Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Dan O'meara]

And there are the word games, as predicted.

Any sane reasonable person will understand exactly what Roberts said in the video and her testimony. Your, totally insane, explanation is that Oswald didn't come in at exactly the same moment that Roberts pushed the button to switch the television on. It's desperation of the highest level. Stop embarrasing yourself.

Well, let me guess.... in your fairytale she was trying to clear the picture for about 10 to 15 minutes, right?
And then you have the audacity to call me unreasonable? Really?   

As it contradicts what else she said, no it's not good enough for me. The fact that it is good enough for you, despite all her other statements tells me all I need to know.

Actually, I consider Roberts to be one of the most unreliable witnesses in this case. But she did not lie about how long the TV was on before Oswald came in, because she never said anything about it. You just made it up. All she said was that she turned on the television, after her friend called, and was trying to get a better picture when Oswald came in. That's it. Everything else is just your biased imagination.

One more problem for you to solve, Sherlock; If she was watching "As the world turns" and saw the bulletin at 12:40 - as you claimed - she already must have had a good picture. So what's all this stuff about turning the TV on and trying to get a better picture? It doesn't add up, does it now, Sherlock?

There is only one of us who is trying to create an alternate "reality" and that's you!

"Actually, I consider Roberts to be one of the most unreliable witnesses in this case."

Yet your whole sad tale is predicated on Roberts establishing the time Oswald left the rooming house at just after 1:00 PM.
What a joke.
I think we can agree the time given by Roberts is wholly unreliable and is not to be taken seriously.
Your sorry tale lies in tatters.
There is nothing to say exactly what time Oswald left the rooming house.
Where does that leave you now?

  Or are you going to suddenly rally to support the reliability of Roberts' testimony?
Surely not even you would try that.

[Martin Weidmann]

"Actually, I consider Roberts to be one of the most unreliable witnesses in this case."

Yet your whole sad tale is predicated on Roberts establishing the time Oswald left the rooming house at just after 1:00 PM.
What a joke.
I think we can agree the time given by Roberts is wholly unreliable and is not to be taken seriously.
Your sorry tale lies in tatters.
There is nothing to say exactly what time Oswald left the rooming house.
Where does that leave you now?

  Or are you going to suddenly rally to support the reliability of Roberts' testimony?
Surely not even you would try that.

Yet your whole sad tale is predicated on Roberts establishing the time Oswald left the rooming house at just after 1:00 PM.
What a joke.

It is what it is. I'm sorry you don't like it, but even unreliable witnesses do sometimes tell the truth

I think we can agree the time given by Roberts is wholly unreliable and is not to be taken seriously.

Really? Does that include the 12:40 "as the world turns" story or the "he left zipping up a jacket" one?

Your sorry tale lies in tatters.
There is nothing to say exactly what time Oswald left the rooming house.

Check your WC bible and it will tell you how long it took Oswald to get from the TSBD to the rooming house. When you've done that, get back to me.

Where does that leave you now?

Dealing with the facts, as best as they can be established, rather than your biased fairytale

Or are you going to suddenly rally to support the reliability of Roberts' testimony?
Surely not even you would try that.

No need to.... You lot need Roberts a hell of a lot more than I ever will.

[Bill Chapman]

Earlene unvarnished
(Affidavit shortened for cablegram)


BILL CHAPMAN

[Dan O'meara]

Nice try, now it's "the rooming house" - - LOL

So, did you check the registry for corroboration?

(one of those easy Y/N questions)

This is really exciting.
I feel like I'm tentatively treading through the echoing sub-chambers of the truly conspiratorial mind.
Is it shadow?
Is it light?
Just a few simple exchanges and through the looking-glass we go.

"Nice try, now it's "the rooming house" - - LOL"

But that's what I referred to it as before when I asked:

"Just for fun...how do you think Oswald got to his rooming house."

Nothing tricky is happening here.
How did Oswald get from the Dealey Plaza area to his rooming house at 1026 North Beckley Avenue?
You are saying he wasn't in Whaley's cab so I'm asking you how he got there.
There is no trap, it's all really straight-forward, it's a really simple question.

Instead of answering it you keep asking me if I've checked "the registry".
I'll make you a deal - I asked my question first, you answer that and I'll answer yours.
Promise.

