Exhume the remains of John Connolly, considering overriding priority of Justice?

[Tom Graves]

[...]

It's funny how certain tinfoil-hat JFKA CT cockroaches keep returning to this forum.

[Tom Scully]

It's funny how certain tinfoil-hat JFKA CT cockroaches keep returning to this forum.

Doesn't it depend on what your criteria are for TF-H ?

Try to keep up, Tommy. Skim the following and then post examples of what is not well supported.:

Wikipedia, in my experience, practices a rule unique to the wikipedia page of John Connolly. At one time, his living daughter was permitted
space on that page, but not anymore. Connolly's immediate predecessor as Texas governor, enjoys a complete accounting, naming all of his children.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Connally
....
Spouse   Nellie Brill ​(m. 1940)​
Children   4
Relatives   Wayne Connally (brother)...

Compare with Gov. Connally's predecessor :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_Daniel
...
Personal life
Marion Price Daniel Sr. is also known as Marion Price Daniel Jr. and as Marion Price Daniel II, because his father, Marion Price Daniel Sr. (1882–1937) was the first generation with the name. Daniel II married the former Jean Houston Baldwin on June 28, 1940. Their son, publicly known as Price Daniel Jr., is properly Marion Price Daniel III. The couple also had three other children: Jean Houston Murph, Houston Lee, and John Baldwin....

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2031.msg154502.html#msg154502
....
We live in a society in which John Connally's children cannot be named in his wikipedia page, and the FBI could not connect the wife of its former agent, IB Hale, or his wife who sent Oswald to Leslie Welding, as Connally's deceased daughter, Kathleen's in-laws. Kathleen's spouse, Bobby Hale and his brother were observed breaking into the FBI 1962 stake-out of Judith Campbell's L.A. apartment. ...

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1891.pdf
 Warren Commission, Volume XXIII: CE 1891 - FBI report dated May 14 ...
VIRGINIA HALF., 6475 Fortune Road, employed in the Job Placement Division of Tex" Employment Commission, furnished the following informationi She -alled LEE HARVEY OSWALD quite well and she sent him out on the job to the Leslie Welding Company ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Allen_Hale
....
 Both fathers testified at the inquest; John Connally stated that his daughter was pregnant and had been despondent over the move to Florida.[3] After 45 minutes of deliberations, Hale was cleared of responsibility for Kathleen's death when the jury ruled it to be an accident.[1][2][3]...

https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/128382#relPageId=4&search=hale%20exner%20corvette
 No Title, pg 4
RIF#: 124-10220-10433   (08/08/62)    FBI#: 92-3267-290, 291
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Roselli
On 8/10/62 it was ascertained from NATB in Los Angeles that the VIN of above car shows that it is a Corvette.
The San Antonio office advised that HALE proba- bly identical with I. B.
HALE, 3548 Kent, Fort Worth, is identical with former Bureau Agent; whether above car and/or license has been reported stolen, and, if not, if HALE still
see all page hits in this document »

https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/128396#relPageId=3&search=hale%20exner%20corvette2. No Title, pg 3
RIF#: 124-10226-10086   (08/17/62)    FBI#: 92-3267-303
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Roselli
Belmont RE: JOHN ROSELLI Hale has twin sons, Billy and Bobby, who are approximately 22 years of age. An associate of I. B.
According to our Los Angeles agents, the man observed leaving the vicinity of Campbell's apartment did so in a Chevrolet Corvette which is a sports car
Hale, the above information is not being disseminated to the Los Angeles Police Department at this time.
...As a matter of interest, one of Hale's sons was formerly married to the daughter of John Connolly..

The Dispatch
https://thedispatch.com › article › smears-and-myths-the-october-surprise-revisited
April 15, 2023
Smears and Myths—The October Surprise Revisited
The New York Times reports that Ben Barnes, a Texas politician, and his mentor, former Treasury Secretary John Connally, toured the Middle East in the summer of 1980 and advised Arab leaders to pass on a message to the Islamist leaders of Iran: "Don't release the hostages before the election.

Defector Robert E. Webster was employed by and sent to Moscow by H. James Rand, the best man in John Shaheen's wedding.

https://consortiumnews.com/2006/102906.htmlOriginal October Surprise (Part 3)
By Robert Parry  October 29, 2006
...The Shaheen connection led Cyrus Hashemi to William Casey even before Casey took over Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign, according to Jamshid Hashemi and a 1984 CIA memo that surfaced later.....

https://newspaperarchive.com/sterling-daily-gazette-may-01-1951-p-9/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Furmark
Roy Furmark....
"He began working with John Shaheen in 1966, who would later introduce him to William Casey.[3]..."

