I've talked with several homicide cops. They don't believe in conincidence

[Tom Scully]

Posted by Lance on another thread....

Alas, par for the course. At the Ed Forum one time, Jimbo asked "Man, what about that Raleigh phone call?" as though there could scarcely be anything more definitively suspicious. This caused me to launch into one of my exhaustive and exhausting factoid expeditions. When I was done, even Greg Parker at his site acknowledged that Lance "sometimes does good work." Did Jimbo miss a beat? Noooo, of course not. He is still asking "Man, what about that Raleigh phone call?" Like way too many CTers, he simply cannot let go of a conspiratorial factoid; everything must point to a conspiracy - nor can he ever acknowledge a mistake. I fortunately have never met him, but people who have, including fellow CTers, tell me he is a pompous, overbearing, bullying ass. I recently read a gossipy new biography of JFK in which the author thanked "acclaimed historian" Jimbo. I just about fell out of my chair - and I'm sure the phrase was provided by the "acclaimed historian" himself.

John Hurt of the NSA's wife, Ana.....

https://www.nytimes.com/1966/08/09/archives/john-b-hurt-retired-aide-of-national-security-unit.html
Aug. 9, 1966
John B. Hurt, Retired Aide Of National Security Unit
John B. Hurt, retired dean of the linguistics staff of the National Security Agency, died Monday morning of a heart attack. He was 62 years old and lived at 330 Third Avenue.

Mr. Hurt worked for the Government agency when it was the Signal Intelligence Service of the War Department from 1930 to 1963. He was the agency's expert on Oriental languages.

Mr. Hurt is survived by his widow, Mrs. Ana Drittell Hurt, a Russian-born cellist; his mother, Mrs. Anna Hurt of Wytheville, Va.; two sisters and three brothers.

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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/27552-the-raleigh-phone-call-revisited/#comment-452053
The Raleigh phone call revisited
Greg Doudna replied to Greg Doudna's topic in JFK Assassination Debate

...one Ana Drittel or Dratelle, whose last name evokes an unusual name used as an alias by Lee Harvey Oswald on his revolver order form: "D.F. Drittal". Oswald wrote a signature of that name represented as that individual's signature, identified by handwriting experts as written by Oswald, as vouching...
 December 31, 2021

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Posted February 19, 2010 (edited)
Just a spooky coincidence, or much more? I'll let Greg and Jim present the background.

For Greg to consider:

"Drittel" or "Drittell"....it is spelled both ways...was the name of a Russian immigrant, a cellist named Ana :
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[Tom Scully]

During WWII, George DeMohrenschildt just happened to spend a week or more at the DC home of a active duty US Navy officer.

The officer, retired by 1962 as an Admiral, resided in the large DC home he had inherited from his late STEP-father,
a typewriter manufacturer executive credited with perfecting the Japanese diplomatic code breaking machine
John Hurt relied

In 1962, the Admiral was murdered near his home on the Chicago lake front. Robbery was ruled out as the motive,
his assailant was never identified.

https://www.nytimes.com/1962/10/23/archives/retired-admiral-slain-in-chicago-paul-joachim-is-shot-by-gunman-on.html
RETIRED ADMIRAL SLAIN IN CHICAGO; Paul Joachim Is Shot by Gunman on Street
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Oct. 23, 1962
CHICAGO, Oct. 22 (AP)--A 50-year-old retired rear admiral resisted an apparent holdup attempt early today and was shot to death in a street near his apartment in the Gold Coast area on the near North Side.

Paul L. Joachim was a 1934 Annapolis Academy graduate. During the Korean War, he was executive officer on the USS New Jersey. He attained the rank of Rear Admiral on the occasion of his retirement. Joachim was shot four times and killed in a presumably still unsolved murder on October 21, 1962, in front of 1350 Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. Joachim was residing at 1400 Lake Shore Drive, in business as an art dealer.

