There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !

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Offline Jack Nessan

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2018, 02:07:04 PM »
The proper pronunciation is thirty-aught-six. However, where I come from, it is commonly pronounced as thirty-odd six.  Arnold never made that one up.

Specter obviously felt he did. I completely agree with Specter.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2018, 02:17:00 PM »
Then did Brennan (or whoever gave the police this description) fabricate that "the type of weapon looked like a 30-30 rifle or some type of Winchester"?

How did you determine that JFK was killed with 6.5mm caliber bullets?

You mean the way Brennan reconstructed the assassination in his mind until he finally convinced himself that it was Oswald he saw with a rifle?


I know exactly what is being referenced by the term 30-30 and Winchester type. Maybe this person has the same limited knowledge of firearms demonstrated by Rowland.

They did not find any trace of poison.

Brennan's contribution to the understanding of the assassination is not IDing LHO. I thought Curry said no one could place LHO with the rifle in the window. If you have better canidate than LHO as the shooter then explain it.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2018, 04:32:14 PM »
Not quite - The WC had asked the FBI to do a thorough check on his "background" after he gave his WC testimony.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11187&search=arnold_rowland+fbi#relPageId=2&tab=page

The WC became "concerned" because he saw an unarmed "elderly Negro" in the SE window ("SN" window) of the 6th floor from 12.15 pm - 12.25 pm. Because he didn't disclose this observation to his wife, they didn't believe him. Rowland (who found out where the shots had been fired from the day after) had mentioned the Negro gentleman to the FBI officers on the Saturday, but according to Rowland they were "not interested". They were interested in whether he could ID the gunman - he could not. He was interviewed SEVEN times by the FBI.

The WC DID believe his observation of a white male gunman at the SW end of the 6th floor at 12.15 pm because he had disclosed this information to his wife.

However, 10 minutes or so post shots, he mentioned observing TWO people on the 6th floor - one an armed white male to Officer Craig.

Several other witnesses had also seen TWO people on the 6th floor.

The presence of an additional person on the 6th floor could possibly mean an accomplice or co-conspirator. This didn't bode well for a "LN scenario".

Since Arnold mentioned an "elderly Negro" they (FBI) took him to his word and the FBI looked at Piper and West, neither of which had a red/green shirt that day or were on the 6th floor.

Problem was - Arnold was at some distance from the TSBD and he could not have possibly accurately
"guessed" the age of the Negro gentleman.

What the WC did know and didn't disclose to Rowland was that there was a tall, thin, short haired Negro gentleman who wore a green Khaki shirt and was on the 6th floor after 12 noon and admitted to leaving the floor when he heard both Norman and Jarman arrive onto the 5th floor (12.25 pm onward). He was Bonnie Ray Williams (BRW).

Instead of doing the obvious and challenging BRW with the observation of Rowland or showing a photo of BRW to Rowland - the WC set out to use the FBI to discredit him instead.

Mr David Belin also used Arnold's wife to "character assassinate" him as well.

People saw men on various floors and some where not sure which floor. List those who saw men on the sixth floor for sure

"The WC DID believe his observation of a white male gunman at the SW end of the 6th floor at 12.15 pm because he had disclosed this information to his wife".
>LOL. Is that the 'disclosed' information to his wife that he saw a white male at 12:15 but had disappeared by the time his wife looked?

And by the way, why are you calling the fact that Rowland had a backstory of being essentially a BS artist a character assassination? It Brennan for instance had a backstory of being untruthful and a braggart, you little GD hypocrites would be all over that.
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2018, 04:47:35 PM »

I know exactly what is being referenced by the term 30-30 and Winchester type. Maybe this person has the same limited knowledge of firearms demonstrated by Rowland.

They did not find any trace of poison.

Brennan's contribution to the understanding of the assassination is not IDing LHO. I thought Curry said no one could place LHO with the rifle in the window. If you have better canidate than LHO as the shooter then explain it.

Brennan if fact testified as to his lack of expertise regarding firearms

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2018, 11:14:31 PM »
.306 ....Or the FBI Agent wrote it down exactly like he said it, Three OH Six. Just like the 30 Odd Six another cartridge that doesn't exist. The US military had recently developed a new cartridge to be used in the M1A's called the .308, pronounced Three OH Eight, Rowland makes up his own cartridge again and calls it the Three OH Six which is what the FBI Agent wrote down.  The British also had a cartridge called the Three OH Three (.303) from World War II. Once again he gets it wrong. Apparently he changed from Three OH Six to 30 Odd Six. Either way Specter shows he has know idea what he is talking about. Once again you cannot tell the caliber of a rifle from a distance.

Have you really never heard "thirty aught six" before?  Where are you from?

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All Rowland had to do was repeat his affidavit from 11/22 but he was unable to to that without embelishing the story.

Why are you special-pleading Rowland?  Brennan mentioned details in his testimony that he didn't give in his affidavit.  Like the small matter that it was Oswald he saw.  Brennan also went as far as describing the height, weight, and age of a guy he saw hanging out of a window.  And his description didn't match Oswald.

Could it be that you're focused on Rowland's inconsistencies just because you don't like what he reported?  We know BRW was up there during that time, which is more than we can say about Oswald.
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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2018, 11:24:40 PM »
Brennan's contribution to the understanding of the assassination is not IDing LHO.

What exactly do you think his contribution is?

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If you have better canidate than LHO as the shooter then explain it.

If you can show that LHO was the shooter then explain it.

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Re: There was No Roll Call at the TSBD !
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2018, 11:28:43 PM »
And by the way, why are you calling the fact that Rowland had a backstory of being essentially a BS artist a character assassination? It Brennan for instance had a backstory of being untruthful and a braggart, you little GD hypocrites would be all over that.

Strawman.  But has it ever occurred to you why the WC specifically set out to discredit Rowland and didn't do that to Brennan or any other witness who supported their conclusions?