Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo

[Jim Hawthorn]

   That photo of the WASH Bucket sitting next to the JFK Limo at Parkland Hospital reveals this "crime scene" to have been tainted. The JFK Limo is worthless regarding Evidence. This includes all possible bullet fragments within. To put the top on the car at Parkland meant even the visors were Moved into the Down position. This too tainted the crime scene/JFK Limo. The jump seats were moved around, SS Agents were tramping around inside the vehicle as they struggled to remove JFK's body, etc. On and On it goes. The JFK Limo issa dead fish regarding Legit Evidence.

Apart from that bullet hole/impact.

[Andrew Mason]

Are you suggesting that Altgens was crouching for #6 and on his tiptoes for #7?

[Andrew Mason]

Apart from that bullet hole/impact.

It does look like the mirror was dented in the middle:



although there is no mention of the mirror in the Secret Service report of their inspection of the car (CD80). But it was replaced at some point because the current mirror (Ford Museum) is different:

[Jim Hawthorn]

It does look like the mirror was dented in the middle:

Who knows. It could have been slightly crumpled like that before November 22nd.

[Royell Storing]

 During his WC Testimony, Altgens challenged the generally accepted physical position that was being assigned to him on Elm St. Any calculations that are made which involve the alleged physical position of Altgens need to include the "Altgens Disclaimer".

[Andrew Mason]

Who knows. It could have been slightly crumpled like that before November 22nd.

Yes.  The Rowley report (CD80) mentions that SA Gies, who was responsible for the care and maintenance for the car, thought the damage to the windshield frame was done earlier at the Lincoln dealer on November 1, 1961. (the year must be a typo, but that is what the report says). Gies said that they were making repairs to the crank that secures the convertible top and damage may have occurred then.  So maybe that damaged the mirror. 

The story seems rather implausible as it means that not a single person noticed the damage to the frame.  A photo of the car taken at Love Field on 22Nov63 shows no sign of damage there:


although the windshield upper frame is partially blocked by the roof support.  However, damage should still have been visible if it existed then as it is in the upper part of the frame that is visible in the Love Field photo:

[Andrew Mason]

There was mirror slant at Love Field before the motorcade began that equals that in the Parkland picture.

Thanks for posting these Jerry.  Where did you find that Love Field photo?  I have been searching for that kind of view from Love Field.

I don't necessarily agree that the mirror hasn't moved between Altgens #6 and Altgens #7.  But your photos do show that the windshield frame damage was not there at Love Field:

Here is the detail of the damage at Parkland:


But the same location shows no damage at Love Field prior to the motorcade departing:


That certainly rebuts the suggestion made by SA Gies in the Rowley letter that the damage may have occurred before Nov 22/63!