Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"

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Online John Mytton

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #154 on: July 02, 2018, 12:55:19 AM »




22. Moreover, if Oswald were about to murder the president in two or so weeks, would he do anything at all that had the potential of drawing anyone?s attention to him, particularly the attention of the FBI?
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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #155 on: July 02, 2018, 07:11:58 PM »



22. Moreover, if Oswald were about to murder the president in two or so weeks, would he do anything at all that had the potential of drawing anyone?s attention to him, particularly the attention of the FBI?
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Precisely, if he were about to do that terrible deed, why would he draw attention to himself. Shows that it probably wasn't him. Seems RHVB is trying to prove it wasn't Oz.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #156 on: July 02, 2018, 08:02:54 PM »
Precisely, if he were about to do that terrible deed, why would he draw attention to himself. Shows that it probably wasn't him. Seems RHVB is trying to prove it wasn't Oz.

Tell us who Bug thought was the assassin.

Seems RHVB is presenting a reasoned argument that Oswald had no help and had no plans to shoot Kennedy even as late as a week or two before the assassination.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #157 on: July 03, 2018, 01:58:40 PM »
Tell us who Bug thought was the assassin.

Seems RHVB is presenting a reasoned argument that Oswald had no help and had no plans to shoot Kennedy even as late as a week or two before the assassination.

I'm not interested in who The Bug believed was the assassin, although that seems pretty obvious. Lots of people disagree that he is printing a reasoned argument. It is just his opinion as a prosecutor.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #158 on: July 03, 2018, 11:35:06 PM »
I'm not interested in who The Bug believed was the assassin, although that seems pretty obvious. Lots of people disagree that he is printing a reasoned argument. It is just his opinion as a prosecutor.

Of course it was Oswald in Bug's legal crosshairs. But you claimed Bug was seemingly making Oswald look innocent in the Bug #22 JohnM posted. On the contrary he made Oswald look like he had nothing planned out regarding Kennedy as late as the FBI/Dallas incident just 1-2 weeks before the assassination.

So it seems you do care about Bug's opinions. Opinions based on sound reasoning by the way, as Bug made the very reasonable argument that no one with any intention of assassinating the POTUS (who was scheduled to arrive in Dallas shortly) would march into FBI/Dallas headquarters making threats against an FBI agent, opening the possibility up of getting himself arrested.
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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #159 on: July 04, 2018, 02:15:21 AM »



23. On October 4, 1963, Oswald applied for a job as a ?typesetter trainee? at the Padgett Printing Company in Dallas and was turned down because (the bottom of the application reads) ?Bob Stovall [the president of Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall, where Oswald previously worked] does not recommend this man. He was released [there] because of his record as a troublemaker.? Stovall also informed Padgett that Oswald had ?communistic tendencies.?59       

If Oswald was the scheduled hit man in a conspiracy to murder Kennedy, why would those behind him (CIA, mob, FBI, etc.) have him apply for a job just seven weeks before the assassination that wasn?t on the presidential motorcade route and would never be? Padgett Printing is located today where it was back in 1963, at 1313 North Industrial Boulevard in Dallas, a boulevard of light industry and no tall office buildings, where large crowds of people would be nonexistent. After the presidential limousine was scheduled to get off Elm Street onto the Stemmons Freeway en route to the Trade Mart, North Industrial Boulevard, to the west of the freeway, would be running roughly parallel to it, including the location at 1313 North Industrial Boulevard. However, per Dave Torok, president of Padgett Printing, the company?s building has always been only one story, and the Stemmons Freeway, he said, ?is a good half mile away, and you can?t see it from our building, even from the roof.?60       

The point, of course, is that if Padgett Printing Company had hired Oswald on October 4, Kennedy would not have been a target for Oswald to shoot and kill on November 22. And if Oswald were scheduled to be the hit man for the conspiracy to murder Kennedy, why would his employers (CIA, mob, etc.) have him apply for a job that, if he were hired, would eliminate him as their chosen assassin?       

