Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Dan O'meara]

Thank you for showing your true colors, mr. truth-seeker   

Because I'm sick and tired of your accusations of hypocrisy, dishonesty and bias.

Then stop being a dishonest and bias driven hypocrite! It's an easy solution to your problem.

What a pathetic, weak-minded response.
What a show of your true colours.
A complete lack of substance.
A complete lack of character.
Run along, I've wasted as much time on you as I'm going to.

[Martin Weidmann]

What a pathetic, weak-minded response.
What a show of your true colours.
A complete lack of substance.
A complete lack of character.
Run along, I've wasted as much time on you as I'm going to.

    

That's what happens when somebody mistakenly considers his own opinion to be the only right one.

A complete lack of substance.

Substance? What substance? All you are doing is speculating. Do you really expect to be taken seriously?

[Jerry Freeman]

   All this stuff was all covered on page one of this thread and has gone in circles ever since. And let's not insult the other posters...it accomplishes nothing and is violating forum regulations. Scrutinizing everything...Oswald just simply did not have the time to meander down back streets etc and arrive on site and engaging in a shooting of the policeman. As the crow may fly...yeah it is a bit less than a mile perhaps but I walked it [the shortest route possible] and saw for myself that things just didn't fit. Also if Oswald wanted to take a bus... there was a stop right next to his rooming house.

[Dan O'meara]

   All this stuff was all covered on page one of this thread and has gone in circles ever since. And let's not insult the other posters...it accomplishes nothing and is violating forum regulations. Scrutinizing everything...Oswald just simply did not have the time to meander down back streets etc and arrive on site and engaging in a shooting of the policeman. As the crow may fly...yeah it is a bit less than a mile perhaps but I walked it [the shortest route possible] and saw for myself that things just didn't fit. Also if Oswald wanted to take a bus... there was a stop right next to his rooming house.

Clearly Oswald didn't 'meander' anywhere. He was in a big hurry and had exactly the correct amount of time to get him to the Tippit shooting. The distance of 0.8 miles is not as the crow flies, it's Google Maps walking distance.
Oswald could jog that distance (6mph) in 8 minutes.
At a brisk walk (4mph) he could do it in 12 minutes.
Meandering could have taken him all day.

As explained in the memo I posted, the nearest point to Oswald's house that he could use his transfer ticket was Marsalis and Jefferson, 3 blocks from where the shooting occurred. This would explain why he was on 10th when the shooting took place.

When you say "things didn't fit" what do you mean?

[Dan O'meara]

This is a snapshot of a Google maps walking route from 1026 North Beckley Avenue to 401 East 10th Street:



It shows the walking distance to be 0.8 miles.
At a normal walking rate of 3mph this distance can be covered in 16 minutes
At a brisk walking rate of 4mph this distance can be covered in 12 minutes
At a jog of 6mph this distance can be covered in 8 minutes
These figures are not up for dispute. They are facts.

To imagine that a young, fit man like Oswald, who was trained in the Marines, couldn't make this distance in 8 minutes is baffling.
To imagine he couldn't do it in 10 minutes is incomprehensible. Unless there is an underlying medical condition Oswald was suffering from that I've yet to come across.
As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to believe Oswald could not have made the distance in 8 minutes and even less if he really pushed himself. I'm not saying he did do that. I'm saying I'm perplexed at inability to accept that he could do that.

[Martin Weidmann]

This is a snapshot of a Google maps walking route from 1026 North Beckley Avenue to 401 East 10th Street:



It shows the walking distance to be 0.8 miles.
At a normal walking rate of 3mph this distance can be covered in 16 minutes
At a brisk walking rate of 4mph this distance can be covered in 12 minutes
At a jog of 6mph this distance can be covered in 8 minutes
These figures are not up for dispute. They are facts.

