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How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on September 15, 2026, 12:23:17 PM ---We don't know when the preparation took place but since Oswald hadn't filled any of his assigned orders that morning, he had plenty of time.
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Exactly when did he have plenty of time to make the Sniper's Perch and assemble his rifle?
--- Quote ---We also don't know whether he stacked the boxes to make the wall or just took advantage of what was there. A crew was laying a new floor and they might have stacked those boxes up to get them out of the way while they worked on another part of the floor. In any case, we know a wall of boxes had been built by someone,
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No-one mentioned anything about him building the wall. Why are you going on about that? Why not read the posts you are responding to.
The "Rolling Reader" boxes used to make the Sniper's Perch were taken from a few aisles away. Therefore, in your scenario, Oswald got these boxes and brought them to the Sniper's Nest to construct a rest for the rifle.
The long bag in the corner led the Warren Commission to speculate that Oswald took the disassembled rifle to that corner and reassemble it sat on a box by the Perch. They also concluded it took about 6 minutes to assemble the rifle.
So, when, exactly, did Oswald have all this "plenty of time" to make these preparations?
--- Quote ---and we know Oswald had reassembled his rifle prior to using it to kill JFK. It is unnecessary to prove when he did it.
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As you will see, it's very necessary for it to be established when he made these preparations.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 18, 2026, 12:53:56 AM ---Exactly when did he have plenty of time to make the Sniper's Perch and assemble his rifle?
No-one mentioned anything about him building the wall. Why are you going on about that? Why not read the posts you are responding to.
The "Rolling Reader" boxes used to make the Sniper's Perch were taken from a few aisles away. Therefore, in your scenario, Oswald got these boxes and brought them to the Sniper's Nest to construct a rest for the rifle.
The long bag in the corner led the Warren Commission to speculate that Oswald took the disassembled rifle to that corner and reassemble it sat on a box by the Perch. They also concluded it took about 6 minutes to assemble the rifle.
So, when, exactly, did Oswald have all this "plenty of time" to make these preparations?
As you will see, it's very necessary for it to be established when he made these preparations.
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You are just being silly........AGAIN!
What difference does it make when Oswald made these preparations. We know he made the preparations which amounted to assembling the rifle and stacking a few boxes for a rifle rest and a seat. If I had to guess, i would say he probably didn't assemble the rifle until the other employees had left for lunch. Why risk exposing the rifle before then? Stacking the boxes would take about a minute, tops. Bonnie Ray Williams returning to the 6th floor could have been problematic had he remained there but since he didn't, that left Oswald with ample time to make final preparations. If you want to create imaginary problems for Oswald, those same problems would also apply to anyone else you want to imagine could have done the shooting, but that's academic. All the hard evidence tells us the shooter was Oswald.
Zeon Mason:
Question about Those 7 persons in the experiment firing an MC rifle and then getting a negative result on the paraffin test: Did they reenact the WC theory proposed post shooting trek of Oswald all the way to theater and allow a bathroom washing the face before the paraffin test was taken?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on September 18, 2026, 09:01:51 PM ---Question about Those 7 persons in the experiment firing an MC rifle and then getting a negative result on the paraffin test: Did they reenact the WC theory proposed post shooting trek of Oswald all the way to theater and allow a bathroom washing the face before the paraffin test was taken?
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Does it matter? If the people who took the test didn't wash their faces after firing the shot and still tested negative, why would it matter if Oswald washed his face? If those people tested negative, it is established that a person could fire the Carcano rifle and still test negative which means Oswald's negative paraffin test doesn't prove he hadn't fired the rifle.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on September 18, 2026, 04:32:58 AM ---You are just being silly........AGAIN!
What difference does it make when Oswald made these preparations. We know he made the preparations which amounted to assembling the rifle and stacking a few boxes for a rifle rest and a seat. If I had to guess, i would say he probably didn't assemble the rifle until the other employees had left for lunch. Why risk exposing the rifle before then? Stacking the boxes would take about a minute, tops. Bonnie Ray Williams returning to the 6th floor could have been problematic had he remained there but since he didn't, that left Oswald with ample time to make final preparations. If you want to create imaginary problems for Oswald, those same problems would also apply to anyone else you want to imagine could have done the shooting, but that's academic. All the hard evidence tells us the shooter was Oswald.
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Spoken like a true Nutter - we know Oswald made the preparations because Oswald did it therefore he made the preparations because he did it therefore...
Let's say a couple of minutes to go back and forth with the Rolling Reader boxes from a few aisles away, a couple of minutes to fetch his rifle from wherever it was stashed and 6 minutes to assemble his rifle. Let's say 10 minutes in total to make his preparations...do you know what...let's go crazy and just say 6 minutes to assemble his rifle.
When did he do that?
"If I had to guess, i would say he probably didn't assemble the rifle until the other employees had left for lunch. Why risk exposing the rifle before then?"
You do have to guess because the WC didn't spoon feed you this particular piece of information, which leaves you having to use your own brain to work something out by yourself, which leaves you in real difficulties.
And it's little wonder that you happen to suspect the same narrative the WC report is trying to suggest - at lunchtime everyone from the upper floors goes downstairs except for Oswald, who has business to take care of. Luckily Givens just happened to go back up to the 6th floor where he saw Oswald near the southeast corner and when he offered Oswald a ride downstairs he refused (because he had some preparing to do). He had some boxes to move, a disassembled rifle to fetch which he was then going to have to assemble. As luck would have it, he got all this done before Bonnie Ray Williams arrived on the 6th floor to have his lunch and watch the parade go by.
But he had to be quick because Bonnie Ray went down to the first floor, washed up, fetched his lunch, bought a bottle of Dr Pepper and made his way back up to the 6th floor. He was probably up on the 6th floor before 12 noon, maybe 11:55am.
So Oswald hid quiet as a mouse while Williams had his lunch a few yards away.
Except Oswald didn't go up to the 6th floor after everyone broke for lunch. This was a lie the WC put in the mouth of Givens
Oswald went down to the first floor, just as he told everyone involved in the elevator race he intended to do.
And he talked with Eddie Piper at 12 noon on the first floor, at the same time Bonnie Ray Williams was taking up his position on the 6th floor.
So, when did Oswald have time for all these preparations?
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