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Online Zeon Mason

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1428 on: March 03, 2019, 12:47:00 AM »
Because Virgie Rachley FBI statement refers to Carolyn Arnold, as having"accompanied" Rachley going outside of TSBD at time of 12:15, and yet Rachley did NOT see Oswald, then the sighting of Oswald IN the 2nd floor lunchroom by Arnold, in isolation, is a curious detail.

The door of the lunchroom would have to be OPEN to see anyone sitting at a table, if just bypassing thru the vestibule, on the way to the short 30 ft outer hallway, and then to a water fountain.
Reason given by Carolyn Arnold, in the Earl Gotz 1978 newpaper article, to go the 2nd floor lunchroom was "to get some water".

It is unclear is there was actually a sink with faucet IN the 2nd floor lunchroom or not, however.

There IS for certain, a water fountain located in the 30 ft section of outer hallway, between mens and womens bathrooms.

So its a question if Carolyn Arnold may have gone out the office back door to go to the water fountain, and then went down the 50 ft length of hallway , and then joined Rachley exiting the front door, which would be 12:15 approximately. There after "accompanying" Virgie the rest of the way out of TSBD.

If its the water fountain, then either Oswald was seen because Oswald was coming out of the 2nd floor lunchroom door, thus opening it, AS Carolyn went thru the vestibule, OR, when Carolyn was at the water fountain,, "getting some water", Oswald opened the HALLWAY door!!

If Oswald was opening the hallway door, that could only be to ENTER the outer hallway. And if Oswald was entering the hallway, it was probably for reason of going down it himself, to then head towards the front staircase, because HE TOO was taking the easiest route to get "out front" to "see the Presidential parade"
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1429 on: March 03, 2019, 12:51:49 AM »
Friends, one of the curiosities of how the BOOKHOUT-HOSTY interrogation report differs from the BOOKHOUT ALONE interrogation report is the way the first makes no mention of Mr Bill Shelley, whereas the second features him rather prominently!

Now!

Here we have a copy of that first joint report (disregard the green highlighting please!) on the top of which is handwritten the name of the man who goes curiously unmentioned in the report itself:



'Shelly, William'!

Does anyone here know what 'KP' stands for?

I'm guessing it's not 'Kein Problem'!  :D

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1430 on: March 03, 2019, 01:03:09 AM »

'Shelly, William'!

Does anyone here know what 'KP' stands for?

I'm guessing it's not 'Kein Problem'!  :D

'KP.' = Key Principal perhaps?

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1431 on: March 03, 2019, 01:09:03 AM »
One thing is for sure-----------

By the time Agent Bookhout gets to dictate his solo report after Mr Oswald's death, it will have become safe to include in an interrogation report the name of 'KP. Shelly, William'.



Though the spelling of his name will still be causing a problem!

Mr Oswald did mention Mr Shelley's name in that first interrogation: he told Fritz he was standing beside him when the P. Parade went past the building.

Once the lunchroom story had moved Mr Oswald away from the front entrance for the P. Parade, 'KP. Shelly, William' became the man Mr Oswald claimed to have stood beside several minutes after the parade!

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1432 on: March 03, 2019, 01:16:02 AM »

Mr Oswald did mention Mr Shelley's name in that first interrogation: he told Fritz he was standing beside him when the P. Parade went past the building.

Once the lunchroom story had moved Mr Oswald away from the front entrance for the P. Parade, 'KP. Shelly, William' became the man Mr Oswald claimed to have stood beside several minutes after the parade!

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Friends, increase the brightness setting of your monitor, and look at
--------Mr Billy Lovelady
--------behind him: Mr Oswald
--------standing beside Mr Oswald: KP. Shelly, William.

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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1433 on: March 03, 2019, 10:52:22 AM »
[...]  Now let's assume for the sake of argument that Calvery's son really did correctly identify Calvery in Betzner-3 [...].  How are you certain that tall [black headscarf-wearing] woman in Zapruder is the same person as [black headscarf and] glasses-[wearing] woman in Betzner-3?
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Iacoletti,

Look at the Z-film, Betzner-3, Willis-5, and Roberdeau's map -- on which he has John Templin and Ernest Brandt correctly identified, but the dot to the immediate left of Templin mysteriously unlabeled -- and I'm sure than even you can, by simultaneously referring to at least two of those four sources at any given time and noting the relative positions of Templin, Brandt, the Tall & Black-Headscarf/"Glasses-Wearing" Woman, and the Woman In All-White standing two people to her left, and, by actually DOING some honest mental triangulations of said figures in all four sources (if you are so capable), ... wah-lah ... correctly "connect the dots" regarding the positional relationship of that "mysto" dot to all of those people and ... gasp ... DEDUCE ... that yes!, the Tall & Black-Headscarf-Wearing Woman in Zapruder really is the same person as your Tall & "Glasses-Wearing" (as YOU so adroitly and correctly noticed, upon enlargement, presumably) ... Woman in Betzner-3.

Unless you don't want to, of course.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1434 on: March 03, 2019, 02:47:33 PM »
The Alleged Woman's Face : Transition Enlargement - Brightness And Contrast Enhancement Only.
If you are viewing on a PC, stand well back from your computer screen.

Source Gif: Creator Unknown.


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