To imagine that a young, fit man like Oswald, who was trained in the Marines, couldn't make this distance in 8 minutes is baffling.
To imagine he couldn't do it in 10 minutes is incomprehensible. Unless there is an underlying medical condition Oswald was suffering from that I've yet to come across.
As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to believe Oswald could not have made the distance in 8 minutes and even less if he really pushed himself. I'm not saying he did do that. I'm saying I'm perplexed at inability to accept that he could do that.

2 comments;

The route in your map is wrong, because you have Oswald walking down Patton towards 10th street. Had he walked that way he would have been behind Markham, walking down Patton towards Jefferson.

And it is of little significance what you believe Oswald could or could not have done. In a car it would have taken him perhaps three minutes to get there, but there is no evidence for him using a car or him jogging. So, what's the point of accepting something that can not be substantiated? Like Jerry, I also walked the distance so years ago and my walking speed was pretty fast back then, yet I couldn't walk the fastest route in less than 12 minutes. There hasn't been any time trial that resulted in less time.

Once again, you are calling your own speculation "a fact" and ignore the basic truth that with enough speculation and assumptions you can get anybody to do anything, whether it's realistic or not.

Now, here's a question for you; can you provide one plausible reason for Oswald to run or jog from the rooming house to 10th street, instead of getting on a bus in front of the rooming house?

[Dan O'meara]

2 comments;

The route in your map is wrong, because you have Oswald walking down Patton towards 10th street. Had he walked that way he would have been behind Markham, walking down Patton towards Jefferson.

And it is of little significance what you believe Oswald could or could not have done. In a car it would have taken him perhaps three minutes to get there, but there is no evidence for him using a car or him jogging. Like Jerry, I also walked the distance so years ago and my walking speed was pretty fast back then, yet I couldn't walk the fastest route in less than 12 minutes. There hasn't been any time trial that resulted in less time.

Once again, you are calling your own speculation "a fact" and ignore the basic truth that with enough speculation and assumptions you can get anybody to do anything, whether it's realistic or not.

Now, here's a question for you; can you provide one plausible reason for Oswald to run or jog from the rooming house to 10th street, instead of getting on a bus in front of the rooming house?

"Once again, you are calling your own speculation "a fact" "

Where have I called my own speculation a "fact"?
I'll save you the time, I haven't done that, it's just your inability to read the simplest text rearing it's ugly head again.
Just spend a few minutes going over what you are reading, then put your brain in gear.
The figures I gave for how long it takes to cover a certain distance at a certain speed are mathematical facts. Get to grips with that.

As for the route shown, it's impossible to show a route turning left onto 10th from Crawford as part of 10th has been built over nowadays. It was just to highlight the distance from Oswald's rooming house to the scene of the Tippit shooting - which is 0.8 miles, as I'm sure you'd agree.

As for you waddling the route in 12 minutes, top speed, well...who cares? It means nothing.
That distance can be covered in 12 minutes moving at 4mph (mathematical fact)
Can't you move faster than 4mph?

"In a car it would have taken him perhaps three minutes to get there"

 
Ground control to Major Tom...

"Now, here's a question for you; can you provide one plausible reason for Oswald to run or jog from the rooming house to 10th street, instead of getting on a bus in front of the rooming house?"

He didn't know when the bus was coming and he only had a short window of opportunity to get to Marsalis and Jefferson.
How difficult was that?
How much brain power was required to overcome that mighty obstacle?

Now here's one for you - can you provide one plausible explanation for why Oswald asked for the cab to drop him at 500 block but got out near Neely Street, way past his actual address but before the destination he requested?

This should be good.
And remember to read the post thoroughly before responding.

[Martin Weidmann]

"Once again, you are calling your own speculation "a fact" "

Where have I called my own speculation a "fact"?
I'll save you the time, I haven't done that, it's just your inability to read the simplest text rearing it's ugly head again.
Just spend a few minutes going over what you are reading, then put your brain in gear.
The figures I gave for how long it takes to cover a certain distance at a certain speed are mathematical facts. Get to grips with that.