Joachim's mother, Elmina Nance, married Dr. Paul L. Joachim of Washington, DC in 1910. Their other son was Phillip Nance Joachim, later an Associated Press editor. The widowed Elmina Nance Joachim later married Carl A. Joerissen, an Underwood Typewriter Co. executive and design engineer based in the Underwood, DC office. Elmina and Carl had a daughter named Kay, who married attorney and Coast Guard Reserve Lt. CDR William Helvestine in 1944. Helvestine died in a January, 1947, private airplace crash. Helvestine's brother, Albert Harrison Helvestine was the US Navy's patent attorney.

The most interesting details of Paul L. Joachim's background are that his stepfather, Carl A. Joerissen is reported by one source to have been the chief engineer of LF Safford. In 1924, these two men quickly designed and sold the first KATA-KANA typewriters to ONI (aka CSP-62, RIP-5 or Underwood Code Machine "RIP-5").

Laurance F. Safford went on to oversee the WWII US Navy Cryptographers, and he worked with Frank Rowlett to perfect the PURPLE code breaking machinery.

Another curiousity is that Carl A. Joerissen was associated with Gertrude Laughlin Joerissen, a linguist who translated Chinese and Japanese poetry. This Gertrude is not the daughter of US Ambassador to Spain, Laughlin.

The fact that the brother-in-law of Paul Joachim's sister, Kay, was the longtime, US Navy patent attorney is also intriguing. How did George De Mohrenschildt manage to insinuate himself with navy officer Paul Joachim, and Henry C. Bruton? Is it only coincidence that Paul Joachim was murdered in the same general time period that Edwin Walker was shot at, and also when Thomas J. Devine's foreign service brother-in-law went missing and washed up dead, considering that the dead man's brother, Howard Bucknell, III was a Navy submarine commander? Does any of this increase the significance of De Morhenschildt's introduction of Oswald to Henry C. Bruton?

 

AI Overview                 
Elmina Nance Joachim Joerissen (1887–1976) was a prominent Washington, D.C. socialite, former actress, and wife of the prominent diplomat Carl Augustus Joerissen. She frequently appeared in the capital's society pages in the 1930s and 1940s and later became a fixture in local amateur theater.She was also the central figure identified by historians in an iconic historic photograph and flag collage, which was famously featured on the Family Tree Magazine platform.

https://oztypewriter.blogspot.com/2021/04/taking-it-home-to-place-it-belongs-west.html
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In 1930 Joerissen swapped his home at 1619 Massachusetts Avenue, Washington DC, for Ross’s house in Paris, on a 15-year lease deal. However, Joerissen’s wife became ill and the couple returned to Washington, where Gertrude died in the Mayflower Hotel in 1933. Joerissen, at the age of 63, remarried the next year and he and Elmina, the former Mrs Joachim (née Nance, 1888-1976), took up residence at 2100 Massachusetts Avenue. Carl adopted his second wife’s children. The Joerissens moved to 6900 Connecticut Avenue, Chevy Chase, just across the district line in Maryland. A $10,000 robbery there in 1938 gives a clue to their wealth: the theft included a mink coat, a silver-fox coat, linen, silverware and jewelry.

[Lance Payette]

Alas, when I departed the Ed Forum, I deleted in their entirety all of my posts going back several years in one three-hour binge. I had started a "Raleigh phone call" thread, but my original post with my research is gone and no one who responded quoted my original post in its entirety. Since Greg Parker agreed it was "good work," it must have been a winner!  All I can remember now is that by the time of the call Hurt was an alcoholic mental case who admitted he had made the call - i.e., it was an incoming call by Hurt - and the woman who wrote the call slip and the woman who found it were bitterly at odds as to what had occurred. In any event, I was and am 100% satisfied it is much ado about nothing.

