Quoting Common Sense

[John Corbett]

I happen to be rereading Gerald Knight’s CT-oriented but excellent Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why. Knight was a respected professor of history. He makes the point that the FBI’s working hypothesis all along, which was shared by the Secret Service, was that JFK had been hit by two bullets and JBC by a third. This was the FBI’s final report that was expected by everyone concerned to serve as the guide for the Warren Commission and the basis for what it was “expected” to conclude. The SBT was really prompted by the WC’s need to account for the wound to Tague, which had been conveniently omitted from the FBI report. I am no great student of the SBT and would not be qualified to speak about the medical and ballistic aspects even if I were, but I have read enough (lots) to regard it as problematical in several regards. There seems to be a tendency on the part of LN advocates to keep saying things like “There is no doubt!” as though saying this often and loudly made it true. From my informed layman’s perspective, I think there is a fair amount of legitimate doubt. As I’ve said previously, I wish there could be a fresh look by world-class experts from other countries who know and care nothing about JFK or the JFKA and thus have no preconceived notions or agenda. Maybe we can get Elon Musk to work on this!

You say you regard the SBT "as problematical in several regards" yet you never specify what those problems are. This seems to be typical of critics of the SBT. They say it's impossible without ever saying why. They think it is enough just to say it because so many other people have said it so it must be true.

There is no doubt in my mind that the SBT is a fact. It is the only plausible explanation ever given for JFK's non-fatal wounds and all of JBC's wounds. I've challenged many CTs over the years to tell us another way it COULD HAVE happened. I just made that challenge to MTG and I have yet to see a response, not that I was expecting one. I don't ask them to prove another way it happened. Just give us a plausible alternative. I believe the reason the CTs fail to respond to the challenge is because they quickly realize that any alternative explanation would require one or more magic bullets. This approach fits with the overall approach by CTs in general. The rarely try to tell us how they think the JFKA went down. They just want to tell us it didn't happen the way the WC said it did without ever giving us a plausible alternative to the WCR.

PS. I see somebody (Duncan?) has grabbed a screen shot from my session with Fred Litwin to be my avatar. That's too bad. The one I had was a lot younger and a lot better looking than me.

[Lance Payette]

What evidence is there that Oswald was "pretty clearly scouting the Allright Parking Garage just a week before the JFKA.".

See https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190240/.

This was the parking garage of the Southland Center. It in fact was the tallest building west of the Mississippi in 1963. The Sheraton opened in 1959. JFK's motorcade went right past it.

Kind of an odd detail for the manager to invent: Oswald asked how high the building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.

[Tom Scully]

See https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190240/.

This was the parking garage of the Southland Center. It in fact was the tallest building west of the Mississippi in 1963. The Sheraton opened in 1959. JFK's motorcade went right past it.

Kind of an odd detail for the manager to invent: Oswald asked how high the building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.

It doesn't even seem up to your own weight of evidence minimum, Lance.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190240/m1/2/

Why would LHO be looking for a job when it was already scripted, weeks before he was hired at TSBD, that this "gold level" witness
testified that Oswald evidently knew what area he would be working in, to a degree of confidence he was seeking the most convenient
living and mass transit to a job location he could not have knowledge of yet, in a scriptless world.

https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/johnso_g.htm
Testimony of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson
,,,,
,,,,,,,Mr. BALL. The first time he came to see you?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes; that's something about 3 weeks before he came back.
Mr. BALL. This was 1026 North Beckley?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes.
Mr. BALL. He talked to you?
Mrs. JOHNSON. Yes; the first time and the last time; the first time, he told me he wanted a room and I told him I was very sorry, I just rented the last room and he said he was very sorry, he wanted to get near his work and he didn't have a car and it being on the bus line, he was sorry he missed it. I said, "You noticed the sign." I hadn't had time to take the sign up and I told him, "I will take the sign up and if you notice the sign up again, you might stop by...

Are you familiar with the ARRB testimony of Adele Edisen? I spoke with her on the telephone twice on a fall weekend in 2010. Her professional credentials were impeccable.
She claimed that she met a mysterious army colonel in spring 1963. His sister-in-law's son was married to a longtime CBS news producer.
The colonel, who she recalled was a Peruvian born immigrant M.D. named Jose Rivera, instructed, her no later than April, she remembered that the cherry blossoms were in
bloom in DC,  to call a number her, and to ask to speak to LHO to relay a message from the colonel. Mrs. Garner, on Mechanix St in NOLA, answered the phone but she was unfamiliar with the name of her future tenant, LHO. Adele called again a few weeks later, and this time, the Garners put Oswald on the phone and Adele relyed the colonel's message.

