Prayer Woman

[Barry Pollard]

Barry - we're expected to believe in real life that the person up there held that awkward position from the time the two films were shot?  Possibly 30-45 seconds? I don't think so, Barry. If the person up there was genuinely interested in being there to see the president go by, why in the world would a person shorter than the other taller guy be standing down with one foot on the step? It's illogical and doesn't make sense.

Michael, there is nothing in Weigman that suggests PM was facing anywhere other than directly forward, his whole body, so both feet are on the same step at that time, then two woman come racing up to the bottom of the steps and others are heading that way too, so PM perhaps turns to his left to give them more room to pass by, the best way to do that on those thin steps is by putting one foot up on the next one. That's all we're seeing IMO  if Stancak has his leg correct.

[Barry Pollard]

Fair enough, Barry, though in a stabilized version I would expect at least one point in the image (e.g. the white pillar) to be fixed? Either way, any movement in PrayerPerson's body seems to correspond to movement of fixed structures like the wall. Darnell's camera moves, changing the angle slightly.

Alan, if you study the full version of the Darnell footage that that small crop most likely came from you can focus on the traffic light and sign posts on the island and see they are lined up in each frame. However, zoom in on those same items and you'll see that they are moving not much but enough, they're  "breathing", the footage goes in and out of focus all the time, everything is breathing, it's live. Now in my own limited experience with it when I tried to duplicate Gerda's techniques I found that the wall near PM was the worst thing to use as a focus point not only is it breathing, it creates duplicates of itself so you cannot tell which one is the real wall/pillar in many frames.
PM's arms or hands could be moving but yes I agree, since everything else is when it shouldn't be, I'm not 100% sure.
As to your folded arms idea in one of the better frames it looks as though he/she has the right arm away from the body I'll try and find it.

[Barry Pollard]

Barry, I agree that Stancak has done some terrific work on this but I think Brian is right (it happens now and then!) about the left leg's blocking the radiator in his suggested model of Prayer Man's posture in Darnell. This is a real problem as Darnell shows an unblocked radiator.

Above link's not working Alan but I noticed you pointed this out earlier in a Dfilm frame as did Brian but he couldn't post an example, I see what you do in that frame but I'm just not as sure as you are it's the radiator. I see a line beside it's leg or on it, can't tell if it's significant or not, is it visable in only one frame? "ARTIFACT!", Again not sure but would love to see more.

Here's one for you my man.
You say that Lovelady is only one step lower than PM but in another gif you show him on a higher step, appearing equally as tall as PM, do you see any problem there?
BL was, by the rumours I've heard including BWF, shorter than LHO.  That 5.2' estimate from Buell to Gary has to be a mistake though surely,

[Alan Ford]

Alan, if you study the full version of the Darnell footage that that small crop most likely came from you can focus on the traffic light and sign posts on the island and see they are lined up in each frame. However, zoom in on those same items and you'll see that they are moving not much but enough, they're  "breathing", the footage goes in and out of focus all the time, everything is breathing, it's live. Now in my own limited experience with it when I tried to duplicate Gerda's techniques I found that the wall near PM was the worst thing to use as a focus point not only is it breathing, it creates duplicates of itself so you cannot tell which one is the real wall/pillar in many frames.
PM's arms or hands could be moving but yes I agree, since everything else is when it shouldn't be, I'm not 100% sure.

Thanks for the clarification about this being a crop, Barry, makes sense.

As to your folded arms idea in one of the better frames it looks as though he/she has the right arm away from the body I'll try and find it.

[Alan Ford]

Here's one for you my man.
You say that Lovelady is only one step lower than PM but in another gif you show him on a higher step, appearing equally as tall as PM, do you see any problem there?
BL was, by the rumours I've heard including BWF, shorter than LHO.  That 5.2' estimate from Buell to Gary has to be a mistake though surely,

I don't see any problem at all there, Barry. Lovelady was 5'8". Very pleasing to see a frame of him side by side with Prayer Man in which their heights are very close!

[Alan Ford]

Since a reply to a post by me, I will simply state the question is not asking who was there, but it is asking for an identification of an image of someone who is there. The ScarfLadyImage does indicate some resemblance to PrayerPersonImage, and although minor, still worth investigating.

The ScarfLadyImage identity topic has been around about 18 months, as indicated in a thread/discussion on DPF that was started in January, 2017. And, to my knowledge, yet to be positively correctly identified.

No, it's been around 5 years!
She's not Prayer Man
-------------most likely she's either Vida Lee Whatley or Virginia H. Barnum 

[Alan Ford]

I recall reading somewhere about a claim from the late Jack White that Carolyn Johnston (nee Arnold) indicated that she had more to tell of her LHO 11.22.63 sighting and would do so through her lawyer after her retirement.

Theory!

Arnold saw LHO twice that day
------------FIRST in the second floor lunchroom (ca. 12.20)
------------SECOND behind the glass entrance doorway on the first floor (very shortly before the motorcade arrived).

I.e....
------------she told the FBI about both sightings but they only allowed the second one go on record
------------when Anthony Summers contacted her in 1978 she was horrified to hear that the lunchroom sighting had been suppressed by the FBI... but emphatically disowned the doorway sighting out of fear of personal and/or professional repercussions... she was now Carolyn Johnston and had built up a new professional life... understandable!

But I do hope she sees her way to going on the record again!