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[Jarrett Smith]

While the WC allowed for the possibility of only two shots, it seems pretty far fetched to me. JBC said he heard a shot before the one that hit him in the back. The clear consensus of witnesses is there 3 shots. Most compelling, three spent shell casings in the snipers nest. That dog won't hunt.

Norman was correct there were 3 shots from the TSBD, but also one from the GK. For whatever reason many did not hear the first, but Connally did.

BREHM said when the President's automobile was very close to him and he could see the President's face very well, the President was seated but was leaning forward when he stiffened perceptibly at the same instant what appeared to be a rifle shot sounded. According to BREHM, the President seemed to stiffen and come to a pause when another shot sounded, and the President appeared to be badly hit in the head. BREHM said when the President was hit by the second shot, he could notice the President's hair fly up, and then roll over to his side, as Mrs. KENNEDY was apparently pulling him in that direction. BREHM said that a third shot followed and that all three shots were relatively close together. BREHM stated that he was in military service and he has had experience with bolt-action rifles, and he expressed the opinion that the three shots were fired just about as quickly as an individual can maneuver a bolt-action rifle, take aim, and fire three shots.

Brehm missed hearing the first shot that missed, but heard three shots with the first being Z-223. See how frustrating this case is.

[John Corbett]

Norman was correct there were 3 shots from the TSBD, but also one from the GK. For whatever reason many did not hear the first, but Connally did.

Brehm missed hearing the first shot that missed, but heard three shots with the first being Z-223. See how frustrating this case is.

There is zero forensic, medical, or eyewitness evidence of a gunman on the GK. Nothing but a bunch of people who thought the shots sounded like they came from that direction. Another bunch of people said the shots sounded like they came from the direction of the TSBD. There is forensic evidence and eyewitnesses who corroborate the latter group. There is zero corroboration to support the former.

[Jarrett Smith]

There is zero forensic, medical, or eyewitness evidence of a gunman on the GK. Nothing but a bunch of people who thought the shots sounded like they came from that direction. Another bunch of people said the shots sounded like they came from the direction of the TSBD. There is forensic evidence and eyewitnesses who corroborate the latter group. There is zero corroboration to support the former.

John, nobody can place Oswald in the window at 12:30 but I believe he was there and fired 3 shots. The assassination happened so fast any shooter could have disappeared quickly standing behind the fence. Here's what we know:

1. Lee Bowers saw men standing behind the fence, Bowers described the shots as bang.....bang bang
2. S.M. Holland heard the shot and found fresh footprints and cigarette butts.
3. Joe Marshall Smith encountered a man flashing SS credentials, there were no agents assigned to the GK
4. Clint Hill said the head shot sounded different than the Z-223 shot, saw wound to back of head
5. Jiggle analyses show the two largest episodes during the Z-313 and Z-327 time frame

[Lance Payette]

Norman was correct there were 3 shots from the TSBD, but also one from the GK. For whatever reason many did not hear the first, but Connally did.

Brehm missed hearing the first shot that missed, but heard three shots with the first being Z-223. See how frustrating this case is.

To reiterate:

1. Norman testified the first shot was when JFK got past the window, and JFK "slumped or something." So the shot that missed caused JFK to "slump or something?" Does this not sound more like the supposed second shot?

2. Williams testified he "really didn't pay any attention" to the first shot (from right above his head?) but the second shot "sounded like it was right in the building" (meaning the first didn't?).

3. Jarman testified he thought the first shot was a backfire or a policeman saluting JFK and "didn't think too much about it" (even though it was actually a high-powered rifle being fired from inside the building right above his head?).

Consistent with the two-shot scenario, this sounds to me like the folks directly below Oswald may have been descrbing a sound that many earwitnesses seem to have heard that was in fact not Oswald firing an early missed shot.

[Tommy Shanks]

There is zero forensic, medical, or eyewitness evidence of a gunman on the GK. Nothing but a bunch of people who thought the shots sounded like they came from that direction. Another bunch of people said the shots sounded like they came from the direction of the TSBD. There is forensic evidence and eyewitnesses who corroborate the latter group. There is zero corroboration to support the former.

John, you are once again absolutely correct. Cute that people here are still using Lee Bowers to support the notion of a shot from the front..

[Lance Payette]

It's remarkable how candid the WC was about the possibility of only two shots:

"The consensus among the witnesses at the scene was that three shots were fired. However, some heard only two shots, while others testified that they heard four and perhaps as many as five or six shots. ... The physical and other evidence examined by the Commission compels the conclusion that at least two shots were fired. ... It is possible that the assassin carried an empty shell in the rifle and fired only two shots, with the witnesses hearing multiple noises made by the same shot. ... The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired."

Of course, as previously stated this was not the WC going out on any limb because, if anything, the two-shot scenario makes the LN narrative even less problematical.

[Jarrett Smith]

It's remarkable how candid the WC was about the possibility of only two shots:

"The consensus among the witnesses at the scene was that three shots were fired. However, some heard only two shots, while others testified that they heard four and perhaps as many as five or six shots. ... The physical and other evidence examined by the Commission compels the conclusion that at least two shots were fired. ... It is possible that the assassin carried an empty shell in the rifle and fired only two shots, with the witnesses hearing multiple noises made by the same shot. ... The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired."

Of course, as previously stated this was not the WC going out on any limb because, if anything, the two-shot scenario makes the LN narrative even less problematical.

Here is a fine example two witnesses heard the frontal shot and were convinced to change their story.