Determining a Timestamp for Darnell

[Steve Barber]

    Yeah, it's tough for some to admit they bought into a JFK Urban Legend. But, as the definition of the JFK assassination images improves, this is going to become more common. So you need to get used to it. This explains why NBC has Never released the Original Darnell and Wiegman Films. And, why we have been waiting for the Sixth Floor Museum to release the last half of the early generation copy of the Darnell Film. Should the Sixth Floor Museum release that last half of the Darnell Film, we are gonna clearly see a Bogus DPD Motorcycle Cop strolling across the train yard and toward the TSBD.

"Yeah, it's tough for some to admit they bought into a JFK  Urban Legend" ? 

 Royell, I'm sorry, but this whole idea regarding Wiegman is nuts.  No one-that I know of-has ever questioned the position of Dave Wiegman as he filmed the Hester couple reacting to the shooting that happened near them, and obviously nor do they care.

  Some of the stuff you're saying in your posts about Wiegman's actions in a film clip lasting less than a second is nothing short of bizarre.
 
You say Wiegman is "running and ..." and I see nothing more than a man sprawled on three concrete stair steps connected to a terrace filming with his news camera. You say it's unusual for him to be in that position, and "Who does that?"  I'll tell you who. News people do outrageous things just to get something on film, or to get a "scoop", everyday.  What's so unusual about getting down on concrete stairs to be on the same level with a couple who are reacting to the assassination?  It had rained that morning.  The grass and ground were wet, water spots can clearly be seen on the concrete stairs inches from him.  Perhaps Wiegman didn't want to ruin his suit, or get wet. It's really insulting that you stoop to the level of saying that people "Bought into an urban legend".  No one has bought into anything, and why would anyone care? Clearly, Wiegman was only interested in getting the Hester couples' reaction to what they just witnessed,  You insist that Wiegman tripped or ran into a chuck hole.  Based on what?   

[Royell Storing]

"Yeah, it's tough for some to admit they bought into a JFK  Urban Legend" ? 

 Royell, I'm sorry, but this whole idea regarding Wiegman is nuts.  No one-that I know of-has ever questioned the position of Dave Wiegman as he filmed the Hester couple reacting to the shooting that happened near them, and obviously nor do they care.

  Some of the stuff you're saying in your posts about Wiegman's actions in a film clip lasting less than a second is nothing short of bizarre.
 
You say Wiegman is "running and ..." and I see nothing more than a man sprawled on three concrete stair steps connected to a terrace filming with his news camera. You say it's unusual for him to be in that position, and "Who does that?"  I'll tell you who. News people do outrageous things just to get something on film, or to get a "scoop", everyday.  What's so unusual about getting down on concrete stairs to be on the same level with a couple who are reacting to the assassination?  It had rained that morning.  The grass and ground were wet, water spots can clearly be seen on the concrete stairs inches from him.  Perhaps Wiegman didn't want to ruin his suit, or get wet. It's really insulting that you stoop to the level of saying that people "Bought into an urban legend".  No one has bought into anything, and why would anyone care? Clearly, Wiegman was only interested in getting the Hester couples' reaction to what they just witnessed,  You insist that Wiegman tripped or ran into a chuck hole.  Based on what?

    You speculate that Wiegman might not "want to ruin his suit", so he was, "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps". If as you claim, "the grass and ground were wet....", then the steps would also be wet. So that possible "suit" reason for being "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps" is DOA.  And for all we know, if Wiegman was standing on the top of the Knoll Grass near the bottom step, his camera at face height might have been close to level with the Hester Family sprawled across the ground in front of the Pergola. The Hester's were on higher ground than the Knoll grass. That I am aware of, Wiegman never said he was ever "sprawled" across the steps. That I am aware of, No Eyewitness has ever said they saw Wiegman "sprawled" across the steps.  Nobody gets up from a "sprawled" position, (chest down), like we see Wiegman doing. And Wiegman's arms are not helping to push him up from a "sprawled" position. His arms are chest high in front of him. 1 arm is grasping the camera, the other arm is bracing for a possible fall forward (W). The bracing is a reflex action anytime a person seriously stumbles forward, falls forward.
     And somehow, Wiegman has to arrive on the (W) side of the Street Light Pole/near the Newman Family. Where we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, he is nowhere close to being on the (W) side of the street light pole. Based on what we see him doing on the Couch Film, Wiegman ran across the top of the Knoll Grass until he was (W) of the street light pole. He then ran down the knoll toward the Newman Family. What we see Wiegman doing on the Bell Film, is what we see offensive football players doing all the time. "Rumbling and Stumbling".
   Sure this is ALL New. This is because people have cavalierly accepted and repeated this Wiegman scenario of his being "sprawled on 3 concrete steps" for 62+ years. As the Bell Film images have become clearer, the Wiegman being "sprawled" scenario is revealed to be just another JFK Urban Legend.

