Paul Landis And What He Said

[Benjamin Cole]

The short story is Paul Landis, Secret Service agent on 11.22, said he found a whole slug on the rear seat of the limo post-assassination, which he then deposited on JFK's gurney or operating table inside Parkland Hospital.

That slug likely became CE-399.

Landis, 88 years old when he made that statement (in his 2023 book also) had not clarified what he did for 60 years, either to the WC or the HSCA.

Admittedly, that is dubious.

OTOH, there is no dispute Landis was Secret Service, and where he said he was on 11.22, and he had/has no history of fabrications or delusions. He is not in the same category as James Files or Ed Hoffman. By all accounts, Landis is an honorable guy.

Landis, at long last, may have wanted to get something off his chest.

So, how could a CE-399-looking slug end up on the rear seat of the limo?

If we assume the first shot that struck JFK, the one in his neck-back, was underpowered, and traveling at about 700 feet per second (fps), it would leave shallow wound, from which the slug could fall out. Especially after JFK was struck again, sending a shock wave through his body.

JFK was ~167 feet from the TSBD6 sniper window when first struck.

A shot fired at 700 fps over 167 feet would have a drop of about 11 inches---interesting, meaning if LHO or other sniper had zeroed in on JFK's skull, the shot would have struck about 11 inches lower, or into the neck-back area.

So why believe the first shot was underpowered?

Many witnesses described the first shot as different in pitch and volume from the second and third shots, which were in rapid sequence and louder.

One of shells found in the TSBD6 sniper nest had a crimp in its neck, possibly indicating it had been hand-packed--that is, used again after original manufacture. Hand-packing was not uncommon in the 1960s, to save money, and still happens among gun enthusiasts, particularly with .38 ammo. But hand-packing requires skill, and an amateur job might have been botched.

With a limited number of rounds, LHO or other sniper may have decided on hand-packing. Where LHO got his ammo has always been a mystery. No one knows.

Or maybe the first round was defective, straight from factory.

In any event, as recently pointed out by Michael Griffith, even the FBI concluded that JFK and Gov. JBC were struck by separate rounds.

The LNT remains implausible, as the HSCA concluded in 1979.

 

[John Corbett]

The short story is Paul Landis, Secret Service agent on 11.22, said he found a whole slug on the rear seat of the limo post-assassination, which he then deposited on JFK's gurney or operating table inside Parkland Hospital.

That slug likely became CE-399.

Landis, 88 years old when he made that statement (in his 2023 book also) had not clarified what he did for 60 years, either to the WC or the HSCA.

Admittedly, that is dubious.

OTOH, there is no dispute Landis was Secret Service, and where he said he was on 11.22, and he had/has no history of fabrications or delusions. He is not in the same category as James Files or Ed Hoffman. By all accounts, Landis is an honorable guy.

Landis, at long last, may have wanted to get something off his chest.

So, how could a CE-399-looking slug end up on the rear seat of the limo?

If we assume the first shot that struck JFK, the one in his neck-back, was underpowered, and traveling at about 700 feet per second (fps), it would leave shallow wound, from which the slug could fall out. Especially after JFK was struck again, sending a shock wave through his body.

JFK was ~167 feet from the TSBD6 sniper window when first struck.

A shot fired at 700 fps over 167 feet would have a drop of about 11 inches---interesting, meaning if LHO or other sniper had zeroed in on JFK's skull, the shot would have struck about 11 inches lower, or into the neck-back area.

So why believe the first shot was underpowered?

Many witnesses described the first shot as different in pitch and volume from the second and third shots, which were in rapid sequence and louder.

One of shells found in the TSBD6 sniper nest had a crimp in its neck, possibly indicating it had been hand-packed--that is, used again after original manufacture. Hand-packing was not uncommon in the 1960s, to save money, and still happens among gun enthusiasts, particularly with .38 ammo. But hand-packing requires skill, and an amateur job might have been botched.

With a limited number of rounds, LHO or other sniper may have decided on hand-packing. Where LHO got his ammo has always been a mystery. No one knows.

Or maybe the first round was defective, straight from factory.

In any event, as recently pointed out by Michael Griffith, even the FBI concluded that JFK and Gov. JBC were struck by separate rounds.

The LNT remains implausible, as the HSCA concluded in 1979.

Landis waits 60 years to tell us he found a bullet in the rear seat and you believe that. Amazing.

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Hey better late than never, right ?  He can testify at the Luna Board of JFK Inquiry with mssr. Doyle.
Now THAT would be worth recording.  I’m sure mssr. Drumpf will be watching, hope they get Judyth Baker up there to set the story straight.
What would the headlines read ? 

[Benjamin Cole]

JC-

There is no record of Landis fabricating tales, or being delusional.

Landis seems like a solid guy, but also a team player. He may not have wanted to say anything that went against the official line, post JFKA.

In time, the truth outs.

Landis was in fact in and around limo and the JFK operating room on 11.22. No one disputes that.

There is more...a confirming FBI memo. I will post soon. 

Landis waits 60 years to tell us he found a bullet in the rear seat and you believe that. Amazing.

[Tom Graves]

In time, the truth outs.

Yeah, like Major I mean Lt. Col. I mean Captain Yuri Nosenko's saying he read the KGB file on Oswald four times -- twice before and twice after the assassination -- and that he therefore knew for a fact that the KGB had absolutely nothing to do with the "abnormal" former marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator during the two-and-a-half years he lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk.

Isn't that right, Steve M.?

LOL!

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

I think the KGB, and G2 and DGI, had much to do with LHO.

Likely Bruce Solie too.

That is what President LBJ did a snuff job on.

Yeah, like Major I mean Lt. Col. I mean Captain Yuri Nosenko's saying he read the KGB file on Oswald four times -- twice before and twice after the assassination -- and that he therefore knew for a fact that the KGB had absolutely nothing to do with the "abnormal" former marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator during the two-and-a-half years he lived half-a-mile from a KGB school in Minsk.

Isn't that right, Steve M.?

LOL!

[John Corbett]

JC-

There is no record of Landis fabricating tales, or being delusional.

Landis seems like a solid guy, but also a team player. He may not have wanted to say anything that went against the official line, post JFKA.

In time, the truth outs.

Landis was in fact in and around limo and the JFK operating room on 11.22. No one disputes that.

There is more...a confirming FBI memo. I will post soon.

A solid guy would not have kept a secret like that for over 60 years. How the hell would a bullet end up in the backseat. It makes no sense.

ex-Secret Service agents are not immune from cognitive decline. False memories happen to lots of people and Secret Service agents are people. No way I believe this cockamamie story.