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Online Fred Litwin

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CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
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CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton


Online Michael T. Griffith

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #1 on: Today at 10:57:48 AM »
WC defenders do not want to acknowledge that someone planted a fake "Oswald" wallet, complete with a fake Hidell ID card, at the Tippit murder scene. They reject this scenario even though former FBI Special Agent Robert Barrett insisted that an Oswald wallet with both Oswald ID and fake Hidell ID was found at the Tippit scene, and even though Barrett clearly recalled that he was asked if he knew who Oswald or Hidell was by the policeman who was examining the wallet. Exactly how would Barrett be "mistaken" about these things?

In addition, former FBI Special Agent James Hosty confirmed that Barrett told him about the finding of an Oswald wallet at the Tippit scene. Let me guess: Hosty was "mistaken" too!

Furthermore, there is news footage of policemen examining a wallet right next to Tippit's patrol car.

Dale Myers says that although the wallet in the news footage resembles Oswald's arrest wallet in a number of features, "photographs show that the Oswald arrest wallet is not the same billfold" that's seen in the news footage. Umm, no, photos show no such thing.

Myers argues that the metal band on the arrest wallet's leather flap is not quite the same as the band on the news film wallet's flap, and that the arrest wallet's leather flap is shaped slightly differently than the leather flap of the wallet in the news film. On their face, these are mighty thin reeds on which to base an argument.

The photos in question by no means clearly establish either of these claims. It is hard to make out the exact length and shape of the metal band on the flap of the news film wallet. Allowing for a modest amount of sun reflection and the somewhat grainy nature of the news film, the news footage wallet's metal band might very well be identical to the arrest wallet's metal band.

As for the argument about the length of the bands, Myers fails to consider the fact that in the photo of the arrest wallet the flap is lying down flat and is apparently snapped shut, whereas in the news film the wallet's flap is unsnapped and partially up. Also, the top left edge of the news film wallet's flap is somewhat obscured by a plastic photo sleeve beneath it, and it is hard to determine the exact shape of the other edge of the flap because of the grainy nature of the news film, because of the camera angle, and because the flap is up and not lying flat. The two flaps look to me like they could very well be identical. For that matter, the wallets look identical in size and in all of their essential features. Just a whopping coincidence, I'm sure.

The fact remains that former Special Agent Barrett insisted an Oswald wallet with both Oswald ID and fake Hidell ID was found at the Tippit scene, and that Barrett clearly recalled that he was asked if he knew who Oswald or Hidell was by the policeman who was examining the wallet.

The fact also remains that Special Agent Hosty confirmed that Barrett told him about the finding of an Oswald wallet at the Tippit scene.

The fact further remains that there is news film footage of policemen examining a wallet right next to Tippit's patrol car. Are we supposed to believe that it's just a remarkable coincidence that a wallet was found next to Tippit's car?

The Dallas police said they found Oswald's "real" wallet on his person while they were driving him to the police station. Huh? Really? How would that have worked? Think about how weird and awkward it would have been for a policeman to be reaching his hands under Oswald's butt to feel if he had anything in his rear pockets or to be sticking his hands in Oswald's front pockets. Surely the police searched Oswald when they arrested him at the theater and most certainly would have found the wallet on his person if he'd had it with him.

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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #2 on: Today at 12:48:19 PM »
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Yes, I agree with you that the LHO-Hidell wallet seen in the grainy black-and-white Tippit murder newsreel sure looks like LHO's wallet, and Myers leans on evidence to say that it is, in fact, just another wallet. 

LNT'ers also strain the evidence to their inclinations.

What are the odds that a wallet so similar to the LHO-Hidell wallet was found, and closely reviewed, at the site of the Tippit murder? It was not Tippit's wallet, that has been established. So whose wallet was it? No one has ever said another person's wallet was found at the scene.

You are correct that the FBI guys stated that the LHO-Hidell wallet had been found at the Tippit murder scene.

One possibility: The DPD removed LHO's wallet from his back pocket when they arrested him. They then took the wallet to the scene of the Tippit murder, either to help in the Tippit investigation, or to plant it, not as part of the JFKA plot, but as they wanted to make sure a cop-killer went to the chair.

The LHO-Hidell wallet at the Tippit murder scene sure is an odd tale. I would bet 10-to-1 the wallet in the newsreel is in fact LHO's wallet. How it got there, I do not know.



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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #3 on: Today at 03:42:45 PM »
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Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Reply #4 on: Today at 06:50:31 PM »
Westbrook testified that he returned directly to the police station after Oswald was arrested in the theater (he didn’t arrive in his own car). So Barret’s account of Westbrook flipping through the wallet and asking him if he knew Hidell or Oswald couldn’t have happened at 10th and Patton.

Mr. BALL. Now, what did you do after that [arrest at theater]?
Mr. WESTBROOK. I went back to the city hall and resumed my desk.
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