Prayer Woman

[Barry Pollard]

Being somewhat of an old school mindset, I do wonder, as I wander, if posted images have any authenticity factor requirement, unless specifically indicated otherwise if enhanced and/or altered?

Yes, all images are original and authenticated in advance by Gary Mack, any forgeries or tampering result in immeadiate suspension(I guess you're safe eh).
!00% legit straight from Darnell to your damned eyes.

[Barry Pollard]

Looks like the door's being open inwards to me Alan and if F and S are as close to the door as you think, that would be the polite thing to do, I'm assuming it opened both ways anyway. I think you're right though, door starts from closed position and thaose shadows looks legit.

Do you think Fraziers pos' on the landing makes a difference?

[Alan Ford]

Looks like the door's being open inwards to me Alan and if F and S are as close to the door as you think, that would be the polite thing to do, I'm assuming it opened both ways anyway. I think you're right though, door starts from closed position and thaose shadows looks legit.

Do you think Fraziers pos' on the landing makes a difference?

Barry, what these two reflections---------



-----------suggest to me is that Frazier is nearer the door than A.N.Other. However, as the door handle is on its east side, it's possible for someone inside to open the door by pushing it a little forward without the door hitting A.N.Other (i.e. the person coming out can slip out without opening the door fully).

However! The very next frame, and the way Frazier's reflection seems to move a little east----------



-----------suggests that you may be right about the door being opened inwards! 


Frazier's being further back on the landing may be irrelevant to the Prayer Man issue, then again maybe not
-----------relative height calculations can be thrown off by this kind of thing!

BTW------------do you think A.N.Other is Sarah Stanton?

[Alan Ford]

Compare relative height of motorcycle cop's reflected head and his actual head, here------



--------with relative height of Frazier's reflected head and HIS actual head, here:



I'm not at all sure Frazier is as far forward on the landing as Andrej puts him!

[Michael Walton]

Compare relative height of motorcycle cop's reflected head and his actual head, here------



--------with relative height of Frazier's reflected head and HIS actual head, here:



I'm not at all sure Frazier is as far forward on the landing as Andrej puts him!

It never fails - every single time I see Stancak's cartoon model with that leg down on the second step, I get a big kick out of it.  Figuratively speaking. That's his way of justifying how the 5-9 LHO appear much shorter up there. Hilarious!

And yet, if it's a *woman* up there - much shorter and there to see the president go by - why in the world would she be standing with one leg down, knowing she's short and would want both legs up there to peer over everyone else.

It's hilarious while also being fxxxing goofy too.

[Barry Pollard]

Ahh, no reason for me to think it can only be Stanton Alan, It's just for my convenience really and in part, a reaction of sorts. An antidote or crucifix.

You look to be right with Frazier, the shadow he casts on the door and the lintel's own from above, both suggest he's further back,
"Stanton" or w/e always looked to be behind or beside him, clearly wrong now.
IMO that door cannot overhang the landing, for safety/architectural reasons, we can see that officer is at the end of it and the shadow more or less matches that on BWF.
Seems obvious now after what you posted that either Frasier was further back than that cop or he was slightly taller.

Frazier's shadow does indeed move east on the door, I see it now too ty but... let's wait for Brian "what reflections?" comfirmation.
On that side, no matter which way the door opens he was pretty safe and I agree, it now look's like he's right up next to it.

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[James Hackerott]

This simulation shows how the reflections change in Darnell with the door opening inwards. No such reflections are seen with the door opening outwards (toward the camera).  Also, the reflection is shown for PP advancing back near the corner towards the edge of the landing. Both Frazier and the man to his left are  near the front edge of the landing.