As for the route shown, it's impossible to show a route turning left onto 10th from Crawford as part of 10th has been built over nowadays. It was just to highlight the distance from Oswald's rooming house to the scene of the Tippit shooting - which is 0.8 miles, as I'm sure you'd agree.

As for you waddling the route in 12 minutes, top speed, well...who cares? It means nothing.
That distance can be covered in 12 minutes moving at 4mph (mathematical fact)
Can't you move faster than 4mph?

"In a car it would have taken him perhaps three minutes to get there"

 
Ground control to Major Tom...

"Now, here's a question for you; can you provide one plausible reason for Oswald to run or jog from the rooming house to 10th street, instead of getting on a bus in front of the rooming house?"

He didn't know when the bus was coming and he only had a short window of opportunity to get to Marsalis and Jefferson.
How difficult was that?
How much brain power was required to overcome that mighty obstacle?

Now here's one for you - can you provide one plausible explanation for why Oswald asked for the cab to drop him at 500 block but got out near Neely Street, way past his actual address but before the destination he requested?

This should be good.
And remember to read the post thoroughly before responding.

Why should I even bother to reply to your patronizing BS?

As for you waddling the route in 12 minutes, top speed, well...who cares? It means nothing.
That distance can be covered in 12 minutes moving at 4mph (mathematical fact)
Can't you move faster than 4mph?

Of course it means nothing to you, because it doesn't fit in your narrative. And who said anything about "top speed"?

There hasn't been a single time trial that has shown that, at normal walking speed, the distance between the rooming house and 10th street takes less than 12 minutes. Your mathematical fact doesn't alter that one bit. Now, you can speculate all you want about how fast Oswald was running (without being noticed by anyone) but that would be just as silly - and this went clearly over your head - as claiming he drove there by car.... back to you, ground control.

But since you like mathematics so much, here's something for you to consider; Roberts said that she received a phone call from a friend who told her Kennedy had been killed and that she should turn on the television. The news of Kennedy's death was announced just after 1 PM. Oswald entered the rooming house when Roberts was trying to get the television to work. She already had the sound but not a good picture. This justifies the conclusion that Oswald did not enter the rooming house before 1 PM. If he only was in his room for 2 minutes, he would be back outside at 1:02 at the earliest.

Tippit's killer was seen walking (not running!) down 10th street by Markham at least one minute (but likely longer) before the shooting. You have agreed that my time line shows that Tippit was killed at 1:09, which means that Markham must have seen the killer walking down the street at 1:08 or even a bit earlier.

That leaves only six minutes at best between Oswald's departure from the rooming house and Markham's sighting of the killer. Can your mathematical brain figure out how Oswald could have (your words) jogged there in 8 minutes and still be on time to kill Tippit?

"Now, here's a question for you; can you provide one plausible reason for Oswald to run or jog from the rooming house to 10th street, instead of getting on a bus in front of the rooming house?"

He didn't know when the bus was coming and he only had a short window of opportunity to get to Marsalis and Jefferson.
How difficult was that?
How much brain power was required to overcome that mighty obstacle?

Even if he was running to Marsalis and Jefferson (which is only speculation on your part), there was no need or reason for him to be at 10th street. And that's what I asked you, but your  brain power didn't understand that, did it now?

Walking on 10th street towards Denver street has him walking parallel with Jefferson, when, from Davis street, he should have been going south to Jefferson, on either Crawford or Patton and turn left on Jefferson. There was absolutely no need for him to be anywhere near 10th street.

Now here's one for you - can you provide one plausible explanation for why Oswald asked for the cab to drop him at 500 block but got out near Neely Street, way past his actual address but before the destination he requested?

This should be good.
And remember to read the post thoroughly before responding.

If that's what actually happened, the answer is; no I can't. The difference between you and me is that you seem to believe that you know what other people do and for what reason and I don't. People do silly things that don't make sense to others all the time.