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Re: DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Reply #42 on: Yesterday at 05:56:12 PM »
The networks have probably figured out that the JFKA is a dead issue among most Americans and the few people who think it is still worth researching are on a snipe hunt. Everything there is to know about the JFKA that is knowable is out there. If people can't figure out what happened with the body of knowledge we have now, they will never figure it out. There is no metaphoric smoking gun hidden away that will give the CTs the answer they have pursued for 62 futile years.

There will always be a few unknown items that will forever remain unknowable, the biggest being Oswald's motive. Other than these few unknowns, nothing new is going to suddenly pop up. No one reading this forum is going to learn something about the JFKA that isn't already known by many of others. The body of knowledge is what it is. It isn't going to grow. If you think there is more to it, you will continue to be frustrated until the day you die, as other JFKA junkies were who went before us.

Have a nice day.

Reminds me of the "Last Will and Testament" of Philip Klass, editor of Aviation magazine and one of the most fanatical (and sometimes dishonest) debunkers of the UFO phenomenon:

The Last Will and Testament of Philip J. Klass

To UFOlogists who publicly criticize me, or who even think unkind thoughts about me in private, I do hereby leave and bequeath THE UFO CURSE: No matter how long you live, you will never know any more about UFOs than you know today. You will never know any more about what UFOs really are, or where they come from. You will never know any more about what the U.S. Government really knows about UFOs that you know today. As you lie on your own death-bed you will be as mystified about UFOs as you are today. And you will remember this curse.

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DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Reply #43 on: Yesterday at 08:50:20 PM »


At the 48 minute mark the sycophantic Tim Gardner and Eli Frame ask Kamp about Prayer Man being Sarah Stanton...Kamp responds by saying "Sarah Stanton was 300 pounds"...The two hacks Gardner and Frame giggle like frat boys...Kamp is making a diversion here in order to evade the issue...Sarah Stanton was filmed in the Prayer Man spot at 2pm when she left the Depository in the Owens film...The answer to Kamp is Sarah Stanton was what she was in the Owens film and saying Stanton was 300 pounds doesn't answer the point...Davidson just so happened to show that Stanton in Owens matched Prayer Man Darnell...Because Kamp is being coddled by sympathetic hosts he is never made to confront these critical points...

Kamp's next evasion is to utter that Stanton had blonde hair...What Kamp is trying to insinuate here is the false suggestion that if Prayer Man was Stanton Prayer Man would also have blonde hair...It is well known in photography that the contrast properties of certain cameras and films will depict light colored objects as dark in shade...That is the case with Prayer Man where Stanton's white hair shows up as dark colored in Darnell...If you look at the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of Darnell you can just make out Stanton's white hair...

Kamp is outright lying when he said Stanton and Frazier both located Stanton to Frazier's left...What matters the most is where the witnesses placed Stanton at the time of the Prayer Man photography...Lovelady was quite clear that at the time the limousine passed the front steps Stanton was "next to me to the far right of the entranceway"...The best copies of the Hughes Film show Stanton's faint outline behind Lovelady in the Prayer Man spot at the time...The Prayer Man people know this so they avoid ever mentioning it...I have posted ad nauseum that the original Hughes Film needs to be gotten and scanned so we can bring out Stanton (Prayer Man) behind Lovelady...The Prayer Man people are making sure this never happens because they know what it will show...Next is Buell Frazier who made clear he was facing and talking to the heavy-set Stanton right after Calvery got to the steps and told everybody Kennedy had been shot...Frazier is facing Prayer Man in Couch/Darnell at the same exact time he said he was facing Stanton...Gardner and Frame are not credible research interviewers if they fail to confront Kamp with this refuting evidence... 

Kamp then doubles down by libelling me as a troll who never shows any evidence...This of course is a false accusation seeing how I am the researcher who has shown the most evidence that Prayer Man is Stanton...Kamp says Stanton was short and heavy-set and then proceeds to ignore my evidence that showed Prayer Man was short and heavy-set - while accusing me of not showing any evidence...Kamp further slanders that I cut out all evidence to the contrary and common sense and that I am stuck in a delusional belief (projection anyone?)...Kamp can't believe some researchers take me seriously...Easy to say when you avoid discussing any of my evidence...

Kamp then hangs himself with his incoherent coverage of the woman's dress neckline in the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy...In his incoherent statement Kamp accuses me of claiming Prayer Man's neckline is circular in the 6th Floor Museum copy...Kamp tries to reel off several deflections of film generations, sample size, clarity etc - none of which answer the basic point about the 1st generation copy clearly showing Stanton's dress neckline...Kamp ends his evasive non-answer by asserting I am seeing things that aren't there...But if we go to Davidson's High Key Filter image is that really true?...Kamp accuses me of hallucinating a woman's dress neckline without evidence...However if we go to Davidson's High Key Filter enhancement of the 6th Floor Museum copy we see the round neckline Kamp is accusing me of imagining right there in front of us...Gardner and Frame say nothing...