The family of the colonel's second wife whose nephew was married to the CBS news producer, lived quite close to Frank Carlucci's family in an area
of Pennsylvania with a tiny population, 2752 in 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Creek_Township,_Pennsylvania

https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2024/04/the-inspirational-legacy-of-secretary-frank-carlucci-kristin-carlucci-weed-in-conversation-with-frank-gannon/

Frank C. Carlucci '52's Daughter Honors Late Father's Career In Service ...
The book: Frank C. Carlucci '52 had an incredible career in government. He served under six presidents in a variety of roles, including secretary of defense, deputy director of the CIA, and as ambassador to Portugal. In Get me Carlucci (Disruption Books), ,,,

Adele's attorney sent the letter linked below to the HSCA in 1976,

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99781#relPageId=3

[John Corbett]

See https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190240/.

This was the parking garage of the Southland Center. It in fact was the tallest building west of the Mississippi in 1963. The Sheraton opened in 1959. JFK's motorcade went right past it.

Kind of an odd detail for the manager to invent: Oswald asked how high the building was and if it had a good view of downtown Dallas.

And that says to you that Oswald was "pretty clearly scouting the Allright Parking Garage just a week before the JFKA."?

It's amazing the things people can conjure up from the most mundane statements.

[Lance Payette]

It doesn't even seem up to your own weight of evidence minimum, Lance.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190240/m1/2/

I really don't have an evidentiary minimum. What I posted is the only evidence there is. The tip came into the DPD from a confidential source only ten days after the JFKA. The Allright manager, Morrow, didn't come forward but had to be approached - for some reason not until January 23. His story sounds entirely credible to me - nothing sensationalized, but with the distinctly odd detail that Oswald asked about the height of the building and whether it had a good view of downtown Dallas. The other employee, Sapp, "knew for a fact" that Oswald never spoke to employee Hallmark or submitted an application - which sounds as though she is at least confirming the encounter. This sounds to me like one of those intriguing little JFKA details that might be worth its weight in gold if only we knew more.

Why would LHO be looking for a job when it was already scripted, weeks before he was hired at TSBD, that this "gold level" witness
testified that Oswald evidently knew what area he would be working in, to a degree of confidence he was seeking the most convenient
living and mass transit to a job location he could not have knowledge of yet, in a scriptless world.

My guess would be that Oswald was simply looking for jobs in downtown Dallas and wanted a room convenient to the main bus line. I think that's a more logical interpretation than that he knew he'd be working at the TSBD because it had all been scripted in advaance.

Are you familiar with the ARRB testimony of Adele Edisen? I spoke with her on the telephone twice on a fall weekend in 2010. Her professional credentials were impeccable.
She claimed that she met a mysterious army colonel in spring 1963. His sister-in-law's son was married to a longtime CBS news producer.
The colonel, who she recalled was a Peruvian born immigrant M.D. named Jose Rivera, instructed, her no later than April, she remembered that the cherry blossoms were in
bloom in DC,  to call a number her, and to ask to speak to LHO to relay a message from the colonel. Mrs. Garner, on Mechanix St in NOLA, answered the phone but she was unfamiliar with the name of her future tenant, LHO. Adele called again a few weeks later, and this time, the Garners put Oswald on the phone and Adele relyed the colonel's message.

The family of the colonel's second wife whose nephew was married to the CBS news producer, lived quite close to Frank Carlucci's family in an area
of Pennsylvania with a tiny population, 2752 in 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Creek_Township,_Pennsylvania

Adele's attorney sent the letter linked below to the HSCA in 1976,

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99781#relPageId=3

I'm really not familiar with Adele at all. For those who likewise aren't, here is a 2004 thread started by John Simkin at the Ed Forum where his original post summarizes her story in considerable detail: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/609-adele-edisen/.

Below is a photo of the pleasant-looking Adele. This is from the unlikely site Cassiopaea, the Fellowship of the Cosmic Mind. In a thread titled "High Strangeness, Adele Edison and the otherwordly murder of JFK," someone named Michael B-C seems to know a hell of a lot about Adele:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/high-strangeness-adele-edisen-and-the-otherworldly-murder-of-jfk.48858/

Seriously, that thread is worth reading.

This sounds like it's right down my weirdness alley, and I'll have to dive into it!

[Tom Scully]

I really don't have an evidentiary minimum. What I posted is the only evidence there is. The tip came into the DPD from a confidential source only ten days after the JFKA. The Allright manager, Morrow, didn't come forward but had to be approached - for some reason not until January 23. His story sounds entirely credible to me - nothing sensationalized, but with the distinctly odd detail that Oswald asked about the height of the building and whether it had a good view of downtown Dallas. The other employee, Sapp, "knew for a fact" that Oswald never spoke to employee Hallmark or submitted an application - which sounds as though she is at least confirming the encounter. This sounds to me like one of those intriguing little JFKA details that might be worth its weight in gold if only we knew more.

