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How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 19, 2026, 12:59:45 AM ---You do have to guess because the WC didn't spoon feed you this particular piece of information, which leaves you having to use your own brain to work something out by yourself, which leaves you in real difficulties.
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This is the kind of asinine comment we have come to expect from you. Of course we have to guess when Oswald assembled the rifle because nobody would know that except Oswald. Do you need every last freaking thing proven to you? You really are moron. Sorry. Just being honest.
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 19, 2026, 12:59:45 AM ---You do have to guess because the WC didn't spoon feed you this particular piece of information, which leaves you having to use your own brain to work something out by yourself, which leaves you in real difficulties.
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OH Noes! Well that's it. You finally got us LNs cornered. ::)
Zeon Mason:
7th floor would have been a good place to assemble the rifle but Oswald would have to bring the package from the 1st floor annex part of loading dock where he hid it that morning after entering about 30 secs ahead of BW Frazier.
So Frazier saw Oswald carrying a package go thru the 1st door that’s part of the annexed bldg that’s attached to the TSBD and then Oswald had 30 seconds to place the package somewhere (an open
Storage barrel perhaps ) unseen by Frazier doing so. Then when Oswald opened the back door of TSBD, Dougherty saw nothing in Oswalds hands.
So anytime from 8:30 to 11:30, Oswald could possibly have gone into the annexed garage bldg probably using the rolled up door beside the 1st floor staircase , retrieved the package and he either took it up to 7 th floor using the stairs or by using one of the freight elevators.
Unfortunately I dont think There were any witnesses that have WC testimony that support this scenario and given that Dorothy Garner on the 4th floor probably did NOT wait 60 secs post shots to follow behind Adams and Stiles and given BW Fraziers 24 in estimate of the length of the bag, this hypothetical scenario is basically irrelevant.
I just threw it out there as an LN option since most LNs are convinced the bag probably contained the disassembled MC rifle.
Zeon Mason:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on September 18, 2026, 09:19:55 PM ---Does it matter? If the people who took the test didn't wash their faces after firing the shot and still tested negative, why would it matter if Oswald washed his face? If those people tested negative, it is established that a person could fire the Carcano rifle and still test negative which means Oswald's negative paraffin test doesn't prove he hadn't fired the rifle.
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But those 7 people tested positive , so That kind of makes Oswald’s negative result an anomaly . So I’m trying to suggest the possibility Oswald having washed his face at the theater 65 minutes after the shooting and how probable the trace amount of nitrates could be removed from his face by washing with water and soap. If it is improbable , then the anomaly persists.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on September 19, 2026, 05:40:05 PM ---7th floor would have been a good place to assemble the rifle but Oswald would have to bring the package from the 1st floor annex part of loading dock where he hid it that morning after entering about 30 secs ahead of BW Frazier.
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How do you know where Oswald hid the rifle that morning? Sounds like you are just guessing.
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So Frazier saw Oswald carrying a package go thru the 1st door that’s part of the annexed bldg that’s attached to the TSBD and then Oswald had 30 seconds to place the package somewhere (an open
Storage barrel perhaps ) unseen by Frazier doing so. Then when Oswald opened the back door of TSBD, Dougherty saw nothing in Oswalds hands.
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Pure assumption. Just because Daugherty didn't remember seeing Oswald with a package doesn't prove Oswald didn't have a package. People tend not to remember mundane details like that because they don't notice things like that. I would have to guess where Oswald hid the rifle that morning too, but i bet I could make a better guess than that.
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So anytime from 8:30 to 11:30, Oswald could possibly have gone into the annexed garage bldg probably using the rolled up door beside the 1st floor staircase , retrieved the package and he either took it up to 7 th floor using the stairs or by using one of the freight elevators.
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The possibilities for where Oswald hid the rifle and when he assembled it are almost limitless and anybody who thinks they know the answers is just guessing. If I were in his shoes, I would find an out-of-the-way hiding place and wait for everybody to got to lunch before assembling the rifle, then find a secluded spot with a good line of fire down Elm St., but Oswald wasn't obligated to do what I would have done. He got to make his own choices. I'd say him made some pretty good choices, even if I don't know what they were.
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Unfortunately I dont think There were any witnesses that have WC testimony that support this scenario and given that Dorothy Garner on the 4th floor probably did NOT wait 60 secs post shots to follow behind Adams and Stiles and given BW Fraziers 24 in estimate of the length of the bag, this hypothetical scenario is basically irrelevant.
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Almost all fill-in-the-blanks guesses are irrelevant because
I just threw it out there as an LN option since most LNs are convinced the bag probably contained the disassembled MC rifle.
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