Does it really matter who killed JFK?

[Zeon Mason]

Dear DangerMan Tom:

Why are  you still stuck in the 60’s USA spy vs USSR spy world? Do you really believe that Kruschev would risk assassinating a US President who had just made concessions to the USSR to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis?A US president who had publicly stated he wanted cooperation with the USSR to explore outer space. A US President that Kruschev said was the best US President they had ever dealt with?

In response to the question Does it really matter who killed JFK, the answer is: YES IT DOES. Because if the Marxist Leftist Kook  Oswald did it then we should beware of all the other potential Marxist Leftist Kooks out there whom might have a similar obsession with the current US President.

Or, if it was a conspiracy, then why did JFK have to be terminated and who profited and did their organization continue  to exist or have they all died.

[John Corbett]

They didn't fire any shots that day, but the Secret Service killed him through incompetence.

"After the shooting, one of the secret service men sitting down in the car in front of us pulled out an automatic rifle or weapon and looked backward. However, all of the secret service men seemed to me to respond very slowly, with no more than a puzzled look. In fact, until the automatic weapon was uncovered, I had been lulled into a sense of false hope for the President's safety, by the lack of motion, excitement, or apparent visible knowledge by the secret service men, that anything so dreadful was happening. Knowing something of the training that combat infantrymen and Marines receive, I am amazed at the lack of instantaneous response by the Secret Service, when the rifle fire began. I make this statement in this paragraph reluctantly, not to add to the anguish of anyone, but it is my firm opinion, and I write it out in the hope that it might be of service in the better protection of our Presidents in the future" Ralph W. Yarborough

Some not, not all of the Secret Service agents apparently either didn't hear or did not recognize the first shot for what it was. They believe that JFK was hit by the first shot. It has always been puzzling to me why they didn't respond to the first shot but seems to be the case. Altgens 6 shows some of the agents turning to the rear in response to the second shot which is the first one to strike JFK. Clint Hill only remembers hearing two shots and he reacted when he saw JFK had been hit. The next shot he heard was the head shot as he was racing to the limo. I heard him say that he had been told there was an intervening shot that was fired while he was trying to get to the limo but he has no memory that, with good reason. There was no intervening shot. The shot he didn't hear was the first one. The only occupant of the limo who recognized the first shot for as a gun shot was JBC. He knew instantly what it was and according to his account, he immediately thought it was an assassination attempt.

So why did the others as well as some spectators not recognize the first shot. Some said they thought at first it was a firecracker. Others thought it was a motorcycle backfire. We are left to guess as to why others didn't either not hear or recognize the first shot? My own guess is that the motorcycles accelerating coming out of the sharp turn onto Elm St. created such a roar that it muffled the sound of the gunshot. I have no way of proving that. Just an educated guess.

The agents who believed JFK was hit by the first shot are giving themselves the benefit of the doubt because that gave them less than 5 seconds to react between the first shot and the fatal head shot. Those of us who believe the first shot was the missed shot believe there was actually more than 8 seconds between the first and last shot, varying that time frame based on when we believe that first shot was fired. My own belief is there were almost 9 seconds between the first and third shots. Had any of the agents on the running board reacted to that first shot, they might have reached JFK in time to keep him from being hit by the fatal headshot. Bill Greer was in the best position to prevent the assassination as the driver of the car but I read recently he was only supposed to do that on orders from Roy Kellerman. Had Greer immediately sped away, it's doubtful Oswald could have hit JFK with his follow up shots. Unfortunately, all the agents had to make split second decisions and it is easy to second guess them, but not knowing what they actually saw and heard, I'm not ready to say whether they should have acted more quickly than they did. 

[John Corbett]

Or, if it was a conspiracy, then why did JFK have to be terminated and who profited and did their organization continue  to exist or have they all died.

From my perspective, the only one responsible for the assassination died a little more than 24 hours after JFK was killed. No one else will ever be identified as complicit in the assassination.

[Tom Graves]

Dear DangerMan Tom:

Why are  you still stuck in the 60’s USA spy vs USSR spy world? Do you really believe that Kruschev would risk assassinating a US President who had just made concessions to the USSR to resolve the Cuban Missile Crisis?A US president who had publicly stated he wanted cooperation with the USSR to explore outer space. A US President that Kruschev said was the best US President they had ever dealt with?

In response to the question Does it really matter who killed JFK, the answer is: YES IT DOES. Because if the Marxist Leftist Kook Oswald did it then we should beware of all the other potential Marxist Leftist Kooks out there who might have a similar obsession with the current US President.

Or, if it was a conspiracy, then why did JFK have to be terminated and who profited and did their organization continue to exist or have they all died.

Dear Rare Gas,

A 1954 true defector, KGB Major Pyotr Deriabin, listed several reasons why Khruschev would have wanted to kill JFK. You can read about them in Mark Riebling's 1994 book, Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and the CIA. Deriabin also said that Marina had to be at least a low-level KGB informant to be allowed to marry her Handsome Prince Charming and leave The Worker's Paradise with him.

