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Offline Tom Sorensen

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #861 on: April 07, 2025, 06:02:21 AM »

Mrs. Randle: "..., whom I learned later was Mr. Oswald, ..."

ROFL

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« Reply #862 on: April 07, 2025, 06:33:32 AM »
I have "blind faith" when the person who was present at the event with no apparent reason to lie about an innocuous event (i.e. he asked Oswald whether he carried his lunch that day and Oswald said no) confirms this happened.  How exactly could this be proven to your subjective satisfaction absent a time machine?  The real knee slapper is that you are relying on this same witness - who you appear to be suggesting lied about asking if Oswald had his lunch - for his estimate of the length of a bag that he hardly saw.  Riddle me this Batman, if Frazier was willing to lie about Oswald not carrying his lunch - again as you suggest he did - then why wouldn't he also confirm the more important fact that the bag was long enough to carry the rifle? HA HA HA.  I know logic and common sense are not among your strong points but this is actually embarrassing.

I have "blind faith"

Common among MAGA xxxxxxx.

when the person who was present at the event with no apparent reason to lie about an innocuous event

Apparent.

(i.e. he asked Oswald whether he carried his lunch that day and Oswald said no) confirms this happened.

Classic Richard Smith misuse of "confirmed". There is no other account of what took place inside that car.

How exactly could this be proven to your subjective satisfaction absent a time machine? 

It couldn't, even objectively, and you're still struggling to understand this. Wow!

The real knee slapper is that you are relying on this same witness


False, I'm not relying on Frazier.

- who you appear to be suggesting lied about asking if Oswald had his lunch -

False, it may appear so to you for whatever reason.

for his estimate of the length of a bag that he hardly saw. 

I haven't referred to his estimate—DOH.

Riddle me this Batman, if Frazier was willing to lie about Oswald not carrying his lunch - again as you suggest he did -


Again, I haven't suggested that.

then why wouldn't he also confirm the more important fact that the bag was long enough to carry the rifle?

Because the curtain rods would fit the shorter bag, cupped in Oswald's hand, as claimed by Frazier.

HA HA HA. 


Certainly, you failed again.

I know logic and common sense are not among your strong points but this is actually embarrassing.


Knowing how MAGA logic works, I wouldn't be too concerned about your opinion.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2025, 06:36:44 AM by Tom Sorensen »

Online Tom Graves

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Re: Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #863 on: April 07, 2025, 10:10:32 AM »
If Buell Frazier was going to lie about the bag's existence, wouldn't he at least state that the bag was long enough to contain the rifle?  Why introduce a bag into the folklore but state that it was not long enough?

Maybe he intuited that it was a rifle and he was too embarrassed or felt culpable for not having told Mt. Truly or some other person of authority about it when they got to work.

Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #864 on: April 07, 2025, 11:20:34 AM »
Maybe he intuited that it was a rifle and he was too embarrassed or felt culpable for not having told Mt. Truly or some other person of authority about it when they got to work.

Yeah right.... and then, for the next 60 years, he keeps repeating the same story.  Thumb1:

 

Offline Michael Capasse

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« Reply #865 on: April 07, 2025, 11:34:04 AM »
Your right Linnie May describes holding it with two hands again:

Randle said: "Oswald gripped the bag in his right hand near the top. "It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand." WCR page 133

Gripping the bag and then hugging the bag are two different actions.

The bag then tapers and where he then is hugging it in his other hand.

Just like “and the bottom, he carried it this way,”

Pretty hard to escape Mrs Randle’s testimony. 

Mrs. RANDLE  .....“and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it”
Now explain how the bag could only be 27 inches long and LHO carried the bag in this manner.


...in his right hand. It makes no difference 27 in. or more.
There is nothing there about any OTHER hand
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Offline Jack Nessan

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« Reply #866 on: April 07, 2025, 02:17:55 PM »

...in his right hand. It makes no difference 27 in. or more.
There is nothing there about any OTHER hand

Unfortunately, you can’t ignore or dismiss this. 

“and the bottom he carried it this way,” or "It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand."

You post quotes without understanding what you are quoting? Both are references to holding the bag with the left hand.

You can become as brain dead as you want over the word left but you can't deny what she said.

 

Offline Michael Capasse

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« Reply #867 on: April 07, 2025, 02:35:35 PM »
Unfortunately, you can’t ignore or dismiss this. 

“and the bottom he carried it this way,” or "It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand."

Yes I can. And I do.


You post quotes without understanding what you are quoting? Both are references to holding the bag with the left hand.

There is no left hand.

The Commission found that Randle saw Oswald carrying the bag with only his right hand.
Here are 2 more quotes from the WCR that make that clear:

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Randle said: "Oswald gripped the bag in his right hand near the top. "It tapered like this as he hugged it in his hand." WCR page 133
"Mrs. Randle saw the bag fleetingly and her first remembrance is that it was held in Oswald's right hand "and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.'' WCR page 134

There was no other hand used or written into the WC findings. You're just making that up.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2025, 02:39:54 PM by Michael Capasse »