The two clowns Gardner and Frame chuckle along and offer no counter evidence to Kamp...If you analyze Kamp he only appears in places where the hosts are pro-Prayer Man, where no counter evidence is ever shown, and there is no adversarial opponent...Kamp accuses me of not showing any evidence in places where my evidence is pre-emptively censored...Put me on that same Ciphered Past podcast and let me debate Kamp directly and you will see a much different outcome than the uncredible one the two cranks Gardner and Frame produced...When Kamp mangled the neckline issue Gardner and Frame did not take control and demand that the evidence be articulated better...They just sat there like staring idiots while Kamp lied and avoided the evidence...When I PM'ed Tim Gardner to ask for fair air time to respond he accused me of stalking and threatened me with legal action...And this is on a public podcast that invites the public to offer any input that would aid in understanding the subject matter...The clique in full form...
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Re: DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Reply #44 on: Yesterday at 11:09:34 PM »
In 2018 I exchanged e-mails with Oliver Stone's technical producer Rob Wilson...He instructed me that the Wiegman and Darnell films that NBC currently licenses were originally made off the film originals...That the original Wiegman and Darnell films were scanned with the best scanning technology available at the time and the current digital files of the films that are available for licensing were made off of them...

When I passed this information forward during the Task Force it was totally ignored and no action was taken on it...This was information that could have led to the originals being located but all the main people involved in the Task Force had no interest in it what so ever...The reason for that is because, although they praise themselves as practicing the highest research practices and free speech philosophy, the research community is actually a dirty little clique of bullies that enforce protection of the clique through freeze-outs and intentional ignoring...Once they get their dirty banning it is collectively followed-through to the kill by destroying you and ignoring everything that comes from you...Even if it solves the conspiracy...Wilson could have contacted NBC and gotten the names of the people involved in the original scanning...They could have been contacted and the location of the original films could have been traced...This wasn't done because the favored members over on The Education Forum have exclusivity as their main agenda...They really don't practice what they preach...They get much more with less effort out of cheating and the moderators know it...These are the same people who are telling Luna not to obtain the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy...

    The Sixth Floor Museum releasing the first :20 seconds of the Darnell Film, was the highest definition copy of that film I have seen. This release was about 2 yrs ago and the Sixth Floor needed the consent of NBC to do it. This is corroboration of the "little clique of bullies..." that you mention. This "clique" obviously does exist. I have seen it with this Sixth Floor :20 second release of the Darnell Film, along with being previously informed of such by a person on the fringe of this very same "clique". I had my doubts at the time, but that is not currently the case. 

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Re: DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Reply #45 on: Today at 09:58:21 AM »
"Kamp is outright lying when he said Stanton and Frazier both located Stanton to Frazier's left" ...


Oswald's Friend Buell Frazier Gestures That Sarah Stanton Was Standing To His Left


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Re: DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Reply #46 on: Today at 10:07:25 AM »

Oswald's Friend Buell Frazier Gestures That Sarah Stanton Was Standing To His Left

Is she visible in the Darnell or Wiegman clips?

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« Reply #47 on: Today at 12:15:49 PM »
Is she visible in the Darnell or Wiegman clips?
Probably   :)


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Re: DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress
« Reply #48 on: Today at 12:55:30 PM »
Sarah Stanton told her family that she saw Oswald at the front TSBD entrance when she went down from the second floor to see the motorcade. Greg Doudna:

For according to Sarah Stanton's family, Sarah Stanton met Oswald on "the stairs", where she had "went down" from the second floor, to see the President "on the stairs".

Rosa: "That, uh--she [Sarah] said, 'I went down because they said that, uh, the--that the President was going--they were already coming, but not--not there yet.' So she wanted to prepare herself and be on the stairs--where--where she met Oswald."

Anyone can read the Gilbride article to get more of the interview. Rosa tells of what Sarah Stanton always said, how she had met Oswald that day "on the stairs".

How she had gone down "to prepare herself and be on the stairs" to see the president (front steps of the TSBD entrance?).

How she told of Oswald having a Coke when she saw him "on the stairs" (Prayer Man with a coke on the front steps?).

How she spoke to Oswald there "on the stairs" (steps?). How Oswald told her he was going to return to "his room" (the domino room?). (https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/17/#findComment-515283)


You can bet good money that Stanton told the interviewing FBI agents the same thing. You can also bet good money that when she told them this, they either pressured her to change her story or they simply produced a phony account of what she told them, which could explain why her FBI statement was unsigned. We know this happened with many other witnesses.

A notable example of witness manipulation is the case of JFK’s aide and close friend Kenny O’Donnell. O’Donnell rode with fellow presidential aide Dave Powers and others in the follow-up car during the motorcade.