Christian Science Monitor
https://www.csmonitor.com/1987/0102/zgate.html
THE IRAN-CONTRA AFFAIR: Anatomy of a Quagmire - CSMonitor.com
Jan 2, 1987 Oct. 7 CIA Director Casey and aides meet with New York consultant Roy Furmark, who says a group of private Canadian investors, formed to help finance Iran's purchase of US arms at a profit, has

Tampico, IL population was less than 1,000 !

https://www.tampicohistoricalsociety.com/Tampico_Time_Line.html
....
TAMPICO AREA NATIVES INCLUDE: Ronald Reagan, President of the United States; Neil Reagan, Ronald's brother; Rear Admiral Reeves, Commander-in-Chief U.S. Fleet 1934-1936, Distinguished Service Medal WWII; The Shaheen Family: John (deceased)- former OSS member during WWII, newspaper and oil man;...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shaheen
John Shaheen - Wikipedia
Prior to World War II, Shaheen worked in publicity in Chicago. [2] During World War II Shaheen was at the Office of Strategic Services, and was awarded the Silver Star and Legion of Merit. [3] At OSS he was "chief of OSS Special Projects" and head of the Reports Declassification Section, [2] and an advisor on

Yeah, they were wonderful! Heaven forbid they granted this, being completely incurious as they professed to be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/06/18/connally-takes-bullet-pieces-to-grave/1cab4644-c1be-4499-8d85-ed3bae858d17/
CONNALLY TAKES BULLET PIECES TO GRAVE
June 18, 1993

..."It's really offensive," said George Christian, a longtime Connally friend and once his press secretary. "Nobody in the Connally family that I know of ever heard of these fragments."

Revell said there was a fragment in one of Connally's thighs and perhaps some traces in a wrist. The nonprofit Assassination Archives and Research Center urged Attorney General Janet Reno on Wednesday to secure the fragments and compare them, using neutron activation analysis and other sophisticated tests, with the nearly intact bullet the Warren Commission said the pieces came from. The bullet was found on a hospital stretcher and was believed to have dropped out of Connally's thigh.

"If the family would agree and we can examine those under current technology," Revell said, "we could do one of two things. We could say, 'Yes, indeed, this was the bullet {that hit both men} and there is no basis for saying there were additional shots. But if the mass and metallurgy don't match, we've got a different ballgame."...

The New York Times Replica Edition
https://nytimes.pressreader.com/article/281526525293240

43-Year Secret of Sabotage: Mission to Subvert Carter Is Revealed - The ...
The New York Times What happened next Mr. Barnes has largely kept secret for nearly 43 years. Mr. Connally, he said, took him to one Middle Eastern capital after another that summer, meeting with a host of regional leaders to deliver a blunt message to be passed to Iran: Don't release the hostages before the election. Mr. Reagan will win and give you a better deal.

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/us/politics/jimmy-carter-american-hostages-iran.html
Former Iran Hostages Are Divided on Jimmy Carter and a Sabotage Claim
Mar 22, 2023 A former Texas politician, Ben Barnes, told The New York Times that he had toured the Middle East that summer with John B. Connally Jr., the former Texas governor, who told regional leaders that ...

[Tom Graves]

Try to keep up, Tommy.

Dear Tom "Beautiful Mind" Scully,

I'm afraid keeping up with you would require my becoming schizophrenic.

-- Tom

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Doesn't it depend on what your criteria are for TF-H ?

Try to keep up, Tommy. Skim the following and then post examples of what is not well supported.:

Wikipedia, in my experience, practices a rule unique to the wikipedia page of John Connolly. At one time, his living daughter was permitted
space on that page, but not anymore. Connolly's immediate predecessor as Texas governor, enjoys a complete accounting, naming all of his children.:

Compare with Gov. Connally's predecessor :


https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/128382#relPageId=4&search=hale%20exner%20corvette
 No Title, pg 4
RIF#: 124-10220-10433   (08/08/62)    FBI#: 92-3267-290, 291
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Roselli
On 8/10/62 it was ascertained from NATB in Los Angeles that the VIN of above car shows that it is a Corvette.
The San Antonio office advised that HALE proba- bly identical with I. B.
HALE, 3548 Kent, Fort Worth, is identical with former Bureau Agent; whether above car and/or license has been reported stolen, and, if not, if HALE still
see all page hits in this document »

https://www.maryferrell.org/xdoc/128396#relPageId=3&search=hale%20exner%20corvette2. No Title, pg 3
RIF#: 124-10226-10086   (08/17/62)    FBI#: 92-3267-303
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: John Roselli
Belmont RE: JOHN ROSELLI Hale has twin sons, Billy and Bobby, who are approximately 22 years of age. An associate of I. B.
According to our Los Angeles agents, the man observed leaving the vicinity of Campbell's apartment did so in a Chevrolet Corvette which is a sports car
Hale, the above information is not being disseminated to the Los Angeles Police Department at this time.
...As a matter of interest, one of Hale's sons was formerly married to the daughter of John Connolly..

