Bullet hole in windshield on JFK's Limo

[Royell Storing]

Nothing "convenient" about the mirror in the 3D version of the garage photo appearing smaller. The position of the disc representing damage was based not on the mirror, which I noticed was different, but on the windshield in general. The blue outline of the "nebula" was drawn from the Altgens Photo. The mirrors appear to match in the Altgens photo recreation. Could be that in the garage photo, the mirror needs to be drawn forward in space a bit (which would then make it larger in regards to camera-view). Possibly the stem supporting the mirror is not correct.

I see no need to alter the disc representing the main area of the windshield damage. As the garage photo shows, the damage relative to the mirror was over towards the driver's side. The disc is also lower in elevation compared to the "Nebula" defect.

I think you ought to work this out in 3D being declaring the "Spiral Nebula" is the large windshield defect.

   ALL garage photos of the JFK Limo are tainted. Once the sun visors were lowered at Parkland Hospital in order to place the assembled top on the Limo made this an ALTERED crime scene. And then there's the Parkland Hospital photo of the wash bucket on the ground beside the Limo. This further taints the JFK Limo possessing any level of legit evidentiary value

[Jim Hawthorn]

Nothing "convenient" about the mirror in the 3D version of the garage photo appearing smaller. The position of the disc representing damage was based not on the mirror, which I noticed was different, but on the windshield in general. The blue outline of the "nebula" was drawn from the Altgens Photo. The mirrors appear to match in the Altgens photo recreation. Could be that in the garage photo, the mirror needs to be drawn forward in space a bit (which would then make it larger in regards to camera-view). Possibly the stem supporting the mirror is not correct.

I see no need to alter the disc representing the main area of the windshield damage. As the garage photo shows, the damage relative to the mirror was over towards the driver's side. The disc is also lower in elevation compared to the "Nebula" defect.

I think you ought to work this out in 3D being declaring the "Spiral Nebula" is the large windshield defect.

Whatever, the 3D image needs correcting, with the rear view mirror at the correct width. It's the only thing in the image which isn't at the right dimensions. We're talking about very important fine details so that needs to be corrected.

[Jim Hawthorn]

Meanwhile, if you have a better 2D or 3D image that maps your claim that the "Nebula" is directly over the actual windshield damage area, it would be nice if you showed it.

Didn't you do the 3D images that you posted? If you did, all you have to do is put the mirror at the correct size.
If you can't do it in 3D, you could simply correct the 2D images. I'll do it soon.

[Jim Hawthorn]

Meanwhile, if you have a better 2D or 3D image that maps your claim that the "Nebula" is directly over the actual windshield damage area, it would be nice if you showed it.

So, this first image shows the errors in the diagram that you posted. In the 3D model, the rear view mirror is too small and the impact is slightly off to the right:




In the following image I have corrected those two errors (in Photoshop - it'd be better if this was done in the 3D model) and presto, the impact point on the windscreen lines up with what we see in Altgens 6:

[Jim Hawthorn]

My circle is off a whooping 1/8". What a nitpick. As explained to you, the damage was located using the windshield as a guide. The width of the mirror is secondary.

The Garage Photo is difficult to match as it has zoom and very little perpendiculars and straights. The camera angle is depressed and the field-of-vision is unknown. In time, it could be worked out. Much easier to maintain some precision with a photo like the Altgens Photo.

As I predicted, you have now created a new error. It is certainly better to leave the scale of the mirror alone as doing so preserves its match with the Altgens Photo. Personally, I can't see how your new version has the "Nebula" shape corresponding with the windshield damage disc.

So you have never done an original mapping of the damage area on the windshield to see if it corresponded to the "Nebula" shape in the Altgens Photo. You simply thought it did.

This isn't a 100% exact science but if your claim is that your initial diagram constitutes some sort of proof, it cannot if that rear view is of the wrong dimensions in the 3D model (when everything else is at the correct size).
Don't forget that the zoom I posted earlier in the thread clearly shows starburst rays of light reflecting off the bullet impact in front of the mirror. What we see in Altgens 6 is the bullet impact (with a slightly darker centre) directly aligned with the glimpse we have of the light coloured bag that the woman is holding.

Also, even in your diagram, we can see that the downward crack in the glass is in front of Kennedy's shoulder!



Here's the image that I posted earlier:



So this bullet impact on the windshield obviously happened at the same time as he "magic bullet" shot.

[Jim Hawthorn]

Also, look at the shape of the mirror in Algens 6 (on the right below). If there is no bullet impact, we should see a curved edge.
What we in fact see is the bullet impact in front of the edge of the mirror (with light rays coming off it in front of the mirror).

[Charles Collins]

I haven’t followed this thread so I apologize if I am repeating anything that has already been covered. But it appears to me that there is some diffraction of light caused by the aperture in the camera that is causing some “starburst effect” that is being confused with a bullet impact defect in the windshield. I have circled in red another area of bright white light that gives a similar effect. I don’t know exactly what the source of that white light is. Maybe someone else has an idea. Best I can tell, there is no windshield defect that corresponds to the “starburst” I have circled in red. Please let me know if you have an idea of the source of this patch of bright white light.  Thanks.