When O’Donnell was interviewed by the FBI, he told the agents he was certain he had heard two shots fired from behind the fence on the grassy knoll. The agents responded by telling him that that could not have happened and that he must have been imagining things. Thus, O’Donnell decided to testify “the way they wanted me to.” O’Donnell revealed this to former Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill at a private dinner in Boston in 1968, and Powers confirmed O’Donnell’s account to O’Neill at the dinner and later. Powers, like O’Neill, heard shots fired from the fence but told the WC a different story. O’Neill discussed O’Donnell’s revealing disclosure in his 1987 memoir:

I was never one of those people how had doubts or suspicions about the Warren Commission’s report on the president’s death. But five years after Jack died, I was having dinner with Kenny O’Donnell and a few other people at Jimmy’s Harborside Restaurant in Boston, and we got to talking about the assassination.

I was surprised to hear O’Donnell say that he was sure he had heard two shots that came from behind the fence.

“That’s not what you told the Warren Commission,” I said.

“You’re right,” he replied. “I told the FBI what I had heard, but they said it couldn’t have happened that way and that I must have been imagining things. So I testified the way they wanted me to”. . . .

Dave Powers was with us at dinner that night, and his recollection of the shots was the same as O’Donnell’s. Kenny O’Donnell is no longer alive, but during the writing of this book I checked with Dave Powers. As they say in the news business, he stands by his story. (Tip O'Neill, Man of the House: The Life and Political Memoirs of Speaker Tip O'Neill, Random House edition, 1987, p. 178).


Now, if the FBI could pressure two presidential aides into changing their stories, imagine how many ordinary witnesses they persuaded to change their stories. It is not surprising that we have a long list of witnesses who later said their FBI statements misrepresented what they told the interviewing agents. Some witnesses also later said that Dallas law enforcement officers misrepresented what they told them during their interviews. A number of witnesses said they were told by federal or local law enforcement officers to keep quiet.

Take, for example, Jean Hill, a down-to-earth public school teacher who was standing near the grassy knoll during the assassination. Hill said there were five or six shots in her 11/22/63 Dallas sheriff department’s statement. A short time later, she was interviewed by federal agents. She described the encounter:

They asked me what I had seen, and it became clear that they knew what I had seen. They asked me how many shots I had heard and I told them four to six. And they said, “No, you didn't. There were three shots. We have three bullets and that's all we're going to commit to now.” I said, “Well, I know what I heard,” and they told me, “What you heard were echoes. You would be very wise to keep your mouth shut.” Well, I guess I've never been that wise. I know the difference between firecrackers, echoes, and gunshots. I'm the daughter of a game ranger, and my father took me shooting all my life. (https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKhillJ.htm)

Hill did not change her story when she testified to the WC, and for that she endured intimidation and harassment by federal agents. When Mark Lane contacted her in 1966, she declined to give a filmed interview, saying,

The FBI was here for days. They practically lived here. They just didn't like what I told them I saw and heard when the President was assassinated. She declined to permit a filmed interview, stating, for two years I have told the truth, but I have two children to support and I am a public school teacher. My principal said it would be best not to talk about the assassination, and I just can't go through it all again. I can't believe the Warren Report. I know it's all a lie, because I was there when it happened, but I can't talk about it anymore because I don't want the FBI here constantly and I want to continue to teach here. I hope you don't think I'm a coward, but I cannot talk about the case anymore. (https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKhillJ.htm)

WC defenders have roundly attacked Jean Hill and have dismissed all of her accounts of harassment as fabrications or gross exaggerations. It is true that in later years Hill appears to have embellished her story, but her 11/22/63 statement and her WC testimony about the number of shots are consistent with a great deal of evidence, and her 1992 statement about being pressured to “keep your mouth shut” soon after the assassination is consistent with her 1966 statement about harassment by federal agents over their displeasure with her account of the shooting. It is also consistent with the accounts of other witnesses who were likewise told they should keep quiet and/or were pressured to change their stories.

If Buell Wesley Frazier noticed that Oswald came and stood several feet to his right at the TSBD’s front entrance during the assassination, I can only imagine the pressure that would have been applied to him to keep quiet about seeing Oswald on the front steps during the shooting. However, it is also possible that Frazier simply did not notice when Oswald came and stood several feet to his right at the TSBD entrance.

It is worth noting that the DPD immediately subjected Frazier to hours of hostile interrogation and arrested him twice. At an AARC conference in 2014, Frazier explained the ordeal he endured right after the assassination:

"Two policemen interrogated me for hours," he said. "It was like a military interrogation. They asked me questions for hours, and when they got tired, a second and a third set of policemen came in and asked me the same questions over and over. Before they let me go in, Captain Fritz came into the room with a typed confession he asked me to sign that had me admit I was part of the JFK assassination." Frazier explained that after the Dallas police let him go home, they arrested him again and brought him back to the headquarters where they took mug shots, fingerprinted him, and gave him a lie detector test. "I was frightened and I was scared," Frazier said.