DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress

[Brian Doyle]

Back in 2018 Jim DiEugenio admitted to me on Facebook that I had proven Prayer Man was too husky to be Oswald...Further analysis showed that Prayer Man was Depository employee Sarah Stanton...This was first shown by Chris Davidson back in 2016 when he enhanced the clearest frame of the Wiegman Film and brought out Stanton's obvious chubby face on Prayer Man...When I tried to press it on the forum on which that theory was promoted they avoided the evidence and ended my membership...

This, however did not stop DiEugenio from blocking me and then going before Congress with a theory he himself admitted was wrong...Nor did it stop Jim from threatening Oliver Stone's credibility by setting him up before the Task Force...The approach to the Task Force has been carefully handled as in-house Prayer Man only...

When the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of the Darnell Film showed Stanton's female dress neckline on Prayer Man Sandy Larsen hijacked the issue and claimed the obvious Scoop neckline was a CIA forgery designed to cover-up Oswald's work shirt collar...The Prayer Man people are avoiding subpoena-ing that 1st generation copy because they know what it will show...As are the people on the forum that promotes it...

Denis Morrissette found Sarah Stanton in the same Prayer Man spot in the Owens Film...Chris Davidson did photogrammetry and put Stanton's height at 5 foot 3 or so (same as Prayer Man) in Owens...Stanton had the same elbow sleeve length and Scoop neckline in Owens as in Darnell...When this new evidence was posted on the forum that supports the Prayer Man theory the thread was deliberately shunned by the research community...This conclusive evidence was ignored...No processing or analysis of this corroborating evidence was done and the people approaching the Task Force ignored it...

[Royell Storing]

Why is the Sixth Floor Museum in possession of an extremely early generation copy of the Darnell Film and NOT Sharing it with the public? The Sixth Floor Museum has always been part of the 62+ yr old Cover Up. And this includes the muzzling/$$ of the past Sixth Floor Museum curator Gary Mack.

[Lance Payette]

Alas, par for the course. At the Ed Forum one time, Jimbo asked "Man, what about that Raleigh phone call?" as though there could scarcely be anything more definitively suspicious. This caused me to launch into one of my exhaustive and exhausting factoid expeditions. When I was done, even Greg Parker at his site acknowledged that Lance "sometimes does good work." Did Jimbo miss a beat? Noooo, of course not. He is still asking "Man, what about that Raleigh phone call?" Like way too many CTers, he simply cannot let go of a conspiratorial factoid; everything must point to a conspiracy - nor can he ever acknowledge a mistake. I fortunately have never met him, but people who have, including fellow CTers, tell me he is a pompous, overbearing, bullying ass. I recently read a gossipy new biography of JFK in which the author thanked "acclaimed historian" Jimbo. I just about fell out of my chair - and I'm sure the phrase was provided by the "acclaimed historian" himself.

[Lance Payette]

My memory is pretty good, folks. I remembered this thread started by Duncan at the Ed Forum in 2015: "Prayer Man is a Woman," https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22243-prayer-man-is-a-woman/#comment-314580. In retrospect, rather prescient. The howls of protest, especially from Robert Prudhomme, are still echoing. In an interesting sidelight, Jimbo pressed Duncan to reveal who John Mytton really is! (In the ultimate insult - to John, not me - shortly after I joined here it was suggested that this Lance punk is in fact a sock puppet of JM's.)

[John Corbett]

My memory is pretty good, folks. I remembered this thread started by Duncan at the Ed Forum in 2015: "Prayer Man is a Woman," https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22243-prayer-man-is-a-woman/#comment-314580. In retrospect, rather prescient. The howls of protest, especially from Robert Prudhomme, are still echoing. In an interesting sidelight, Jimbo pressed Duncan to reveal who John Mytton really is! (In the ultimate insult - to John, not me - shortly after I joined here it was suggested that this Lance punk is in fact a sock puppet of JM's.)

Does it really matter who Prayer Man/Woman was? We know who it was not.

[Brian Doyle]

   if Luna requested the 1st generation copy from the 6th Floor Museum she would get it the next day...The Prayer Man people under Larry Schnapf are controlling Luna and the requests so they wiggled in and advised Luna not to obtain the 1st generation copy...Proper investigative procedure would tell you the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy is the best extant copy and therefore the Task Force is REQUIRED to obtain it, however, the way things work on the JFK internet the alpha wolves who control everything are preventing any obtaining of the 6th Floor Museum copy because they are dishonestly trying to avoid what it shows...It isn't the 6th Floor Museum that is holding things up it is the research community and the Prayer Man-only cheaters who are giving Luna advice...Larry Schnapf made a statement explaining why he wasn't going to request the 6th Floor Museum's copy of Darnell...He was just doing the evasive bidding of the Prayer Man group...My being censored and ignored is key to this deception...

The 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy is sharp because it was made by Southern Methodist University Film professor G William Jones back in the 70's when copies were made film to film off the original...The dress neckline seen in that copy is not a forgery because you can see other things improve in sharpness in the same film...I wanted to debate Sandy Larsen on this but they kept me from doing so with censorship...Mark Knight ignored my brilliant proof and said I was a bad bad man who should be kept off the board...You see for Larsen's silly claim that it was a CIA forgery to be true would mean CIA also sharpened those other objects in the same film - which they would have no reason to do...The only other alternative is it is a sharp 1st generation copy that shows Stanton's dress neckline...Larsen also ignored the multitudes of other evidence that reinforced Prayer Man being Stanton...On the forum in question such blatant dishonesty earns you permanent praise and warm memories...The dress neckline was also seen on Stanton in Owens...That is cross-confirming proof and the issue is over...

