The Wound In Gov. Connally's Back

[John Corbett]

There are also some who believe that it was the first two shots that were closer together, though not as many who recall it being the last two that were bunched together.

At Saturday night NPIC briefing board preparation, Dino Brugioni said the secret service was particularly interested in the frames near when JFK disappeared and reappeared from behind the sign. No, the film was not altered and I don’t believe NPIC had the original film which was still in Chicago and probably damaged by that time.

The truth is not subject to majority rule. Although there is no definitive proof of when the first shot was taken, I firmly believe the preponderance of evidence is that it was fired in the Z147-148 window which would mean there were about 4 seconds between the first and second shots and about 5 seconds between the second and third shots. What muddies the water is that a single shot can produce multiple sounds and those sounds for the third shot would seem to be right on top of each other. Because the bullet traveled at roughly twice the speed of sound, witnesses near the limo would hear those other sounds before they heard the muzzle blast from the sniper's nest. The impact on JFK's skull, the mini-sonic boom of a bullet passing over their heads, the impact on the windshield frame would all produce sounds that would reach the ears of the nearby witnesses before the muzzle blast. 

[Lance Payette]

The truth is not subject to majority rule. Although there is no definitive proof of when the first shot was taken, I firmly believe the preponderance of evidence is that it was fired in the Z147-148 window which would mean there were about 4 seconds between the first and second shots and about 5 seconds between the second and third shots. What muddies the water is that a single shot can produce multiple sounds and those sounds for the third shot would seem to be right on top of each other. Because the bullet traveled at roughly twice the speed of sound, witnesses near the limo would hear those other sounds before they heard the muzzle blast from the sniper's nest. The impact on JFK's skull, the mini-sonic boom of a bullet passing over their heads, the impact on the windshield frame would all produce sounds that would reach the ears of the nearby witnesses before the muzzle blast.

While the truth is not subject to majority rule, the fact that one LN zealot "firmly believes" the "preponderance of evidence" shows something is not exactly dispositive either.

[John Corbett]

While the truth is not subject to majority rule, the fact that one LN zealot "firmly believes" the "preponderance of evidence" shows something is not exactly dispositive either.

The LN position is not dependent on identifying when the first shot was fired. The shot missed so it's hardly necessary to identify when it missed to reach he ironclad conclusion that LHO fired the shots that killed JFK. It is simply not possible for the state of the evidence to be what it is if somebody else had fired the shots. If i were, somebody would have come up with it by now. The CT position is that we should not believe what he evidence is telling us.

[Dan O'meara]

Recently there was discussion in this forum regarding the shape of the wound in Gov. JBC's back.

Here is a drawing of the wound, by JBC's surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw.



Shaw thought it most likely that JBC was shot from above and behind, by a slug unimpeded by any obstructions. No tumbling. So you had an elliptical or ovoid wound, north-south on JBC's body.

Shaw debrided the wound, thus enlarging the final resulting scar.

In addition, there is a small round hole in the rear of JBC's assassination-day shirt.



I doubt the bullet that struck JBC was tumbling.

The evidence, as seen in JBC's shirt and the doctors sketch, points away from a tumbling bullet.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

The small hole in the back of JBC's shirt and the small hole in the front of his jacket prove, beyond the slightest doubt, that the bullet was not "tumbling" [ ]
For traditional LNer's (not the Tinfoil Nutters who have emerged from the woodwork recently) this poses a very large problem.
JFK and JBC were shot through by the same bullet at z222/223. The bullet did not tumble.
How, then, can this bullet be CE399?
What mental gymnastics need to be employed to account for the metal fragments in JBC's wrist if the bullet didn't tumble.
For now we can ignore the FACT that there isn't the smallest particle of evidence linking CE399 to Parkland Hospital and a mountain of evidence against it.
We can also ignore the FACT that CE399 was entered into evidence as the bullet found in Parkland without anyone identifying it as such.

The evidence proves the bullet fired through both men did not tumble.
Yet there are metal fragments in JBC's wrist.
How do LNers square this circle?

PS: Cole's suggestion, that JBC was shot in the back while lying in Nellie's lap, is possibly the most preposterous thing ever posted on this forum...and that really is saying something.

[Jack Nessan]

Recently there was discussion in this forum regarding the shape of the wound in Gov. JBC's back.

Here is a drawing of the wound, by JBC's surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw.



Shaw thought it most likely that JBC was shot from above and behind, by a slug unimpeded by any obstructions. No tumbling. So you had an elliptical or ovoid wound, north-south on JBC's body.

Shaw debrided the wound, thus enlarging the final resulting scar.

In addition, there is a small round hole in the rear of JBC's assassination-day shirt.



I doubt the bullet that struck JBC was tumbling.

The evidence, as seen in JBC's shirt and the doctors sketch, points away from a tumbling bullet.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

The hole in the shirt was obviously cut out or trimmed for some reason. It is square and trimmed not round or elongated and frayed. A picture of the hole does nothing as far as understanding whether the bullet was tumbling or not. The hole in the shirt is not representative of anything unless the reason for making the cuts to the hole is known and a description of the hole prior to the alteration.

[Benjamin Cole]

Huh?

PS: Cole's suggestion, that JBC was shot in the back while lying in Nellie's lap, is possibly the most preposterous thing ever posted on this forum...and that really is saying something.

I never suggested this.

[Benjamin Cole]

The small round hole in the rear of JBC's assassination-day hole was enlarged twice to examine fibers for trace elements.

Even so, it is a small round hole, just large enough to accommodate a non-tumbling shot from a WC 6.5 slug.