Here is the thread: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/28717-the-raleigh-phone-call-an-examination-of-the-call-slip-factoid/

Steve Roe, Gerry Down and others agreed with my analysis, and Steve pointed out that David Lifton had spoken at great length with Hurt decades earlier and was satisfied he was an alcoholic mental case. Greg Doudna, perhaps predictably, had his "alternative take" on what had occurred. Niederwacky predictably went into "Lance the cognitive infiltrator" mode; he also referred to me as "our buglioser," which was at least halfway witty.  Jimbo also got in his shots.

Here is Gerry Down's summary of his understanding, so it must be close to what I had written. In any event, this was a full-scale factoid exploration by me and involved a lot of work.

So let me get this straight. This theory is that a drunk John Hurt phoned the DPD looking for Oswald on Nov 23rd to have a talk. He gave Mrs Swinney his name and where he was from (John Hurt of Raleigh, North Carolina). Then John Hurt hung up - maybe he thought it was not a good idea to have a drunken chat with Oswald so late at night afterall, or the wife caught him and made him hang up. Mrs Swinney writes down on a piece of paper the name of “John Hurt” of “Raleigh, North Carolina”. Mrs Swinney then phones Oswald in his cell about this John Hurt. Oswald says he had no idea who John Hurt is. Meanwhile Mrs Alveeta comes in to work perhaps about 10:50pm and she briefly listens in on this conversation with Oswald before then going off the line and leaving Oswald and Mrs Swinney to talk in private.

All during this time there were two Secret Service agents in the room and hear about this John Hurt that was trying to contact Oswald. At this stage Mrs Swinney decided to try and find out (possibly on the orders of the Secret Service or on her own initiative) who this John Hurt was from Raleigh North Carolina. So she phones the operator directory assistance in North Carolina where they look through their phonebook and give her the names of presumably the only two John Hurts in Raleigh North Carolina. So she takes the previous piece of paper she had on which she had written the name of “John Hurt” and “Raleigh, North Carolina” and now adds the two possible phone numbers given to her by the operator directory assistance in North Carolina. Mrs Swinney then places two outgoing calls to each of these John Hurts in the hope of reaching the drunk guy who had rang her, but neither answer. The nosy Mrs Alveeta sees Mrs Swinney making these two outgoing calls and presumes she is making them on Oswalds behalf. As neither John Hurt answers the phone, Mrs Swinney  views the whole endeavor pointless and throws the piece of paper in the bin.

When Mrs Swinney goes off work at 11pm, Mrs Alveeta retrieves the piece of paper from the bin and proceeds to make up a call sheet with the data on it as a souvenir for her daughter but because she only arrived in at 10:50pm AFTER John Hurt had phoned in, and only hears the start of the phone conversation in which Mrs Swinney talks to Oswald about a John Hurt, Mrs Alveeta thinks that it was Oswald looking for John Hurt rather than the other way around – John Hurt looking for Oswald. As the Secret Service had witnessed the events surrounding the call, after Oswald is assassinated Secret Service agent Kelley makes some brief enquiries to see if there is any “John Heard” on their books who could be linked to Oswald, which shows up negative.

This theory would mean the following:

Mrs Alveeta was being honest in so far as her understanding that Oswald was trying to contact a John Hurt.
Mrs Swinney is telling the truth when she says Oswald was not trying to contact any John Hurt. Mrs Swinney probably thought no more of the John Hurt call as a crank call from a drunken idiot.
The long suffering wife of John Hurt was telling the truth when she said that her husband had drunkenly phoned the DPD looking for Oswald on the night of Nov 23rd.
John Hurt himself was being honest in the years after the incident when he said he didn't know Oswald.

I'm not familiar with how switchboards worked in 1963 (i.e. how Mrs Swinney would phone Oswald in his cell, or how she would look for numbers from operator directory assistance in North Carolina etc). If anyone sees any mistake in my understanding of how these sets of phonecalls were made, please let me know.

[Tom Scully]

Lance, I was not familiar with any strong case for this starting with an incoming call. The Dallas PD jail was in the same building as the city offices and its switchboard which
handled all call traffic.