On the "Ciphered Past" podcast I was badly libelled by the Dutch Prayer Man promoter...That advocate scoffed and said I was a troll who showed no evidence whom he was amazed was taken seriously by some pretty famous researchers...That slander was used to avoid discussing any of my actual evidence that I was falsely accused of not providing...The two hosts strongly nodded in approval at this dirty defamation...When I sent PM's to host Tim Gardner asking for fair air time to respond he answered by saying I was harassing him and that he would file a criminal complaint...The Dutch advocate only appears where he is the only guest and there is no adversarial opponent or questions...He has been spoiled rotten by the Prayer Man-only group that has hijacked the entire JFK internet...

The notion that the images seen in the Davidson Enhancement and 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell are somehow going to change from Sarah Stanton to Oswald if we just get the original films is insanity...It is a rogue insanity that is guarded by brut bullying, banning, and censorship...I sent this to Morley before the opening of the Task Force and he had the sense to heed it and disclaim the theory before Congress...This influence at the Congressional level does not, however, qualify me for membership at the aforementioned forum...

[Michael T. Griffith]

Prayer Man is not a scam, not by a longshot. 

Prayer Man cannot be Sarah Stanton, because the Large-Framed Figure standing on Buell Wesley Frazier's left is Sarah Stanton. Frazier himself said Stanton was standing on his left. Pauline Sanders also said Sarah Stanton was standing on Frazier's left. The figure on Frazier's right is Prayer Man.

Greg Doudna and Andre Stancak, two very careful researchers, have examined this issue in great detail. I first quote from some of Doudna's research on the subject:

It is astonishing to me that I do not see prior proposals that Large-Framed Figure (LFF) to Frazier's immediate left, in the Darnell film, is Sarah Stanton. The width of LFF's body frame corresponds to Sarah Stanton's obesity. The height of LFF at 5'6" (hair included) agrees with Sarah Stanton's height. And LFF is in exactly the position that Buell Wesley Frazier said Sarah Stanton was, and Pauline Sanders said Sarah Stanton was, to Frazier's left as Frazier explicitly said (not to his right where Prayer Man was)--no, LFF is exactly where Frazier located Sarah Stanton to his immediate left, with whom Frazier exchanged words back and forth as she stood next to him. Large-Framed Figure is exactly a match to Sarah Stanton. . . .

It is usually assumed that the Prayer Man photograph in Wiegman was taken a few seconds before the fatal head shot of JFK of Z312. While that may be correct, it is possible that photograph was taken an unknown number of seconds after the shots were fired, according to a technical analysis of Stancak although Stancak does not draw a post-Z312 Wiegman conclusion directly. Stancak presents an argument that there was frames removal of some sort in the Zapruder film on the basis of comparison with two checkpoints in Wiegman, and discrepancies between Altgens6 and a conventional assumption of match to the time of a frame in Wiegman. . . .

The reason this might matter is, on the one hand, Oswald said in his interrogations that he had gone to the second floor to get a coke with his lunch before the assassination, then (following that) he went out front "to watch the P. Parade" (Hosty notes) or "out with Bill Shelley in front" (Fritz notes). . . .

For according to Sarah Stanton's family, Sarah Stanton met Oswald on "the stairs", where she had "went down" from the second floor, to see the President "on the stairs".

Rosa: "That, uh--she [Sarah] said, 'I went down because they said that, uh, the--that the President was going--they were already coming, but not--not there yet.' So she wanted to prepare herself and be on the stairs--where--where she met Oswald". . . .

It is probably not correct to claim that "no one" saw Oswald out at those front steps. I have just cited two arguably credible claims from TSBD employees who said they did (in Sarah Stanton's case as remembered by her family, interpreting "stairs" as changed in the telling from Sarah Stanton's meaning of the TSBD's front steps).   

Neither of these two women, Carolyn Arnold or Sarah Stanton, were called to testify by the Warren Commission.

If Oswald was "in front" (Fritz notes) and "outside to watch P. Parade" (Hosty notes) after eating his lunch on the first floor, not only might those two women have told of seeing him there, but it might even have been captured on camera. It would be surprising if it were not captured on camera. 

This makes Bart Kamp's website and book Prayer Man: More than a Fuzzy Picture one of the most important issues in any current discussion of the JFK assassination (because if Oswald was Prayer Man, he did not assassinate President Kennedy, and that would be, to put it mildly, a game-changer, an Innocence Project genre outcome for the ages).  (https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/29481-prayer-man-more-than-a-fuzzy-picture/page/17/#findComment-515283

Stancak's research can be found here:

https://thejfktruthmatters.wordpress.com//?s=oswald&search=Go

Here's an excerpt from his analysis:

Prayer Man in the full view shows two important features that shed light on his identity. In Figure 3 the yellow contour along the PrayerMan’s left face highlight his hairline. Prayer Man’s hairline shows a recess on the downward course of the hairline. Figure 3 also shows Lee Oswald’s hairline in a photograph taken during the time when he was in the custody of Dallas Police. The similarity of Prayer Man’s hairline and Lee Oswald’s hairline is uncanny and strongly supports the possibility that Prayer Man was Lee Harvey Oswald.

Another distinguishing feature on Prayer Man’s head was an oblique line running from the left eyebrow toward the hairline recession (Figure 4). The shape of this line-like feature on Prayer Man’s left temple was compared with photographs of Lee Oswald taken while he was in the custody of the Dallas Police, as well as with photos taken prior to President Kennedy’s assassination. This comparison showed that Lee Oswald had prominent forehead veins on both the left and right forehead-temple areas, with a vein pattern similar to the line-like feature on Prayer Man’s left forehead and temple.

I stress that these quotes are only a small portion of Doudna's and Stancak's research on Prayer Man. I encourage interested readers to read their analyses.