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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 03:07:44 AM »
A muzzle-loading rifle does not issue fire slugs at supersonic speeds.

Who knows what you were hearing.

What you heard from a muzzle-loading rifle has no bearing on what Bowers heard during the JFKA.

Bowers testimony is rather clear. 

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 03:07:49 PM »
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Online John Corbett

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 03:39:26 PM »
A muzzle-loading rifle does not issue fire slugs at supersonic speeds.

I guess we can add this to the long list of subjects you are ignorant about. The below article has a chart that lists muzzle velocities for a wide variety of loads for a muzzle loading rifle and most of them are supersonic.

https://thedeerhunting.com/blog/muzzleloader-velocity-chart/
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Who knows what you were hearing.

I do.
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What you heard from a muzzle-loading rifle has no bearing on what Bowers heard during the JFKA.

Bowers testimony is rather clear.

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit either. I didn't say the muzzle loading rifle had any bearing on what Bowers heard. It had a bearing on what I heard. I heard a double sound from a single shot. I know it was a single shot because a muzzle loader can't fire two shots in rapid succession.
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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #10 on: Today at 01:30:38 AM »
JC--

I have heard rifles fire, maybe 1000 times, and never heard two booms from a single shot.

Why you heard two boom-sounds from a single shot from muzzle-loaded rifle suggests you have cognitive difficulties.

There is no indication Bowers suffered from the same cognitive difficulties you have.

Bowers appears to have been a sound and sane witness.

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #11 on: Today at 12:28:23 PM »
JC--

I have heard rifles fire, maybe 1000 times, and never heard two booms from a single shot.

Why you heard two boom-sounds from a single shot from muzzle-loaded rifle suggests you have cognitive difficulties.


No, it suggests that you are an idiot, but that has been well known for quite a while.

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #12 on: Today at 02:34:05 PM »
The shooter hears the muzzle blast first and then the sonic effect of the bullet traveling downrange with normal supersonic ammo.

And as JohnC. Reminded me, at the impact site, it’s the reverse, ie: the sound of impact precedes the sound of the muzzle blast if  the bullet was supersonic.

But would not that mean then that for each bullet fired there would be 2 sounds heard, the sound of impact followed like only 0.3 sec or or less by the boom since the distance at Z224 was only about 65 yards and the distance at Z313 about 90 yds?

Even if the 1st shot did not hit anything like the road or the manhole cover thus only one sound , the other 2 bullets at Z224 and Z313 hit fresh and bone so there would have been 2 sounds per bullet heard theoretically.

Therefore , should not Bowers and other witnesses have heard 5 sounds at the least?

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #13 on: Today at 03:07:58 PM »
ZM-

Not sure.

Deep inside the TSBD, three boom sounds were heard. That indicates three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window, IMHO. There could have been shots from elsewhere, and the second official investigation into the JFKA, the HSCA-1979, said there was a high probability of shot from the GK.

Despite the M-C carbine or short rifle firing supersonic bullets, no witnesses reported the cracking sound sometimes associated with such bullets.

I believe I have heard "crackle" sound of echoes off of trees and rocks from high-powered hunting rifles--the slugs leaving a miniature supersonic booms as they go back. 

Bowers did not report a "crack" sound, only three booms. The last two booms very tightly spaced---the same recollection of Deputy Weitzman and also SS agent Kellerman.

I suppose people close enough to JFK and JBC would have heard the impact. Bowers was likely too far away.

Bower did not report one boom sounding different in pitch or volume from the other booms. Only the rapid cadence of the last two booms--which rules out the sole use of a single-shot-per-bolt-action-rifle as the source of those booms.