I am unfamiliar with lock up prisoners anywhere enjoying incoming call privileges.... are you?

Which is more likely, LHO places the name in the record of an obscure drunk with a strained relationship with the truth,
or he was attempting to send a message to the most secret, secret agency budgeted annually with more funding than the CIA.
He allegedly even managed to put that name in the investigative record in the latter part of the 48 hours after the JFKA that LHO was permitted to live.

WC member John McCloy's WWII responsibilties included being initial receiver of John Hurt's Japanese diplomatic comms decoded by Purple.

This John B, Hurt's wife, Ana's professional and maiden name was Drittel or Drittal. LHO was accused of writing that name as reference on a revolver purchase mail order App.

LHO allegedly told his brother he had contact(s) in high places....

https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/translator.pdf
Fall 1976
John Hurt
A Translator Extraordinaire
A tribute to one of the original seven involved
in the Signals Intelligence Service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Kullback
Solomon Kullback (April 3, 1907 – August 5, 1994) was an American cryptanalyst and mathematician, who was one of the first three employees hired by William F. Friedman at the US Army's Signal Intelligence Service (SIS) in the 1930s, along with Frank Rowlett and Abraham Sinkov. He went on to a long and distinguished career at SIS and its eventual successor, the National Security Agency (NSA). Kullback was the Chief Scientist at the NSA until his retirement in 1962,
....
At the suggestion of Abraham Sinkov, who showed him a Civil Service flyer for "junior mathematicians" at US$2,000 per year, he took the examination. Both passed, and were assigned to Washington, D.C. as junior cryptanalysts.
....
Upon arrival in Washington, Kullback was assigned to William F. Friedman. Friedman had begun an intensive program of training in cryptology for his new civilian employees. For several summers running, the SIS cryptanalysts attended training camps at Fort Meade until they received commissions as reserve officers in the Army. Kullback and Sinkov took Friedman's admonitions on education seriously and spent the next several years attending night classes; both received their doctorates in mathematics. Afterward, Kullback rediscovered a love of teaching; he began offering evening classes in mathematics at George Washington University from 1939.

Once they had completed the training, the three were put to the work for which they had actually been hired, compilations of cipher or code material for the U.S. Army. Another task was to test commercial cipher devices which vendors wished to sell to the U.S. government.

Kullback worked in partnership with Frank Rowlett against RED cipher machine messages. Almost overnight, they unravelled the keying system and then the machine pattern – with nothing but the intercepted messages in hand. Using the talents of linguist John Hurt to translate text, SIS started issuing current intelligence to military decision-makers...

The stepfather of the US Navy officer who Demohrenschildt was sniffing around the home of in 1942...

Carl, the stepfather of Paul Joachim is Charles,,,,:

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/17411-discussing-the-mindset-of-conspiracy-theorists/page/3/#comment-220299

Google Books search result :
...
Betrayal at Pearl Harbor: how Churchill lured Roosevelt into World ...

James Rusbridger, Eric Nave - 1991 - 302 pages - Snippet view
Found inside – Page 60

... was that they only had two radio operators capable of receiving and transcribing kana texts from Morse code transmissions. Safford solved this by designing a typewriter which he called a special code machine.33 On 26 November 1924, he sent details to John T. Underwood of the Underwood Typewriter Company, who examined Safford's specifications with his chief designer, Charles A. Joerissen. Two weeks later, on 10 December, they offered to build Safford four such machines for $645. The makers called them the Underwood Code Machine,...

The Signals Intelligence Service in 1935 Seated: Mrs. Louise Newkirk Nelson; Standing, left to right: Mr. H.F. Bearce (later Lieutenant Colonel), Dr. Solomon Kullback (WWII Colonel), Captain Harrod G Miller, Mr. William F. Friedman, Dr. A. Sinkov (WWII Colonel), Lieutenant L.T. Jones, USCG, and Mr. Frank B. Rowlett. Mr. John B. Hurt was ill when the picture was taken
Link to above photo caption :
https://www.marshallfoundation.org/articles-and-features/breaking-purple-in-william-friedmans-own-words/


The full 1935 photo this crop was taken from includes a caption describing Miller as instructor, the caption ends with John B Hurt was absent that day.