Defector Robert E. Webster was employed by and sent to Moscow by H. James Rand, the best man in John Shaheen's wedding.

https://newspaperarchive.com/sterling-daily-gazette-may-01-1951-p-9/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Furmark
Roy Furmark....
"He began working with John Shaheen in 1966, who would later introduce him to William Casey.[3]..."

Christian Science Monitor
https://www.csmonitor.com/1987/0102/zgate.html
THE IRAN-CONTRA AFFAIR: Anatomy of a Quagmire - CSMonitor.com
Jan 2, 1987 Oct. 7 CIA Director Casey and aides meet with New York consultant Roy Furmark, who says a group of private Canadian investors, formed to help finance Iran's purchase of US arms at a profit, has

Tampico, IL population was less than 1,000 !
Yeah, they were wonderful! Heaven forbid they granted this, being completely incurious as they professed to be.

The New York Times Replica Edition
https://nytimes.pressreader.com/article/281526525293240

43-Year Secret of Sabotage: Mission to Subvert Carter Is Revealed - The ...
The New York Times What happened next Mr. Barnes has largely kept secret for nearly 43 years. Mr. Connally, he said, took him to one Middle Eastern capital after another that summer, meeting with a host of regional leaders to deliver a blunt message to be passed to Iran: Don't release the hostages before the election. Mr. Reagan will win and give you a better deal.

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/us/politics/jimmy-carter-american-hostages-iran.html
Former Iran Hostages Are Divided on Jimmy Carter and a Sabotage Claim
Mar 22, 2023 A former Texas politician, Ben Barnes, told The New York Times that he had toured the Middle East that summer with John B. Connally Jr., the former Texas governor, who told regional leaders that ...

Riveting gatherings, Tom.  Thank you for your honest efforts.

[Michael T. Griffith]

If not now, when?

Considering historical precedent for exhuming the remains of a former US President,
and the examination of those remains comprising this precedent being much more
vague and broader in scope than the long standing, specific public interest in just
two small areas of a wrist and a thigh of the late John Connolly, how is this inquiry unreasonable
compared to precedent?

....along with strong evidence the target of the present inquiry, former Texas Governor John Connolly later behaved remarkably similarly to a traitor,
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5128.msg183405.html#msg18340

...is it now long past time that his remains be exhumed and then scanned for metal fragments for the purpose of weighing them and adding the
resulting total weight to the weight of CE399.

I seriously doubt Connally's body will ever be exhumed, at least not in our lifetime. If the body were exhumed and the fragment in his chest and the fragment in his thigh turned out to be more material than is missing from CE 399, as would surely be the case, that would be one more nail in the SBT's coffin. Yet, even then, I'd bet money that some SBT believers would float some utterly silly excuse for not accepting such cold, hard evidence.

Just look at how SBT believers have simply refused to face other cold, hard facts that refute the SBT:

-- the fact that the rear JFK clothing holes prove the back wound was well below the throat wound.

-- the fact that Specter's bunched-clothing theory is undeniably refuted by the photographic evidence.

-- the fact that there's no bullet hole through the tie and no nick on the tie knot's left edge.

-- the fact that Dr. David Mantik's CT scan of a torso with the same dimensions as JFK's torso proves there was no path from the back wound to the throat wound without smashing through the spine.

-- the fact that Guinn's NAA fraud has been demolished.

-- the fact that the evidence photo of the front JFK shirt slits shows the slits were below the collar band.

-- the fact that the front JFK shirt slits had no fabric missing from them.

-- the fact that the first FBI lab report on the shirt slits did not identify them as an exit point for a bullet.

-- the fact that abundant photographic evidence shows that JFK's tie knot was neatly centered in the middle of the collar band during the shooting.

-- the fact that three Parkland doctors and a nurse said JFK's throat wound was above the collar band.

-- the fact that ARRB and other disclosures reveal that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors visually determined for an absolute fact that the back wound had no exit point.

-- the fact that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for the back wound.

-- the fact that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said the back wound had no exit point.

-- the fact that the HSCA FPP admitted the back wound was at least 1.4 inches below the WC's location for the wound.

-- the fact that the HSCA FPP admitted the back-wound bullet struck and tunneled at an upward angle.