My guess would be that Oswald was simply looking for jobs in downtown Dallas and wanted a room convenient to the main bus line. I think that's a more logical interpretation than that he knew he'd be working at the TSBD because it had all been scripted in advance.

I'm really not familiar with Adele at all. For those who likewise aren't, here is a 2004 thread started by John Simkin at the Ed Forum where his original post summarizes her story in considerable detail: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/609-adele-edisen/.

Below is a photo of the pleasant-looking Adele. This is from the unlikely site Cassiopaea, the Fellowship of the Cosmic Mind. In a thread titled "High Strangeness, Adele Edison and the otherwordly murder of JFK," someone named Michael B-C seems to know a hell of a lot about Adele:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/high-strangeness-adele-edisen-and-the-otherworldly-murder-of-jfk.48858/

Seriously, that thread is worth reading.

This sounds like it's right down my weirdness alley, and I'll have to dive into it!

Adele's Col. Dr. Jose Rivera was 21 in 1900, consistent with his first marriage record in DC in 1924. Then, he got younger, not older like cabbie William Whaley managed to.

This CBS 60 Minutes producer is longtime spouse of Rivera's wife's nephew.

https://news.colgate.edu/scene/2018/02/60-minutes-turns-50.html
"...We decided to go ahead, against Don’s instincts, and shot the story in Poland. By midwinter, we were ready to show it to him. The 60 Minutes room is a comfortable place, with theater seating and a big monitor in the front of the room. In those days, the correspondent sat out in the seats with senior producer .Merri Lieberthal, while Don and Phil sat behind a small desk. The producer sat in an elevated area toward the room, next to the senior editor, Esther Kartiganer, who timed a clock..

Hilda Aldunate, mentioned in this obit of Jose Rovera's wife, displayed below, was the MIL of longtime wife of Hilda's son, Carlos Aldunate, CBS's Merri Liebenthal, whose career began at CBS as Mike Wallace's secretary.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19931113&id=Y-cyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mQcGAAAAIBAJ&pg=4307,2534374
In right top center of the newspaper page image linked above,:
"November 13, 1993
....Producer Merri Lieberthal was Mike Wallace's secretary when the show made it's debute."

https://www.mylife.com/merri-lieberthal/e6379878996
Merri Lieberthal is 84 years old and was born on 05/05/1942. Right now, Merri Lieberthal lives in Aventura, FL. Merri also answers to Merr S Lieberthal, Merri Sue Lieberthal, Merri S Liebethal, Merri S Lieberthal and Merri S Aldunate, and perhaps a couple of other names. Background details that you might want to know about Merri include: ethnicity is unknown, whose political affiliation is none; and religious views are listed as unknown. Hilda Aldunate, Carlos Aldunate,...

https://www.mylife.com/carlos-aldunate/e6362211018
Carlos P Aldunate, 85 - Aventura, FL - Has Court or Arrest Records
As of this date, Carlos is single. Carlos has many family members and associates who include Merri Lieberthal, Hilda Aldunate, Carlos Aldunate, Robert Aldunate and Joanne Aldunate.

[Lance Payette]

Well, weirdness fans, I made a stiff screwdriver and read through the whole Adele Edisen thread. Jesus! I don't know what to make of it, but unless Adele was just flat off her rocker it demands attention. Michael B-C relies heavily on the work of Hank Albarelli, but he and the other posters are no dummies. Weird as they may be, it was refreshing to read participants who are civil and intelligent. I may join!

Here is a 2009 interview with 81-year-old Adele, so you can read what she actually had to say: https://digital.utsa.edu/digital/api/collection/p15125coll4/id/1966/download.

There are really only two choices: (1) Adele was seriously demented, despite her fantastic academic and professional background or (2) Something Damn Weird happened.

I'm not totally clear as to what Michael B-C is suggesting, but it sounds more exotic than "just" MK/ULTRA-type stuff. Something along the lines of The Matrix.

I have mentioned before, but one of my really good friends is an 84-year-old guy who has been one of the true luminaries of the UFO field for 50+ years. Believe me: one of the true luminaries. He believes we live in a programmed virtual reality. He has no interest in the JFKA per se - none - but he does believe that certain events were programmed to have a significance beyond the mere historical event. Two that he has mentioned are the JFKA and the sinking of the Titanic, the latter event being one of my absolute obsessions since I was a toddler.

(Admit it, people: Isn't this way more interesting than that "common sense" stuff? We don't need no stinkin' common sense.)