But there?s more bad news for the poor, hapless conspiracy theorists, who would gladly settle for anything real, no matter how small, to keep their hopes alive, instead of getting hit with one haymaker after another to their dreams. On October 8, the Texas Employment Commission (TEC) sent Oswald out for a job interview at the Solid State Electronics Company of Texas. He didn?t get the job because the company was looking for a sales clerk, and he had no experience that qualified him for that position. ?I sure would like to have the job,? he told James Hunter of Solid State, who interviewed him. ?Every place I go they want experience.?61 And again, the problem for the theorists is that Solid State was located at 2647 Myrtle Springs in Dallas, out beyond Parkland Hospital and nowhere near the motorcade route The next day, October 9, the TEC sent Oswald to the Burton-Dixie Corporation for a job as a clerk trainee. Emmett Hobson at Burton-Dixie knows that the company didn?t hire Oswald, but told the FBI he didn?t recall why, and could not recall the background information Oswald had given him. Burton-Dixie was located at 817 Corinth in Dallas, an industrial area near Oak Cliff, which again, unfortunately for the buffs, was nowhere near the motorcade route.62       

On October 14, Oswald applied for a job at the Wiener Lumber Company in Dallas. The proprietor, Sam Wiener, was impressed with Oswald as a prospective employee until Oswald was asked to show his Honorable Discharge Card, which Oswald, of course, was unable to do. In the ?Remarks? section of Oswald?s application, Wiener typed, ?Although this man makes an excellent appearance and seems quite intelligent he seemed unable to understand when I continually and clearly asked him for his honorable discharge card or papers for the latest (just ended) hitch. I believe he does not have [it] and will not get such a card or paper. Do not consider for this reason only.?       

The lumber company was at the corner of Inwood Road and Maple Avenue, near Love Field, so was close to the motorcade route, but again, not on it. The closest that the president?s motorcade came to this location was at the intersection of Lemmon Avenue and Inwood Road, a little more than three-quarters of a mile from Wiener Lumber.63       

Again, the fact, alone, that Oswald was applying for jobs up through October 14 at locations not on the motorcade route virtually precludes the notion of conspiracy among rational people.
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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #160 on: July 04, 2018, 02:23:23 AM »




24. In the same vein, although Oswald applied for his job at the Book Depository Building with Roy Truly on October 15, the Depository had two buildings, the one at Houston and Elm that everyone knows about, and another building called the ?Warehouse,? located at 1917 Houston, a building that was larger than the one at Houston and Elm but with two fewer stories.*The Warehouse was not on the parade route, being about four blocks north of the Book Depository Building. (Indeed, at that time in 1963, Houston Street became unpaved one block north of Elm.) Truly just as well could have assigned Oswald to work in the building at 1917 Houston as at the building at Houston and Elm. ?I might have sent Oswald to work in a warehouse two blocks away,? Truly said. ?Oswald and another fellow reported for work on the same day [October 15] and I needed one of them for the depository building. I picked Oswald.? Truly said he ?hired? the other ?boy? for the Warehouse.64 Neither Oswald nor the supposed conspirators behind him could have possibly known or foreseen which building Truly would have assigned Oswald to. And if Truly had sent Oswald to 1917 Houston, Kennedy would not have passed under Oswald?s window and there wouldn?t have been an assassination. What type of massive conspiracy by the CIA, mob, et cetera, to murder Kennedy would be completely dependent on what building Truly assigned the assassin to? I mean, would any group of conspirators choose a location for killing Kennedy that depended on an arbitrary decision such as this one that was wholly beyond its control? Of course, we could make Roy Truly part of the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, something that would be perfectly all right with the conspiracy theorists.       

It should be noted further that, as we saw in this book, there is absolutely no evidence that any group such as the CIA or mob had anything to do with Oswald getting a job at the Book Depository Building, the building that literally enabled Oswald to successfully kill Kennedy.
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