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Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #609 on: July 16, 2018, 12:41:17 AM »
Being of a somewhat 'old school mindset', I do wonder, as I wander, if any posted reply quote has any verifiable authenticity requirement, as well as a complete statement, unaltered in any way requirement?

Any posted reply indicated as a comment quote with any portion omitted, and any deletion, as well as any rephrasing,  that tends to alter and/or redirect original context should not be posted as a 'quote', with omitted portions, and deletions, as well as rephrased or altered, unless specifically indicated as being altered, rephrased, and as well with having portion omissions, and/or deletions.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #610 on: July 16, 2018, 12:32:47 PM »
Alan, Thank you for your response.

You ask an interesting question. However, there are two consequences of moving Frazier towards the doorway. The first, to my estimation, is moving 1 foot backwards will push Frazier deeper into the shadow of the lintel.

The second effect is that pushing him backwards 1 foot also requires him to also move about 4-5 inches westward to maintain the lineup of camera, Frazier and the aluminum vertical frame. This movement also results in the reflection moving westward ? too far in IMO.

An overlay with a Darnell frame with the doorway reflecting the bright sky shows that Frazier, and possibly his friend on his left, are standing near the front edge of the landing.

I don't have any comments on the policeman image as I have not studied it at this time.

Comments?


Thanks, James.

It still seems counterintuitive to me that Frazier at such distance from the glass door would be casting a reflection positioned like this:



As a person moves forward even a short amount from the glass, the reflection will surely appear lower, in the way we see with the motorcycle officer here:



Are we 100% sure this reflection IS Frazier's?

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Offline Chris Davidson

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #611 on: July 16, 2018, 09:12:37 PM »
The Lovelady shadow:


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #612 on: July 16, 2018, 09:40:23 PM »
The Lovelady shadow:



Where, Chris? I don't see it!

Online James Hackerott

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #613 on: July 16, 2018, 09:53:11 PM »
Alan,
It took me almost 5 hours to simulate the Allen photo (which required using the full frame), that mostly involves placing and rotating the camera. It models nicely the reflections of the MC cop on the right, as well as part of the officer reflected in the door. The sun was modeled at 13:25.

I stand by my earlier work that those are indeed the reflections of Frazier and the person shown to his left (is that Molina)?



Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #614 on: July 16, 2018, 10:29:41 PM »
Where, Chris? I don't see it!

I think Chris might be confusing something dark on the landing for shadow on the man's back, probably in the early frames of that gif before the cop's own shadow touches him.

I had an issue like that earlier. 

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #615 on: July 17, 2018, 12:24:39 PM »
Alan,
It took me almost 5 hours to simulate the Allen photo (which required using the full frame), that mostly involves placing and rotating the camera. It models nicely the reflections of the MC cop on the right, as well as part of the officer reflected in the door. The sun was modeled at 13:25.

I stand by my earlier work that those are indeed the reflections of Frazier and the person shown to his left (is that Molina)?



Thanks, James!  Thumb1:

Not to nitpick, but I still can't for the life of me work out how the head of Frazier at the edge of the landing--------i.e. several feet forward from the glass--------could be casting a reflection this high and this far west:



Given Darnell's perspective, and Frazier's distance from the glass, I would have thought the reflection dotted in green would be a less unrealistic candidate for Frazier's reflection: