisposition plays a part in the formation of an abuser, but very few studies offer definitive data to support this. In cultures where traditional beliefs endure that put women beneath men in status and personhood, domestic violence is rampant.

Even though the causes of domestic abuse remain poorly understood, it's critical that society stands strong against the crime of domestic violence and support laws and social programs put in place to stop the cycle

https://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/domestic-violence/causes-of-domestic-violence-domestic-abuse

So 'financial issues" , 'disagreements', and 'protracted periods of employment' seem to be forefront causes of DV.
The Oswalds certainly seemed to have qualified there.
Millions of couples have had these problems.
However, wife beating in this case still has not been anymore than innuendo and hearsay and was used as fodder by the authorities in their zeal to show that Oswald was a violent maniac turned assassin.
Those who believe this are free to... but I question that the cover up machine here really cared either way.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

30. Marina never had any money, not even pennies. Oswald would not give any money to her. Consequently, when she lived with Mrs. Hall and later with the others she and her baby were utterly-dependent upon their host. She could not buy even a package of cigarettes, and even had she wished, she could not tender any token to her hosts.

The same guy who rarely left Marina money - she said he would leave her a few dollars on Monday when he returned to the rooming house - suddenly decides to leave $170 on the day of the assassination? Even though, Marina said, he was going to see her again on the weekend? Why not leave the money on Monday per the usual routine?

And again, one hundred and seventy dollars?

This is where the Oswald defenders reply, "Lots of men leave their wives money."

[Walt Cakebread]

No wonder Marina gave up the ghost with this bullying little prick:

23. He treated Marina very poorly. He belittled her and was boorish to her in our presence. He talked to her and ordered her around just as though she were a mere chattel. He was never polite or tender 'to her. I feel very strongly that she was frightened of him. The only occasion I saw him physically mistreat her was the occasion I have mentioned but I heard repeatedly from Mrs. Hall George Bouhe, and others that Oswald was physically mistreating her.
24. Oswald was not grateful for any of the help that was being accorded to him and Marina. He never once offered to contribute in even a small way to Mrs. Hall or any of the others with whom Marina stayed. This was often a topic of conversation among us. We did not have much money ourselves and we were knocking ourselves out to help. He did not express any thanks or evidence the slightest appreciation; in fact, he evidenced displeasure and contempt.
25. I expressed to Mrs. Hall and to my friend George Bouhe, and to others that I thought that they were only worsening things because the Oswalds did not appear appreciative of what was being done for them. He acted as though the world owed him a living. I had the impression from time to time that Marina was pretending and acting.
26. Oswald always acted toward her like a soldier commanding one of his troops. My overall impression of Oswald was that he was angry with the whole world and with himself to boot; that he really did not know what he wanted;
that he was frustrated because he was not looked up to; and that he was dissatisfied with everything, including himself.
27. Mrs. Hall told me on several occasions that Marina had said to her that she was quite afraid of Oswald and that when she got to know a little more English she intended to leave him. Oswald did not care who was present as far as his boorish attitude toward Marina was concerned. It seemed that he did not care what others thought about anything.
28. Anna Meller, Mrs. Hall, George Bouhe and the deMohrenschildts, and all that group had pity for Marina and her child. None of us cared for Oswald because of his political philosophy, his criticism of the United States, his apparent lack of interest in anyone but himself and because of his treatment of Marina. Although the men were sometimes skeptical about helping them out, the ladies were quite compassionate about Marina and felt that she needed help not only because of their straitened financial circumstances, but because of Oswald's mistreatment of her.
29. I recall that when I saw the newspaper item in the Fort Worth paper about Oswald returning from Russia with his Russian wife, I spoke to Max Clark and his wife. They are good friends and fine people, and he is a lawyer. We were all apprehensive about coming in contact with the Oswalds but all the friends of mine later expressed the view that the Federal Bureau of Investigation knew Oswald and Marina were coming into this country, and If they did not do anything about it, it was probably all right to have contact with them. I am afraid I never became completely reassured.
30. Marina never had any money, not even pennies. Oswald would not give any money to her. Consequently, when she lived with Mrs. Hall and later with the others she and her baby were utterly-dependent upon their host. She could not buy even a package of cigarettes, and even had she wished, she could not tender any token to her hosts.

