Hollow Points vs. FMJ Bullets

[Milton Kaiser]

Hasn't anyone considered That a Full metal jacket (the only projectile for any military rifle) makes ONLY thru and thru wounds ? It is Specifically made NOT to fragment. But the Only thing that can make a mans head vaporize is a Hollow Point projectile. The Kind Texas Ranchers would load into their deer rifle, to turn a cayote into nothing but fur? Does anybody understand this point? TWO entirely different wound patterns, TWO entirely different bullets, TWO Shooters.
LHO, for all we know didn't have a clue. Yes there is other so called evidence RE: LHO - but Those are other topics. The most damning is the 'backyard photos'. But, I think there is an interpretation to be discussed. It Strikes me Odd that everything in the photo (Proven), belongs to Michael Paine (Clothes, shoes, holster, et. al.) ? Again another day, sorry I brought it up. But, food for thought.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Hasn't anyone considered That a Full metal jacket (the only projectile for any military rifle) makes ONLY thru and thru wounds ? It is Specifically made NOT to fragment. But the Only thing that can make a mans head vaporize is a Hollow Point projectile. The Kind Texas Ranchers would load into their deer rifle, to turn a cayote into nothing but fur? Does anybody understand this point? TWO entirely different wound patterns, TWO entirely different bullets, TWO Shooters.

You are absolutely correct, but no lone-gunman theorist here will admit it, no matter how much evidence you present that proves it. As far as I can tell, they can't even bring themselves to read the evidence. I have discussed much of this evidence in the following two threads:

Undeniable Proof of Fraud: The Impossible JFK Autopsy Brain Photos
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4609.0.html

LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3641.0.html

[John Corbett]

You are absolutely correct, but no lone-gunman theorist here will admit it, no matter how much evidence you present that proves it. As far as I can tell, they can't even bring themselves to read the evidence. I have discussed much of this evidence in the following two threads:

Undeniable Proof of Fraud: The Impossible JFK Autopsy Brain Photos
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4609.0.html

LNers Can't Explain the Two Back-of-Head Bullet Fragments
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3641.0.html

LNs are smart enough to know that a FMJ bullet fired directly into a skull is going to deform much more than one that passed through the soft tissue of two men's bodies and which tumbled going through the second one before striking a rib. The bullet would have been traveling much slower by the time it struck JBC's wrist which is why it only was able to make a shallow entry into JBC thigh.

The CTs seem to be arguing out of both sides of their mouths. They tell us CE399 should have been more deformed than it was while telling us the bullet which struck JFK's skull shouldn't have deformed as much as it did. Is there a Goldilocks amount of deformity for a FMJ Carcano bullet? One that is just right?

[Mark Ulrik]

Wound Ballistics of 6.5-mm Mannlicher-Carcano Ammunition

[Benjamin Cole]

The AI version:

Generally, a Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), copper-jacketed bullet from Western Cartridge does not fragment when striking a human skull. Instead, it is designed to remain structurally intact and punch cleanly through the dense bone. In forensic ballistics, the behavior of these rounds on impact typically breaks down as follows:

Minimal Deformation: FMJ rounds feature a lead core entirely encased in a harder copper or copper-alloy jacket. This design prevents the bullet from expanding or breaking apart, allowing it to easily pierce both the entrance and exit plates of the skull.

Bone Comminution: While the bullet itself usually remains one piece, the extreme transfer of energy shatters the human skull bone upon entry. This causes the skull to break into sharp, irregular bone fragments (comminuted fractures), which can travel as secondary projectiles into the brain cavity.

Exceptions for Fragmentation: Fragmentation is rare but can occur if the bullet is fired at extreme velocities (e.g., high-powered rifle rounds) or if the bullet is destabilized and tumbling (yawing) before impact, which stresses the copper jacket and causes it to break apart.

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The M-C carbine (aka short rifle) and Western Cartridge ammo used by LHO or other assassin was on the cusp of being a high-powered round, ~2000 fps. i gather such a slug would not be expected to fragment.

Evidently, one relatively undamaged WC slug was presented to the WC as evidence, although it was not recovered from Gov. JBC's body, but rather (possibly) a hallway inside Parkland. The chain of evidence on the CE-399 is dubious.

Other fragments from slugs were found in the limo.

A curiosity: A slug or fragment struck a curb near James Tague, with enough force to splinter concrete or other matter and cause a cut in Tague's face. But that is a puzzler. Could a fragment do that? Tague was a quite a distance from the limo. Seems iffy.

I have reasonable doubts about the LNT-SBT. Seems squishy.

[Michael T. Griffith]

You are absolutely correct, but no lone-gunman theorist here will admit it, no matter how much evidence you present that proves it. As far as I can tell, they can't even bring themselves to read the evidence.

The second sentence was an overstatement on my part. Fred Litwin and Gerry Down are willing to read any and all pro-conspiracy research. Mitch Todd is willing to read some pro-conspiracy research--in fact, he has twice caught me making substantial errors. Gerry Down is the most credible lone-gunman theorist I've encountered, followed at something of a distance by Fred Litwin. Fred has presented a number of valid criticisms of the Jim Garrison investigation and the defenses of Garrison written by DiEugenio, Davy, and Mellen.

[Lance Payette]

The second sentence was an overstatement on my part. Fred Litwin and Gerry Down are willing to read any and all pro-conspiracy research. Mitch Todd is willing to read some pro-conspiracy research--in fact, he has twice caught me making substantial errors. Gerry Down is the most credible lone-gunman theorist I've encountered, followed at something of a distance by Fred Litwin. Fred has presented a number of valid criticisms of the Jim Garrison investigation and the defenses of Garrison written by DiEugenio, Davy, and Mellen.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Anyone who has not caught MTG making substantial errors needs to make an appointment with Dr. William Niederhut, Harvard-trained psychiatrist, for in-depth counseling.