Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1260 on: August 11, 2019, 06:39:02 AM »
"Lexical semantics" LOL

Yes, that's what one witness said, so what? and btw how in any way does that nullify a stack of supporting evidence for Oswald wearing a light coloured jacket?

JohnM

What supporting evidence would that be?

Who else saw a brown jacket?

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1261 on: August 11, 2019, 09:05:41 AM »
Housekeeper Earlene Roberts, to a radio reporter on the afternoon of the assassination, stated that Oswald was wearing a "short gray coat" as he left the rooming house.  She told the FBI that she remembered Oswald putting on a jacket and zipping it up as he went out the front door, adding that it was the type of jacket that zips up in the front.

Helen Markham, standing at the northwest corner of Tenth and Patton, testified to the Warren Commission that the cop-killer (who she positively identified as Lee Oswald) had on a short jacket that was open in the front and was grayish-tan in color.

Domingo Benavides, passing by in his pickup truck, saw Tippit's patrol car stopped near the curb and stated that the officer (Tippit) was talking to a man on foot.  Benavides heard the shots and saw the killer run from the scene.  Benavides testified to the Warren Commission that the killer was wearing a light-beige jacket, and that the jacket was lightweight.

William Scoggins, sitting in his cab (facing north on Patton towards the intersection with Tenth Street), was eating lunch when he noticed Tippit's patrol car travel from west to east on Tenth Street, crossing through the intersection with Patton.  Scoggins saw the patrol car come to a stop and noticed the officer having a conversation with a man who was walking on the sidewalk.  Scoggins heard the shots, looked up and saw the man running towards his cab.  Scoggins got out of his cab and hid beside it as the cop-killer passed.  He (Scoggins) testified that the man (who he positively identified as Lee Oswald) was wearing a jacket.

Barbara Davis was inside her house on Tenth Street (400 East Tenth St.) at the corner of Patton Avenue when she heard the gun shots.  She went to her front door and noticed a man (who she positively identified as Lee Oswald) cutting across her front yard, heading towards Patton with a gun in his hands.  She testified to the Warren Commission that the cop-killer had on a dark coat as he cut across her yard.

Virginia Davis was inside the same house on Tenth Street as was her sister-in-law, Barbara, when she heard the shots.  Virginia went to the door and saw a man cutting across the yard with a gun in his hands.  Virginia testified to the Warren Commission that the man (who she positively identified as Lee Oswald) had on a light-brown-tan jacket.

Ted Callaway was on the front porch of his office near the alley between Tenth and Jefferson when he heard the shots come from the vicinity of Tenth Street.  He saw a man (who he positively identified as Lee Oswald) cutting across the yard of the house on the corner (Barbara and Virginia Davis) and noticed William Scoggins ducking beside the cab as the man passed, running down Patton from Tenth, holding a gun in his hands.  Callaway stated that the man had on a light tannish-gray windbreaker jacket.  Callaway testified to the Warren Commission that CE-162 (the jacket found on the ground under a car at the Texaco lot) looked like the jacket that the man was wearing as he was running from the scene.

Sam Guinyard was on Patton Ave. when he heard the shots.  Like the others, Guinyard saw the man (who he positively identified as Lee Oswald) cut across the yard of the Davis house on the corner of Tenth and Patton.  Guinyard testified that the man was running down Patton with a gun in his hands.  Guinyard testified to the Warren Commission that Oswald was wearing sort of a light-gray-looking jacket as he ran from the scene.

Warren Reynolds was inside the office at Reynolds Motor Company, located on the corner of Patton and Jefferson.  Reynolds saw a man running down Patton with a gun in his hands and turn the corner onto Jefferson.   Reynolds stated that he followed the man, who he believed in his own mind was Lee Oswald, and saw him go behind the Texaco Station on Jefferson.

A light colored jacket (CE-162) was found on the ground under a car in the parking lot behind the Texaco station.

Johnny Brewer was working in his shoe shop on Jefferson Boulevard.  He noticed a man duck into the recessed area of the storefront, looking nervous and appearing to avoid the police cars that were racing up and down Jefferson with sirens blaring.  Brewer stated that the man, who he identified as Lee Oswald, was NOT wearing a jacket.

Why did Lee Oswald ditch his jacket?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1262 on: August 11, 2019, 01:10:52 PM »
.... the eyewitnesses who positively identified Oswald, said Oswald was wearing a jacket.
Actually, at the end of the day, it was the police/FBI/Warren Report who said Oswald  was positively identified.  The dubious testimonies of all these people have been scrutinized dozens of times and everyone knows it.
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...Oswald putting on a jacket and zipping it up as he went out the front door, adding that it was the type of jacket that zips up in the front.
As opposed  to a jacket that zips up the back?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1263 on: August 11, 2019, 02:27:08 PM »

Posted by: John Mytton----
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He was wearing a WHITE shirt, what's your point?
Wearing a T-shirt [which people would say] under another shirt under a Brown jacket..sighted from far enough away that Mr Smith stated he could NOT IDENTIFY the shooter.
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For instance, A and B in the following image are the same.
What is YOUR point? A & B are the same what? Color? Size? Shape? Or just another silly illustration?
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"Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman." - Helen Markham
This whole case is #2

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1264 on: August 11, 2019, 02:46:38 PM »

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.
Mr. BELIN - Did it have buttons or a zipper, or do you remember?
Mr. BENAVIDES - It seemed like it was a zipper-type jacket.

~snip~

JohnM



Testimony Of Domingo Benavides

Mr. BELIN - Where were you when your vehicle stopped?
Mr. BENAVIDES - About 15 foot, just directly across the street and maybe a car length away from the police car.

~snip~

Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.

~snip~

A photo below of Ozzie in custody the same day Benavides observed and described Tippit's killer.
He's obviously not the person he saw at murder scene.

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1265 on: August 12, 2019, 04:12:43 AM »
"Lexical semantics" LOL

Yes, that's what one witness said, so what? and btw how in any way does that nullify a stack of supporting evidence for Oswald wearing a light coloured jacket?

JohnM

"Lexical semantics" LOL

Poor Johnny, if only you understood the meaning of the comment..... you wouldn't be laughing as loud and showing off your ignorance in the process....

Yes, that's what one witness said, so what? and btw how in any way does that nullify a stack of supporting evidence for Oswald wearing a light coloured jacket?

Circular reasoning.... ever heard of it?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1266 on: August 12, 2019, 05:24:59 AM »

Testimony Of Domingo Benavides

Mr. BELIN - Where were you when your vehicle stopped?
Mr. BENAVIDES - About 15 foot, just directly across the street and maybe a car length away from the police car.

~snip~

Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.

~snip~

A photo below of Ozzie in custody the same day Benavides observed and described Tippit's killer.
He's obviously not the person he saw at murder scene.



Oswald-on-the-street at the Tippit scene was seen by witnesses to be wearing a jacket. Too bad he threw it under the bus (so-to-speak).

The combination of the shirt and jacket could have ridden up somewhat, especially as he was in the process of turning away from the witness... and concealed the lower part of the hair, giving a squared-off look.

Note the squared-off jacket collar


 
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