[Steve Barber]

    You speculate that Wiegman might not "want to ruin his suit", so he was, "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps". If as you claim, "the grass and ground were wet....", then the steps would also be wet. So that possible "suit" reason for being "sprawled on 3 concrete stair steps" is DOA.  And for all we know, if Wiegman was standing on the top of the Knoll Grass near the bottom step, his camera at face height might have been close to level with the Hester Family sprawled across the ground in front of the Pergola. The Hester's were on higher ground than the Knoll grass. That I am aware of, Wiegman never said he was ever "sprawled" across the steps. That I am aware of, No Eyewitness has ever said they saw Wiegman "sprawled" across the steps.  Nobody gets up from a "sprawled" position, (chest down), like we see Wiegman doing. And Wiegman's arms are not helping to push him up from a "sprawled" position. His arms are chest high in front of him. 1 arm is grasping the camera, the other arm is bracing for a possible fall forward (W). The bracing is a reflex action anytime a person seriously stumbles forward, falls forward.
     And somehow, Wiegman has to arrive on the (W) side of the Street Light Pole/near the Newman Family. Where we see Wiegman on the Bell Film, he is nowhere close to being on the (W) side of the street light pole. Based on what we see him doing on the Couch Film, Wiegman ran across the top of the Knoll Grass until he was (W) of the street light pole. He then ran down the knoll toward the Newman Family. What we see Wiegman doing on the Bell Film, is what we see offensive football players doing all the time. "Rumbling and Stumbling".
   Sure this is ALL New. This is because people have cavalierly accepted and repeated this Wiegman scenario of his being "sprawled on 3 concrete steps" for 62+ years. As the Bell Film images have become clearer, the Wiegman being "sprawled" scenario is revealed to be just another JFK Urban Legend.

 So long, Royell.  I will not carry on with this any longer. 

[John Mytton]

Here's a stabilized GIF of Wiegman stumbling, bumbling and doing cartwheels across the knoll!!
But seriously, we can see a stationary Wiegman laying across the steps who then starts to get up and for reference we can see an actual moving man as the cameraman in the lower right enters the frame.



JohnM

[Dan O'meara]

Here's a stabilized GIF of Wiegman stumbling, bumbling and doing cartwheels across the knoll!!
But seriously, we can see a stationary Wiegman laying across the steps who then starts to get up and for reference we can see an actual moving man as the cameraman in the lower right enters the frame.



JohnM

Just fantastic work John.
It is possible to discern Weigman hurriedly reaching into his pocket with his left hand as he turns from the Hesters and begins to get up.
Using the method laid out earlier in this thread it is possible to put a timestamp on Weigman in the Bell film beginning to get up - 19 seconds.

[John Corbett]

What does any of this have to do with the question of who shot JFK.

[James Hackerott]

Zapruder and Sitzman in early Couch stabilized GIF

I made a stabilized gif from the Couch film wherein Beatrice Hester stands, Dave Wiegman stands from the cement steps and makes a run towards the Newman family, taking about 4 seconds(~90 frames). The full animation is over 14MB so I can only post a heavily cropped version. As I viewed my work I spotted what must be Zapruder after he turned back to Sitzman from his easterly walk. They stand outside the shelter for a few seconds and then begin to enter the shelter in the last few frames of the film sequence. Their upper bodies are masked by low foliage of the Cedar Elm tree near the Thornton sign. The stabilization makes their presence known.