Buell Wesley Frazier

[Tom Sorensen]

Huh?  Do you mean that I need to be present at the event to confirm any fact from history?  For example, I can't "know" that Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg address until Elon Musk invents a time machine that allows me to attend the event in person?  Wow.  Aren't you embarrassed to peddle such nonsense?

Mr. BALL. Did you notice whether or not Lee had a package that looked
like a lunch package that morning?

Mr. FRAZIER. You know like I told you earlier, I say, he didn’t take his
lunch because I remember right when I got in the car 1 asked him where was
his lunch and he said he was going to buy his lunch that day.

Mr. BALL. He told you that that day, did he?

Xr. FRAZIER. Right. That is right. So, I assumed he was going to buy it,
you know, from that catering service man like a lot of the boys do. They
don’t bring their lunch but they go out and buy their lunch there.

As Martin pointed out, you have blind faith in anything that supports your preferred narrative, not so much if it doesn't fit your fantasy—Nutter Trait Classic. There's no one alive to verify Frazier's story. Thanks to Cpt. Fritz, we don't even know what Oswald actually said during his interrogation. Any progress on Oswald's rifle practice?

[Michael Capasse]

Randle said: "Oswald gripped the bag in his right hand near the top. "It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand." WCR page 133

"Mrs. Randle saw the bag fleetingly and her first remembrance is that it was held in Oswald's right hand "and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.'' WCR page 134

[Duncan MacRae]

"Oswald gripped the bag in his right hand near the top. "It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand." WCR page 133

"Mrs. Randle saw the bag fleetingly and her first remembrance is that it was held in Oswald's right hand "and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.'' WCR page 134

[Michael Capasse]

This is the best evidence of Frazier [himself] demonstrating exactly what he did, and did not see:
https://jfk.boards.net/post/7312

[Richard Smith]

As Martin pointed out, you have blind faith in anything that supports your preferred narrative, not so much if it doesn't fit your fantasy—Nutter Trait Classic. There's no one alive to verify Frazier's story. Thanks to Cpt. Fritz, we don't even know what Oswald actually said during his interrogation. Any progress on Oswald's rifle practice?

I have "blind faith" when the person who was present at the event with no apparent reason to lie about an innocuous event (i.e. he asked Oswald whether he carried his lunch that day and Oswald said no) confirms this happened.  How exactly could this be proven to your subjective satisfaction absent a time machine?  The real knee slapper is that you are relying on this same witness - who you appear to be suggesting lied about asking if Oswald had his lunch - for his estimate of the length of a bag that he hardly saw.  Riddle me this Batman, if Frazier was willing to lie about Oswald not carrying his lunch - again as you suggest he did - then why wouldn't he also confirm the more important fact that the bag was long enough to carry the rifle? HA HA HA.  I know logic and common sense are not among your strong points but this is actually embarrassing.

[Martin Weidmann]

I have "blind faith" when the person who was present at the event with no apparent reason to lie about an innocuous event (i.e. he asked Oswald whether he carried his lunch that day and Oswald said no) confirms this happened.  How exactly could this be proven to your subjective satisfaction absent a time machine?  The real knee slapper is that you are relying on this same witness - who you appear to be suggesting lied about asking if Oswald had his lunch - for his estimate of the length of a bag that he hardly saw.  Riddle me this Batman, if Frazier was willing to lie about Oswald not carrying his lunch - again as you suggest he did - then why wouldn't he also confirm the more important fact that the bag was long enough to carry the rifle? HA HA HA.  I know logic and common sense are not among your strong points but this is actually embarrassing.

I have "blind faith" when the person who was present at the event with no apparent reason to lie about an innocuous event (i.e. he asked Oswald whether he carried his lunch that day and Oswald said no) confirms this happened.

Sure, but your blind faith disappears like melting snow when that same person, who was present, says that the bag found at the TSBD wasn't the one he saw Oswald carry! Go figure...

Frazier saw Oswald carry the package underneath his armpit and in the cup of his hand. That's not an estimate. All you need to do is find out how long Oswald's arm was.

[John Mytton]

I have "blind faith" when the person who was present at the event with no apparent reason to lie about an innocuous event (i.e. he asked Oswald whether he carried his lunch that day and Oswald said no) confirms this happened.

Sure, but your blind faith disappears like melting snow when that same person, who was present, says that the bag found at the TSBD wasn't the one he saw Oswald carry! Go figure...

Frazier saw Oswald carry the package underneath his armpit and in the cup of his hand. That's not an estimate. All you need to do is find out how long Oswald's arm was.

Mr. BALL - All right. When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

"I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all."

@3:33

JohnM