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Offline Michael Capasse

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Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2026, 03:18:44 PM »
Get in, Coward!  We’re going Cowarding !  lol.  nut cases abound !

Where are we going?

Do you want to get down in the dirt on the criticisms of the case?
Or hand wave everything away as "No such thing as conspiracy"?
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Online Brian Doyle

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Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2026, 04:50:53 PM »


There seems to be some thread-sliding going on in here and Corbett appears to be having trouble answering Jarman's quote:


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"And, after we was inside the building after that, I heard that Oswald had came [sic] down through the office and came down the front stairs and he was stopped by the officer that had stopped us and sent us back in the building and Mr. Truddy [sic] told them that that was alright, that he worked here, so then, he proceeded own [sic] out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."



1)  Jarman heard all this from Lovelady and Jarman was repeating it at his HSCA interview...The context is Jarman relating what Lovelady told him...

2)  This description reflects the Oswald in the white T-shirt seen by Mrs Reid walking through the Second Floor Offices with a Coke...

3)  What Lovelady told Jarman clearly describes an un-named cop at the front door in the Lobby and confirms that was where Oswald was stopped...The wording that Oswald was allowed to leave the building after that stop also confirms this happened at the front door after "coming down the front stairs"...After hearing this story from Lovelady Jarman wonders why Oswald was allowed to leave when the black workers were not...

4)  Jarman makes the same mistake Holmes did and conflates the Lunch Room Encounter on the 2nd Floor, where Truly OK-ed Oswald as an employee, with this second stop by a cop in the Lobby...We know there was a cop in the Lobby because Truly & Baker never stopped the black workers on the 2nd Floor...The wording all connotes a cop stopping both Oswald and the black workers at the front door...


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" And, Oswald was coming out the door and he [Lovelady] said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the building, billy love lady [sic] said that Mr. Trudy [sic] told the policeman that Oswald was alright, that he worked there, so Oswald walked on down the stairs. "



Lovelady, outside on the front steps, saw Harvey try to escape out the front door when Harvey saw Lee in the white T-shirt stumble in to the other side of the Lobby from the SE staircase...Lovelady witnessed the un-named cop stop Harvey and order him back inside...Lovelady then planted the deliberate mis-information with Jarman that Truly was there and OK-ed Harvey as an employee...Lovelady did this because he was trying to cover-up the fact his partner Shelley was the one who OK-ed Harvey and helped him around the police detention and out the Loading Dock...This is the whole purpose of Lovelady telling the lie that he saw Oswald leave through the front door...It is to avoid the dangerously exposing evidence of Shelley assisting Oswald...

Corbett is asking us to believe that both the Warren Commission, FBI, and HSCA all had this information in their possession on how Oswald left the building...And they also had evidence of Lovelady committing perjury and with-holding evidence, and they decided to do nothing...And they left the cop unidentified and did no investigation of how Oswald left the building...Holmes let this second stop information leak because he was in a separate orbit because he was Postal Inspector...Jarman leaked this critical information because he was in a separate orbit as a black worker...Just like Sarah Stanton, he told his story years later when he realized it hadn't gotten the necessary attention it deserved... 
 

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Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2026, 05:06:04 PM »

There seems to be some thread-sliding going on in here and Corbett appears to be having trouble answering Jarman's quote:


 Jarman said:


"And, after we was inside the building after that, I heard that Oswald had came [sic] down through the office and came down the front stairs and he was stopped by the officer that had stopped us and sent us back in the building and Mr. Truddy [sic] told them that that was alright, that he worked here, so then, he proceeded own [sic] out the building and we wondered why he stopped us."



1)  Jarman heard all this from Lovelady and Jarman was repeating it at his HSCA interview...The context is Jarman relating what Lovelady told him...

2)  This description reflects the Oswald in the white T-shirt seen by Mrs Reid walking through the Second Floor Offices with a Coke...

3)  What Lovelady told Jarman clearly describes an un-named cop at the front door in the Lobby and confirms that was where Oswald was stopped...The wording that Oswald was allowed to leave the building after that stop also confirms this happened at the front door after "coming down the front stairs"...After hearing this story from Lovelady Jarman wonders why Oswald was allowed to leave when the black workers were not...

4)  Jarman makes the same mistake Holmes did and conflates the Lunch Room Encounter on the 2nd Floor, where Truly OK-ed Oswald as an employee, with this second stop by a cop in the Lobby...We know there was a cop in the Lobby because Truly & Baker never stopped the black workers on the 2nd Floor...The wording all connotes a cop stopping both Oswald and the black workers at the front door...


Jarman said:

" And, Oswald was coming out the door and he [Lovelady] said the police had stopped Oswald and sent him back in the building, billy love lady [sic] said that Mr. Trudy [sic] told the policeman that Oswald was alright, that he worked there, so Oswald walked on down the stairs. "



Lovelady, outside on the front steps, saw Harvey try to escape out the front door when Harvey saw Lee in the white T-shirt stumble in to the other side of the Lobby from the SE staircase...Lovelady witnessed the un-named cop stop Harvey and order him back inside...Lovelady then planted the deliberate mis-information with Jarman that Truly was there and OK-ed Harvey as an employee...Lovelady did this because he was trying to cover-up the fact his partner Shelley was the one who OK-ed Harvey and helped him around the police detention and out the Loading Dock...This is the whole purpose of Lovelady telling the lie that he saw Oswald leave through the front door...It is to avoid the dangerously exposing evidence of Shelley assisting Oswald...

