Prayer Woman

[Alan Ford]

Off-topic question!

Is there consensus on what is causing the apparent shadow line down Lovelady's body?

[Barry Pollard]

Crop from Murray or Allen I forget sorry, around 1:00-1:15PM I suppose, full image somewhere halfway through this thread.
Only evidence of shadow I found is on the young man's back but even this is debateable, could be something in the background nearer the door, he's a short arm's length from the rail IMO.

[Alan Ford]

I was more open-minded and explored it with Brian but could find no evidence from any images taken in the next hour that showed anyone near BL's position being hit by shadow(except one I'll post it soon), if I was more familiar with those same images and where the west wall's shadow line ends I would have known it was a nobrainer from the start. I would say Andrej's shadow line is pretty close, I only doubt the hand of Darnell's PM being hit by sunlight, frankly I don't see it, Andrej does and I think that is why it is in his Darnell model.

I've not seen it explained elsewhere but it may well have been, as you can see from that last gif, the lower BL is, the more shadow he catches, this makes no sense and again no sign of shadow in later photos on anyone near this position close to the rail. Until I learn differently it's a photographic anomaly.

It's most peculiar, isn't it, Barry? What an unfortunate place for such an anomaly to present itself!

I'd be extremely interested in seeing that exception you say you came across.

Yes, I think Andrej's sunlight-on-hand assumption is more than questionable and leads him (and of course Brian) into unnecessary complication.

[Alan Ford]

Crop from Murray or Allen I forget sorry, around 1:00-1:15PM I suppose, full image somewhere halfway through this thread.
Only evidence of shadow I found is on the young man's back but even this is debateable, could be something in the background nearer the door, he's a short arm's length from the rail IMO.

Thanks, Barry. The Wiegman shadow mystery remains!



When Lovelady's on the higher step, the 'shadow' is not cleanly vertical. He's leaning east, and the 'shadow' with him. Could he be wearing a dark, unzipped jacket over his shirt??

[Barry Pollard]

I don't see any problem at all there, Barry. Lovelady was 5'8". Very pleasing to see a frame of him side by side with Prayer Man in which their heights are very close!

If the 5.8' height is correct Alan I agree, it's not a problem, do you remember where the source of that height comes from?  I guess I should know it but I don't.

^
PS. In that image above the young man is assumed to be still on the top step where he is seen in another image with one foot up on the landing.
PPS. Yes a jacket solves it but there is no evidence in Hughes he has on anything other than his shirt, have you seen that?  I haven't for a while, BL leans out puts his hand up to shield his eyes and then steps back to the shade? Also there's the Couch and Martin film BL's to consider.

[Alan Ford]

If the 5.8' height is correct Alan I agree, it's not a problem, do you remember where the source of that height comes from?  I guess I should know it but I don't.

It's in one of the FBI reports, Barry.

PS. In that image above the young man is assumed to be still on the top step where he is seen in another image with one foot up on the landing.
PPS. Yes a jacket solves it but there is no evidence in Hughes he has on anything other than his shirt, have you seen that?  I haven't for a while, BL leans out puts his hand up to shield his eyes and then steps back to the shade? Also there's the Couch and Martin film BL's to consider.

Well, then perhaps the man in Hughes is not Lovelady but another man wearing a reddish shirt?

[Barry Pollard]

Thanks for the source Alan and... after seeing a nice zoomed in and "stabilized" crop of the Hughes doorway I found it hard to see anyone other than the Lovelady after a minute, it's rather good from so far away, wasn't looking for a jacket at that time though.