Earlene Roberts testified that Oswald returned to the rooming house [at 1026 North Beckley Avenue] after she learned of the shooting of JFK.
How did Oswald get from the Dealey Plaza area to the rooming house?

[Bill Chapman]

Looks more like being beat up.

A wino wearing two jackets - - LOL

Done editing?

Mr Belin: Mr Whaley, what number did you say was the man in the lineup?
Mr Whaley: No.2

Done editing?
Done deflecting?

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[Martin Weidmann]

Bump for Dan O'meara

From experience I know that it is normal LN procedure to simply abandon/ignore a conversation when faced with a problem, but I would like to get an answer to this fairly straight forward question;

You do remember that Roberts said that Oswald entered the rooming house when she was trying to get a better picture on the television, right?

Now, if Roberts was watching "As the world turns" and saw the special bulletin at 12:40 - as you claimed - she already must have had a good picture, right? So what's all this stuff about turning the TV on and trying to get a better picture when Oswald walked in? It doesn't add up, does it now, Sherlock?

Do you think I will have a credible answer before the year is out?

[Bill Chapman]

Done editing?

Done trolling?

[Dan O'meara]

Bump for Dan O'meara

From experience I know that it is normal LN procedure to simply abandon/ignore a conversation when faced with a problem, but I would like to get an answer to this fairly straight forward question;

And I know from my experience of dealing with the Tinfoil Brigade that the only answer that matters is the one they already have and they will go to any extent to defend their "truth", as we have already seen.
Your lame self-portrayal as a man of reason is a joke. You have your answer already even though the unreliability of Roberts timestamp has been held up for all to see.
And even though continuing this discussion with you is a farce I will try to answer your question as openly and as honestly as my limited abilities allow.

You do remember that Roberts said that Oswald entered the rooming house when she was trying to get a better picture on the television, right?

Now, if Roberts was watching "As the world turns" and saw the special bulletin at 12:40 - as you claimed - she already must have had a good picture, right? So what's all this stuff about turning the TV on and trying to get a better picture when Oswald walked in? It doesn't add up, does it now, Sherlock?

Do you think I will have a credible answer before the year is out?

It doesn't matter how credible the answer is with you, you already know it all.
But here goes.

My first port of call was David Von Pein's website, an invaluable research tool. Without genuine researchers such as David, Robin Unger and Pat Speer a novice such as myself wouldn't have a clue what to do. It's all been done for me.
From there I found a video of the CBS channel showing it's contents uncut from just after the time of the assassination. This is the channel Roberts was watching according to her interview. It starts with As The World Turns, a popular soap opera. A quick Google search of the show threw up this image:



These are the two actors in the opening sequence of the video confirming it is As The World Turns.

I found a timestamp at 58:50 in the video where Walter states that JFK died at 1:00 PM "some thirty eight minutes ago".
Therefore 58:50 on the video = 1:38 PM in "real time" [RT] (obviously this is not to the second, just an approximation. But a close one)
The following analysis of the first part of the video is based on this approximate timestamp.

0:00  [ 12:39.10 RT ] -- "As The World Turns" is on
1:50  [ 12:41 RT ]     --  The first bulletin flashes on (this is the one shown in the Roberts interview)
2:50  [ 12:42 RT ]     --  First bulletin ends, followed by various ads
4:57  [ 12:44.07 RT ] -- Second Bulletin flashes on
7:08  [ 12:46.18 RT ] -- Second Bulletin finishes and "As The World Turns" resumes
8:50  [ 12:48 RT ]     --  "As The World Turns" goes into an ad break
9:34  [ 12:48.44 RT ] -- Third bulletin begins. This runs continuously until the 1:00 PM news comes on with Walter Cronkite

My best interpretation of Roberts testimony and the interview she gave is that her friend sees either the first or second Bulletin and rings Roberts to tell her the news.
Roberts switches on the TV and "As The World Turns" is on which goes into an ad break shortly after which the third and final bulletin comes on. This is the bulletin Roberts reports seeing. This bulletin begins around 12:49 PM. For whatever reason her TV starts playing up and she has to try to fix it. She can hear the report but the picture isn't any good. It is around this time Oswald comes in.

Remember - this is my best, most honest interpretation. It's not the only interpretation and it doesn't account for every statement Roberts made in her various testimonies and interviews, but it accounts for a lot of them.
Obviously the timings are not perfect to the second but they are probably within a minute.