Some experts think that GRU Lt. Col. Oleg Penkovsky, whom we know due to the "Zepp Incident" was betrayed by a mole in American or British intelligence within two weeks of his April 1961 recruitment by the CIA and MI6, was secretly arrested by the KGB and told to give JFK intel about the missiles in Cuba so that he would withdraw our Jupiter missiles from Italy and Turkey and abandon The Monroe Doctrine.

Why in the world would a Marxist want to kill The Traitorous Orange Turd who's doing such a good job of tearing us apart?

-- Tom

[Tom Scully]

From my perspective, the only one responsible for the assassination died a little more than 24 hours after JFK was killed. No one else will ever be identified as complicit in the assassination.

From  the standpoint of the actual evidence, IOW, observations of irrefutable quality, Ruby's improbable rooomate, George Senator testified that he had worked at his
brother's Gloversville, NY soda fountain. The location in Gloversville happened to be within shouting distance of the Schein Chain Theatres' corporate office.

Senator's parents and David Schine's parents are interred in the small Gloversville Jewish cemetery. See:
Cemetery search page, last name Senator or Schine. George Senator's father, Abraham's grave location.:
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/64955/knesseth-israel-cemetery

RFK and David Schine's and Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, came to physical confrontation in the Senate cloak room when the three worked on McCarthy's witch hunt.

Schine and Cohn created a spectacle when Cohn put pressure on the army to protect Schine from the full experience of the military draft. They toured Europe together,
visiting US Embassies' libraries to find and remove books they objected to the leftist subject matter of.

Schein's sister married Lester Crown, the son of the man described as having the most to gain resulting from timely assassination of JFK because investigations at the time
exposed the conflicts of interest and ethics lapses that Henry Crown feared would result in transfer of the contracts to build the F-111B combat aircraft by the defense contractor Crown controlled, General Dynamics.

Not long after David Schine was exposed and embarrassed resulting from Cohn's efforts on his behalf, Schine married his "beard", a recent Miss Universe,
In June, 1968, Schine's family owned the Los Angeles hotel in which RFK was shot nearly to death, Schine's role was General Mgr said to either have hired
security guard Cesar Eugene Thane and or had a direct role in Thane's work assignment resulting in Thane's being investigated as the actual or back up assassin
since more shots had been fired than could have all been sourced by Sirhan's weapon. Thane owned a hand gun of compatible caliber as the claimed assassination
weapon.

Schine's dad, Junius, also owned the Roney hotel and the Gulfstream on Miami Beach where Hoover and Tolson received a comped stay each winter. Mickey Cohen enjoyed gambling concessions in Schine's east and west coast hotels.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gulfstream+schine+miami+hoover+tolson&sca_esv=f82fb0e6dd84ffd6&udm=36&biw=1600&bih=732&sxsrf=APpeQnuym3JBR6fFRqZkNdxAc4rVIt3s_A%3A1784172863502&ei=P1FYao2yHo-_p84Pl5_WQQ&ved=0ahUKEwjNzfztodaVAxWP38kDHZePNQgQ4dUDCBI&uact=5&oq=gulfstream+schine+miami+hoover+tolson&gs_lp=EhBnd3Mtd2l6LW1vZGVsZXNzIiVndWxmc3RyZWFtIHNjaGluZSBtaWFtaSBob292ZXIgdG9sc29uMgUQABjvBTIFEAAY7wUyBRAAGO8FMgUQABjvBTIFEAAY7wVIhWxQgwhYiFZwAngAkAEAmAFjoAHTBKoBATe4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgagAuIDwgIIECEYoAEYwwTCAggQABiJBRiiBJgDAIgGAZIHAzQuMqAHvRCyBwMzLjK4B-ADwgcDMS41yAcKgAgB&sclient=gws-wiz-modeless

Schine put up Hoover and Tolson in his Gulfstream Hotel on Miami Beach, headquarters for the Mob's betting-parlor impresario Frank Erickson. The boys had taken to doping a nag occasionally, and mostly through Walter Winchell the word .....

Ruby's telephoned calls during the summer of 1963 included a call to Gloversville the investigation did not link to hometown boy, George Senator, but to a made mob member
Joe Cataldo, who the investigative record claimed was a call made to Cataldo's girlfriend's home where Cataldo was visiting. This suggests Ruby had more than the passing
familiarity with Cataldo that Ruby later claimed.

https://thenewyorkmafia.com/joseph-joe-the-wop-cataldo/
The New York Mafia
Genovese Soldier Joseph (Joe the Wop) Cataldo
A well-versed mafioso in nearly all street rackets, Cataldo nonetheless seemed to gravitate to and be most comfortable operating in a wide variety of bars and nightclubs, B-girl clip joints, homosexual bars as well as popular music venues throughout Manhattan....

David Schien and his wife were killed in 1996 in an airplane piloted by their son, also killed. The investigation determined that although the fatal crash occurred just after
take off the plane's fuel tanks were empty.