Miller is about 32 in this 1935 crop of the "Think" photo.
Harrod George Miller and William Friedman, circa mid 1930's

Highest marksman score in the history of the USMA worked for what evolve into a secret org, hoovering up and recording all domestic and key foreign comms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency
....
Originating as a unit to decipher coded communications in World War II, it was officially formed as the NSA by President Harry S. Truman in 1952. Between then and the end of the Cold War, it became the largest of the U.S. intelligence organizations in terms of personnel and budget. Still, information available as of 2013 indicates that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) pulled ahead in this regard, with a budget of $14.7 billion.[6][14] ...

USMA, class of 1925 :

https://cornwall.historyarchives.online/viewer?i=f&d=01011916-12312025&k=harrod&m=between&ord=k1&fn=the_cornwall_local_usa_new_york_cornwall_19250618_english_1&df=1&dt=10&cid=3422
Cornwall, NY June 18, 1925
....
... Miss Jean Nelson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs.
Peter Nelson of Firthcliffe, became
the bride of Lieut. Harrod George
Miller. ‘...

"...Miss Nelson was one of Firthcliffe’s
most popular girls. For some years
she has been in government employ
in the Post Exchange at West Point.
Lieut, Miller was graduated last Fri-
day morning with the class of 1925
of ttie United States Military Acade-
my. During the four years as a cadet
at West Point, Lieut. Miller distin-
guished himself as an honor studen.
He wore silver stars on his collar,
signifying that he ranked as one of
the five highest in his class. He was
graduated seventh in his class of two
hundred and forty-four memhers, mak-
ing his record as a cadet one of the
best. A Yale scholarship was won by
Lieut. Miller and at the opening of
the fall term he will enter Yale to
take a special course...."

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On 2/28/2011 at 3:50 AM, Tom Scully said:
Was the scenario involving James K. Cogswell III, actually a multi agency effort to deflect the HSCA's attention away from ONI? Too many coincidences... Cogswell had been married to the daughter of Will Farish III's inheritance trustee; Farish became GHW Bush's "best friend." De Mohrenshildt's 1942, Washington DC housemate, later Rear Admiral Harry Hull's wife was Cogswell's first cousin. Their landlord, later retired Rear Admiral Paul L. Joachim was brutally shot to death in Oct., 1962. Joachim's step-father was the designer of US Navy codebreakers' first Underwood Code Machine aka the Kata-Kana Typewriter. Carl A. Joerissen became Paul Joachim's stepfather when Paul was 8 years old.

Later, four star Navy Admiral William K Phillips became Harry Hull's step-uncle when Harry was 13 years old. Cogswell's sister, Theodora, is referred to as being part of the OP, by the HSCA. One of Cogswell's aunts, wife of his uncle, Capt. Francis Cogswell, retired from the CIA in 1954. His other aunt, Bianca Harrington Cogswell, daughter of Admiral James K Cogswell, I, first married a man named Clement, and then married Capt. Donald C. Bingham. When her daughter, Louisa, married Harry Hull, Cogswell's aunt became Harry's mother-in-law. Cogswell III brought Joseph Dryer and his knowledge of De Mohrenschildt to the attention of Dorothe Matlack...

Rand's son "ran" The other Oswald, defectotr to the Soviet Union, Robert Webster

https://oztypewriter.blogspot.com/2021/04/taking-it-home-to-place-it-belongs-west.html
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As far as Joerissen’s interests were concerned, the most telling decision by Underwood came in June 1929, when it negotiated a five-year deal with Remington Rand to pay for the rights to use Remington’s patents covering the Remington Noiseless. Remington Rand chairman James H. Rand Jr told stockholders at their annual meeting in July 1929....