Booyah, MCP

Chappy, You're sick....   You conjure up the damnedest nonsense and present it is if it's true.  I'd be ashamed of myself.

If you're not embarrassed then you may benefit from the services of a shrink.....

[Jerry Freeman]

 
   

27. Mrs. Hall told me on several occasions that Marina had said to her that she was quite afraid of Oswald....

'So & so told me that such and such said'.... as I mentioned before, this is called hearsay.
 

[John Mytton]

   
'So & so told me that such and such said'.... as I mentioned before, this is called hearsay.

Mr. LIEBELER - The first time that Marina came to your house, can you remember exactly when that was?
Mrs. HALL - in July. Sometime in July.
Mr. LIEBELER - And you noticed even in July that she had been bruised, is that correct?
Mrs. HALL - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - But it wasn't until October or November -
Mrs. HALL - October when she moved.
Mr. LIEBELER - That you learned that she had gotten those bruises as a result of her husband beating her, is that right?
Mrs. HALL - Yes.



JohnM

[Jerry Freeman]

Also covered in the opening post...

Elena Hall
Date:  July 1962     (Estimate according to Mrs. Hall)
Location: Oswald' apartment.
Mrs Hall:  "black and blue over half of her face"
Note: Bouhe took Marina to Elena's house. The date must be wrong because Bouhe testified that he first saw the bruise when the group went to visit Marina. That was at the end of August.


White Russian Group Visits Marina
Date: Late August 1962
Location: Oswald apartment.
Mr. Bouhe:   "black eye"
Mrs. Meller:  "terrible blue spot over her eye."  "Under her eye was  blue  and over here [pointing].")
Marina tells Bouhe that Lee hit her. Probably too embarrassed to tell what really happened. Oswald was a loser and most likely, the marriage was headed for the rocks...but even in her own testimony, Marina told the commission that Lee wasn't really violent  [but then he was and then he wasn't]   
Marina tells Mrs. Meller that she bumped into door when feeding baby at night.     (Mrs. Meller)
Lee wasn't present.     (Bouhe, Mrs.Meller)

Mr. RANKIN. Could you tell us a little about when he did beat you because
we have reports that at times neighbors saw signs of his having beat you, so that we might know the occasions and why he did such things.
Mrs. OSWALD. The neighbors simply saw that because I have a very sensitive skin, and even a very light blow would show marks. Sometimes it was my own fault.

Didn't elaborate

Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall that you called Mrs. Meller and told her about your husband beating you and she told you to get a cab and come to stay with her?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, but he didn't beat me.
Mr. RANKIN. And you didn't tell her that he had beat you, either?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't think so. Perhaps she understood it that he had beaten me, because it had happened.

That made no sense.

Mr. McDONALD. During this time in the Soviet Union, did Lee Harvey Oswald ever demonstrate any violent tendencies, any antisocial tendencies, either to you personally or in general?
Mrs. PORTER. Well, he would lose temper a few times, but he was pretty good at controlling it. You know naturally during the marriage husband and wife do fuss sometimes.
Mr. McDONALD. But it is your testimony that his behavior was not-
Mrs. PORTER. He wasn't really violent, no.
Mr. PREYER. Perhaps the word "deceptive."
Was he deceptive to you? Did he say to you he would do one thing and you later learned he did another thing?
Mrs. PORTER. Not that I know of, not at that particular period of my life.
Mr. PREYER. At this period of your life, did he ever act violently in front of you?
Mrs. PORTER. No.

Mr. McDONALD - What did he say? What did you say to him about President Kennedy's trip to Dallas?
Mrs. PORTER - It was quite exciting, you know, for me to talk about, but it seemed like he is changing the subject or just refused to talk about, but it wasn't in any hostile way or violent form. Just looked like he just ignored a little bit you know to talk about.