Lester Crown and Schine's sister near 100 years old now, are still alive. Lester, although once criminally charged, was a major influence on Obama's decision to run for President.

https://screenrant.com/fellow-travelers-david-schine-mccarthyism-true-story/
....How Fellow Travelers Changes David Schine's True Story
Schine Eventually Left Politics After Army-McCarthy Hearings

[Tom Graves]

From  the standpoint of the actual evidence, IOW observations of irrefutable quality, Ruby's improbable rooomate, George Senator testified that he had worked at his
brother's Gloversville, NY soda fountain. The location in Gloversville happened to be within shouting distance of the Schein Chain Theatres' corporate offic.

Senator's parents and David Schein's parents are interred in the small Gloversville Jewish cemetery.

RFK and David Schein's and Trump's mentor, Roy Cohn, came to physical confrontation in the Senate cloak room when the three worked on McCarthy's witch hunt.

Schein and Cohn created a spectacle when Cohn put pressure on the army to protect Schein from the full experience of the military draft. They toured Europe together,
visiting US Embassies' libraries to find and remove books they objected to the leftist subject matter of.

Schein's sister married Lester Crown, the son of the man described as having the most to gain resulting from timely assassination of JFK because investigations at the time
exposed the conflicts of intererst and ethics lapses that Henry Crown feared would result in transfer of the contracts to build the F-111B combat aircraft by the defense contractor Crown controlled, General Dynamics.

Not long after David Schein was exposed and embarrassed resulting from Cohn's efforts on his behalf, Schein married his "beard", a recent Miss Universe,
In June, 1968, Schein's family owned the Los Angeles hotel in which RFK was shot nearly to death, Schein's role was General Mgr said to either have hired
security guard Cesar Eugene Thane and or had a direct role in Thane's work assignment resulting in Thane's being investigated as the actual or back up assassin
since more shots had been fired than could have all been sourced by Sirhan's weapon. Thane owned a hand gun of compatible caliber as the claimed assassination
weapon.

Schein's dad, Junius, also owned the Rony hotel on Miami Beach where Hoover and Tolson received a comped stay each winter. Mickey Cohen enjoyed gambling concessions
in Schein's east and west coast hotels.

Ruby's telephoned calls during the summer of 1963 included a call to Gloversville the investigation did not link to hometown boy, George Senator, but to a made mob member
Joe Cataldo, who the investigative record claimed was a call made to Cataldo's girlfriend's home where Cataldo was visiting. This suggests Ruby had more than the passing
familiarity with Cataldo that Ruby later claimed.

David Schein and his wife were killed in 1996 in an airplane piloted by their son, also killed. The investigation determined that although the fatal crash occurred just after
take off the plane's fuel tanks were empty.

Lester Crown and Schein's sister near 100 years old now, are still alive. Lester, although once criminally charged, was a major influence on OBama's decision to run for President.

Dear Tom "A Beautiful Mind" Skully,

BFD.

(Pardon my German)

-- Tom

PS Why was probable KGB "mole" Bruce Leonard Solie so interested in Talbot Bielefeldt?

[Jarrett Smith]

Some not, not all of the Secret Service agents apparently either didn't hear or did not recognize the first shot for what it was. They believe that JFK was hit by the first shot. It has always been puzzling to me why they didn't respond to the first shot but seems to be the case. Altgens 6 shows some of the agents turning to the rear in response to the second shot which is the first one to strike JFK. Clint Hill only remembers hearing two shots and he reacted when he saw JFK had been hit. The next shot he heard was the head shot as he was racing to the limo. I heard him say that he had been told there was an intervening shot that was fired while he was trying to get to the limo but he has no memory that, with good reason. There was no intervening shot. The shot he didn't hear was the first one. The only occupant of the limo who recognized the first shot for as a gun shot was JBC. He knew instantly what it was and according to his account, he immediately thought it was an assassination attempt.

So why did the others as well as some spectators not recognize the first shot. Some said they thought at first it was a firecracker. Others thought it was a motorcycle backfire. We are left to guess as to why others didn't either not hear or recognize the first shot? My own guess is that the motorcycles accelerating coming out of the sharp turn onto Elm St. created such a roar that it muffled the sound of the gunshot. I have no way of proving that. Just an educated guess.

The agents who believed JFK was hit by the first shot are giving themselves the benefit of the doubt because that gave them less than 5 seconds to react between the first shot and the fatal head shot. Those of us who believe the first shot was the missed shot believe there was actually more than 8 seconds between the first and last shot, varying that time frame based on when we believe that first shot was fired. My own belief is there were almost 9 seconds between the first and third shots. Had any of the agents on the running board reacted to that first shot, they might have reached JFK in time to keep him from being hit by the fatal headshot. Bill Greer was in the best position to prevent the assassination as the driver of the car but I read recently he was only supposed to do that on orders from Roy Kellerman. Had Greer immediately sped away, it's doubtful Oswald could have hit JFK with his follow up shots. Unfortunately, all the agents had to make split second decisions and it is easy to second guess them, but not knowing what they actually saw and heard, I'm not ready to say whether they should have acted more quickly than they did.

John, Clint Hill did not jump off the follow-up car till after the head shot. The shot he heard running to the limo sounded different he said and matches the other witnesses bang bang testimony. it also matches the two largest blur episodes on the Z film.