JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory

[John Corbett]

You don't know that. That's just what you want to believe. Since I know it would be a waste of time with you, I won't bother to cite all the evidence of illicit pre-autopsy surgery, of two extra bullets being found during the autopsy (one in the sheets wrapped around JFK's head and on in the limo), and of the receipt for a "missile" found during the autopsy (which missile later disappeared and was covered up with the explanation that the federal agents used the word "missile" to refer to fragments--sure, happens all the time).

OMG!!! I didn't even think you were gullible enough to believe that ridiculous story of post-mortem surgery concocted by David Lifton. That is probably the nuttiest conspiracy theory anyone has ever come up with. No one who takes that story seriously should themselves be taken seriously. That includes you. You seem willing to swallow just about any BS story as long as it claims there was a conspiracy.

For those who would like to read some of the evidence of extra bullets and missed shots, please see my article on the subject:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WRwhDQ9HMydf5pICsHwgtkoNKw0YSO8T/view?usp=sharing

BTW, why haven't any of the SBT wound ballistics tests, even some of the markedly rigged ones, been able to duplicate the SBT, i.e., produce a bullet that did the same amount of damage that CE 399 allegedly did and emerged in the same virtually pristine condition as CE 399? What's up with that?

Oh, sorry, I forgot that you reject the science of wound ballistics testing when it comes to the JFK case.

Yeah, never mind that Connally said he was certain he was not hit before Z229. Never mind that his visible reactions that start in Z238--the right shoulder drop, the puffing of cheeks, and the pained expression--were involuntary reactions that would not have taken more than four frames to occur after he was hit.

Never mind JBC flipping his arm upward at Z226 which coincided with JFK starting to raise his arms in reaction to being shot. You dodge this inconvenient fact every time it is brought up because you have no explanation for it.

And are you ever going to explain how you can still believe in the SBT when we know there was no hole through the tie and no nick on the tie knot's left edge?

Whether the bullet did or did not nick the tie upon exiting JFK's throat is not an essential element of the SBT. I believe it did, but the SBT works either way.

[Michael T. Griffith]

It bears repeating that the only way lone-gunman theorists can explain the throat wound's appearance is the shored-wound theory. This has been their explanation for decades now. My experience has been that they are quite surprised to learn that their theory is not only refuted by the location of the shirt slits but that forensic science tells us that shored wounds will not be small and neat.

One of the historic contributions that Doug Horne has made to our knowledge of the JFK case is his confirmation of the fact that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit wound for the back wound.

Another historic development came along with the ARRB materials, which reveal, among other things, that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors positively established through prolonged, extensive probing that the back wound was a shallow wound with no exit point. The pathologists even removed the chest organs and positioned the body "every which way" to facilitate the probing and to enable them to see where the probe was going. The disclosed materials reveal that men around the autopsy table could see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity. As mentioned, James Jenkins told David Lifton the same thing long before the ARRB came along.

[John Corbett]

It bears repeating that the only way lone-gunman theorists can explain the throat wound's appearance is the shored-wound theory.

We get to decide why the throat wound looked the way it did to Dr. Perry. You don't get to limit our choices. The reason the throat wound was a neat, round hole is because FMJ bullets don't expand when passing through soft tissue. The will make a neat round hole both entering and exiting a body.

This has been their explanation for decades now. My experience has been that they are quite surprised to learn that their theory is not only refuted by the location of the shirt slits but that forensic science tells us that shored wounds will not be small and neat.

I have heard that explanation but it was never my belief so I was never surprised. The reason exit wounds are usually larger than entrance wounds is because lead bullets and hollow points will expand while passing through a body. That doesn't happen with FMJ bullets.

One of the historic contributions that Doug Horne has made to our knowledge of the JFK case is his confirmation of the fact that the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit wound for the back wound.

Nobody who recycled David Lifton's theory of post-mortem surgery is somebody who should be taken seriously. q[uote]

Another historic development came along with the ARRB materials, which reveal, among other things, that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors positively established through prolonged, extensive probing that the back wound was a shallow wound with no exit point. The pathologists even removed the chest organs and positioned the body "every which way" to facilitate the probing and to enable them to see where the probe was going. The disclosed materials reveal that men around the autopsy table could see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity. As mentioned, James Jenkins told David Lifton the same thing long before the ARRB came along.
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It is absolutely ridiculous to think a bullet would have only penetrated a few inches into JFK's back and then fallen out. Even lower velocity handgun ammo has far more penetration than that.

[Ted Sager]

That picture is incorrect, you know that right? Entrance back wound was much lower as it grazed the first thoracic vertebrae. This slug went on upward to make the dent by the mirror, you know that, right? How else could the dent have been made??

[John Corbett]

That picture is incorrect, you know that right? Entrance back wound was much lower as it grazed the first thoracic vertebrae. This slug went on upward to make the dent by the mirror, you know that, right? How else could the dent have been made??

The dent and the cracked windshield were made by fragments of the bullet that struck JFK's head. Not hard to figure.