Corbett is asking us to believe that both the Warren Commission, FBI, and HSCA all had this information in their possession on how Oswald left the building...And they also had evidence of Lovelady committing perjury and with-holding evidence, and they decided to do nothing...And they left the cop unidentified and did no investigation of how Oswald left the building...Holmes let this second stop information leak because he was in a separate orbit because he was Postal Inspector...Jarman leaked this critical information because he was in a separate orbit as a black worker...Just like Sarah Stanton, he told his story years later when he realized it hadn't gotten the necessary attention it deserved...

This is hilarious. You are presenting Jarman's hearsay account of Lovelady's hearsay account of Oswald being stopped by a cop near the front door of the TSBD. And this is your idea of a blockbuster, game-changing revelation. Then you wonder why neither the WC, FBI, nor HSCA bothered to chase down this "lead". I guess they just weren't as silly as you.

There neither Jarman, nor Lovelady, nor anyone else said they SAW Oswald being stopped by a cop in front of the TSBD, but you don't care. Somebody said they heard that somebody said that this happened and that's good enough for you.

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« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2026, 05:29:42 PM »

No...

The fact the authorities never followed-through to ask Jarman, Lovelady, or name the un-named cop and interrogate that cop, is the stronger evidence here and evidence of a cover-up you have failed to credibly answer...You are in denial of the fact that the 1963 investigation should have been very enthusiastic to get someone to confirm they saw Oswald leave through the front door...Especially after being told to step aside and wait by a cop...But that's not what happened and every investigative authority that touched this did the opposite and buried it...This should have been explosive when Jarman told it in 1977 but the exact opposite happened and shortly after Lovelady dies...Hmmm...Conspiracy research would be really great if it wasn't for Conspiracy researchers...

You're hand-waving Corbett and you are badly failing to answer the question of why Lovelady did not tell this to the FBI or Warren Commission in 1963?...The reason why Lovelady held this back in 1963 is because his partner Shelley led Oswald out the Loading Dock after Oswald was told to step aside and wait by a cop at the front door...This was expository of the conspiracy and evidenced Shelley's knowledge of who Oswald was and therefore exposed the conspiracy...It is also the reason why they with-held the name of the cop at the front door and never investigated Oswald's departure from the Depository...Things you unaccountably have no curiosity over except for weak excuse-making...

For the Conspiracy community to ignore this is a crime against their own practice...


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Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2026, 05:47:17 PM »
No...

The fact the authorities never followed-through to ask Jarman, Lovelady, or name the un-named cop and interrogate that cop, is the stronger evidence here and evidence of a cover-up you have failed to credibly answer

How do you interrogate and unnamed cop?
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...You are in denial of the fact that the 1963 investigation should have been very enthusiastic to get someone to confirm they saw Oswald leave through the front door...Especially after being told to step aside and wait by a cop...

Who saw that happen?
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But that's not what happened and every investigative authority that touched this did the opposite and buried it...This should have been explosive when Jarman told it in 1977 but the exact opposite happened and shortly after Lovelady dies...Hmmm...Conspiracy research would be really great if it wasn't for Conspiracy researchers...

What was there to bury? An unconfirmed hearsay rumor?
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You're hand-waving Corbett and you are badly failing to answer the question of why Lovelady did not tell this to the FBI or Warren Commission in 1963?...The reason why Lovelady held this back in 1963 is because his partner Shelley led Oswald out the Loading Dock after Oswald was told to step aside and wait by a cop at the front door...

Who witnessed that?
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This was expository of the conspiracy and evidenced Shelley's knowledge of who Oswald was and therefore exposed the conspiracy...]

How does Shelley knowing who Oswald was expose a conspiracy. You've got a few holes to fill there, Columbo.
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It is also the reason why they with-held the name of the cop at the front door and never investigated Oswald's departure from the Depository...

Who named the cop that nobody saw stop Oswald?
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Things you unaccountably have no curiosity over except for weak excuse-making...

Well, you've got me there. I have no interest in rumors based on third hand accounts of an event nobody witnesses.
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For the Conspiracy community to ignore this is a crime against their own practice...

This is one time I will side with the "Conspiracy community".

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« Reply #96 on: August 16, 2026, 03:23:50 PM »


Both Holmes and Lovelady spoke of a cop who stopped Oswald at the front door...

There was a conspicuous effort to avoid investigating how Oswald left the Depository...

You are avoiding giving an honest answer to the fact that the reason that cop was never identified and interviewed was because they were avoiding having to answer how and why Oswald left the Depository if a cop told him to step aside and wait...

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Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Reply #97 on: August 16, 2026, 04:56:19 PM »

Both Holmes and Lovelady spoke of a cop who stopped Oswald at the front door...

Neither if them witnessed that. They were repeating hearsay,
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There was a conspicuous effort to avoid investigating how Oswald left the Depository...

They knew Oswald left the front of the building end headed east on Elm St. where he boarded a bus. Do you think chasing down rumors based on hearsay would change that fact? [quote
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You are avoiding giving an honest answer to the fact that the reason that cop was never identified and interviewed was because they were avoiding having to answer how and why Oswald left the Depository if a cop told him to step aside and wait...
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If? There was zero evidence a cop stopped him outside the TSBD. Do you think rumors constitute evidence?

Why do you treat rumors as if they are compelling evidence?