--  the fact that the only way the HSCA FPP majority could make the T1 location for the back wound line up with the sixth-floor window was to assume JFK was leaning nearly 60 degrees forward when the bullet hit.

-- the fact that the throat wound looked nothing like an exit wound but had every standard characteristic of an entry wound (the wound had an abrasion collar; the damage behind the wound was larger than the wound itself; and the wound was punched inward, very small [about 5 mm in diameter], round, and neat).

--  the fact that the most sophisticated SBT trajectory analysis ever done found that the SBT was impossible.
 
-- the fact that every single SBT wound ballistics test has produced results that contradict the SBT, etc., etc.

In spite of these facts, SBT believers still cling to the SBT myth. Why? Because they know that admitting the SBT is false means admitting there must have been more than one gunman. 

[John Corbett]

I seriously doubt Connally's body will ever be exhumed, at least not in our lifetime. If the body were exhumed and the fragment in his chest and the fragment in his thigh turned out to be more material than is missing from CE 399, as would surely be the case,

WTG. Assume what you can never prove. That practice has launched hundreds of conspiracy theories.

that would be one more nail in the SBT's coffin. Yet, even then, I'd bet money that some SBT believers would float some utterly silly excuse for not accepting such cold, hard evidence.

We don't need excuses to dismiss evidence. That's the CT's approach. The evidence all supports the WCR.

Just look at how SBT believers have simply refused to face other cold, hard facts that refute the SBT:

-- the fact that the rear JFK clothing holes prove the back wound was well below the throat wound.

A lie.

-- the fact that Specter's bunched-clothing theory is undeniably refuted by the photographic evidence.

The SBT does not require bunched clothing.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/29149/photograph-of-fbi-agents-reenacting-the-kennedy-assassinatio

-- the fact that there's no bullet hole through the tie and no nick on the tie knot's left edge.

The tie was nicked but the SBT works with or without that nick.

-- the fact that Dr. David Mantik's CT scan of a torso with the same dimensions as JFK's torso proves there was no path from the back wound to the throat wound without smashing through the spine.

David Mantik is one of your fellow kooks.

-- the fact that Guinn's NAA fraud has been demolished.

It was not demolished. While the matching was not proof positive, it is still probative.

-- the fact that the evidence photo of the front JFK shirt slits shows the slits were below the collar band.

So?

-- the fact that the front JFK shirt slits had no fabric missing from them.

So?

-- the fact that the first FBI lab report on the shirt slits did not identify them as an exit point for a bullet.

So?

-- the fact that abundant photographic evidence shows that JFK's tie knot was neatly centered in the middle of the collar band during the shooting.

So?

-- the fact that three Parkland doctors and a nurse said JFK's throat wound was above the collar band.

So?

-- the fact that ARRB and other disclosures reveal that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors visually determined for an absolute fact that the back wound had no exit point.

A lie.

-- the fact that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for the back wound.

So?

-- the fact that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said the back wound had no exit point.

So?

-- the fact that the HSCA FPP admitted the back wound was at least 1.4 inches below the WC's location for the wound.

They unanimously agreed the bullet that entered JFK's back exited from the throat. Funny how you always leave that part out.

-- the fact that the HSCA FPP admitted the back-wound bullet struck and tunneled at an upward angle.

In relation to the anatomical position. JFK was not in the anatomical position when shot. Again, knowing this, they still unanimously concluded the bullet that entered the back exited from the throat. But we are supposed to ignore them and believe you. What a joke.

--  the fact that the only way the HSCA FPP majority could make the T1 location for the back wound line up with the sixth-floor window was to assume JFK was leaning nearly 60 degrees forward when the bullet hit.

Why do you never quote their report when you make that claim?

-- the fact that the throat wound looked nothing like an exit wound but had every standard characteristic of an entry wound (the wound had an abrasion collar; the damage behind the wound was larger than the wound itself; and the wound was punched inward, very small [about 5 mm in diameter], round, and neat).

Who said the wound was punched inward.?

--  the fact that the most sophisticated SBT trajectory analysis ever done found that the SBT was impossible.

BS. It was not.

-- the fact that every single SBT wound ballistics test has produced results that contradict the SBT, etc., etc.

Still another lie.

In spite of these facts, SBT believers still cling to the SBT myth. Why? Because they know that admitting the SBT is false means admitting there must have been more than one gunman.

The SBT is the only plausible explanation for JFK's non-fatal wounds and all of JBC's wounds ever offered. You have never even attempted an alternative explanation because you know it would get shredded in a heartbeat. But don't feel bad. In over six decades no CT has been able to do that.