Explain how your storm drain shooter could have fired a shot into JFK's back and exit from the middle of his throat. The geometry doesn't line up.

[Michael T. Griffith]

OMG!!! I didn't even think you were gullible enough to believe that ridiculous story of post-mortem surgery concocted by David Lifton. That is probably the nuttiest conspiracy theory anyone has ever come up with.

And this coming from the guy who insists that the Warren Report is still "the definitive account" of the JFK assassination, a fantasy that was shredded by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1979.

We've already seen in spades that you know so little about the JFK case that you're in no position to be deciding what is "nutty."

No one who takes that story seriously should themselves be taken seriously. That includes you. You seem willing to swallow just about any BS story as long as it claims there was a conspiracy.

Uh-huh. We both know you haven't read any of the hundreds of pages of research that supports the case for pre-autopsy surgery, research done by the former Chief Analyst for Military Records for the ARRB, Doug Horne.

I'm fairly certain you don't know, for example, that we now know that Tom Robinson, one of the autopsy morticians, saw Humes sawing on the skull before the autopsy. Robinson added that the top-of-head damage seen in the autopsy photos "was what the doctors did."
 

Never mind JBC flipping his arm upward at Z226 which coincided with JFK starting to raise his arms in reaction to being shot. You dodge this inconvenient fact every time it is brought up because you have no explanation for it.

You know this is false. You seem to be melting down. I've answered your silly argument at least twice. But, you ignore the contrary facts and counterarguments I've presented and then repeat your argument as if it has not been answered.

Whether the bullet did or did not nick the tie upon exiting JFK's throat is not an essential element of the SBT. I believe it did, but the SBT works either way.

If this forum had a minimum-knowledge requirement for posting, this comment would get you disqualified. The SBT foundationally requires that the supposed magic bullet at least nicked the left edge of the tie knot.

Even the WC acknowledged that the tie knot was positioned directly over the shirt slits. So, if a bullet exited the shirt slits, as claimed by the SBT, it would have had to tear through the tie knot. This is why the FBI produced an evidence photo of the tie knot that gave the false impression that there was a hole in the knot.

If this bullet did not tear through the tie knot, then it would have had to at least nick the knot's left edge, which is what the WC claimed, but (1) the nick was not on the knot's left edge, and (2) the knot was centered squarely in the middle of the shirt's collar band before and during the motorcade, as we know from numerous photos.

I've documented all of these facts in "JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible":

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAgWA0frOLVeWY6ok9nzdrgpRN4Wv1AL/view?usp=sharing

It's interesting: You claim that the WC gave us "the definitive account" of the assassination, but you contradict what the WC said on this issue because you've done so little reading on the JFK case.

[John Corbett]

And this coming from the guy who insists that the Warren Report is still "the definitive account" of the JFK assassination, a fantasy that was shredded by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1979.

We've already seen in spades that you know so little about the JFK case that you're in no position to be deciding what is "nutty."

Uh-huh. We both know you haven't read any of the hundreds of pages of research that supports the case for pre-autopsy surgery, research done by the former Chief Analyst for Military Records for the ARRB, Doug Horne.

I'm fairly certain you don't know, for example, that we now know that Tom Robinson, one of the autopsy morticians, saw Humes sawing on the skull before the autopsy. Robinson added that the top-of-head damage seen in the autopsy photos "was what the doctors did."
 
You know this is false. You seem to be melting down. I've answered your silly argument at least twice. But, you ignore the contrary facts and counterarguments I've presented and then repeat your argument as if it has not been answered.

I remember you dodging it many times. I don't recall you addressing it even once. "I've already answered that" was a favorite dodge of Tony Marsh's on John McAdams' forum. He resorted to it whenever presented with inconvenient facts. He would invariably follow it with "Learn to Google".

If this forum had a minimum-knowledge requirement for posting, this comment would get you disqualified. The SBT foundationally requires that the supposed magic bullet at least nicked the left edge of the tie knot.

Even the WC acknowledged that the tie knot was positioned directly over the shirt slits. So, if a bullet exited the shirt slits, as claimed by the SBT, it would have had to tear through the tie knot. This is why the FBI produced an evidence photo of the tie knot that gave the false impression that there was a hole in the knot.

If this bullet did not tear through the tie knot, then it would have had to at least nick the knot's left edge, which is what the WC claimed, but (1) the nick was not on the knot's left edge, and (2) the knot was centered squarely in the middle of the shirt's collar band before and during the motorcade, as we know from numerous photos.

I've documented all of these facts in "JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible":

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAgWA0frOLVeWY6ok9nzdrgpRN4Wv1AL/view?usp=sharing

It's interesting: You claim that the WC gave us "the definitive account" of the assassination, but you contradict what the WC said on this issue because you've done so little reading on the JFK case.

Dr. Cyril Wecht scoffed at the theory presented by David Lifton. I can't find the exact quote but it essentially said that you could take a team of the best surgeons in the world and they couldn't perform post-mortem surgery that wouldn't be instantly recognizable by a first year medical student.