Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[Andrew Mason]

His head is turn that far to the right. His torso is not and that is what matters. There is no way a bullet exiting JFK's throat at Z193 is going to go to the left of JBC's torso. It is impossible.

I would be interested in knowing why you think you can determine that without working it out or using an accurate model.  We can see that JBC’s shoulders are turned well past the perpendicular to Zapruder because we see the left side of his collar.

[Andrew Mason]

The reason JBC is turned so far to his right in Z-193 is not to look at Mary Woodward and her three clapping-and-cheering journalism colleagues (as JFK is doing), but because he recognized Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot 3.77 seconds earlier, and, after turning his head quickly to his left (starting in Z-150) to see if Nellie was okay, started turning back to his right in Z-165 to see if JFK was okay.

Ah,yes. The old “I can read minds from film” technique!

[John Corbett]

I would be interested in knowing why you think you can determine that without working it out or using an accurate model.  We can see that JBC’s shoulders are turned well past the perpendicular to Zapruder because we see the left side of his collar.

I suppose you think your chicken scratch drawing is "an accurate model". It's an absurdity. JBC's shoulders are not "turned well past the perpendicular to Zapruder". They are roughly square to Zapruder.  We can see this by the fact his tie is almost centered against his white shirt. If anything, there is a little more white shirt to the viewer's left of the tie which means he has not quite squared up to Zapruder. There is no way his shoulders are turned anywhere near as much as your drawing shows. If you think they are, it's only because you desperately want to believe that, not because there is any reason to do so.

[Andrew Mason]

I suppose you think your chicken scratch drawing is "an accurate model". It's an absurdity. JBC's shoulders are not "turned well past the perpendicular to Zapruder". They are roughly square to Zapruder.  We can see this by the fact his tie is almost centered against his white shirt. If anything, there is a little more white shirt to the viewer's left of the tie which means he has not quite squared up to Zapruder. There is no way his shoulders are turned anywhere near as much as your drawing shows. If you think they are, it's only because you desperately want to believe that, not because there is any reason to do so.

That’s probably why you also think that JFK’s midline is right of JBC’s right armpit.

[John Corbett]

That’s probably why you also think that JFK’s midline is right of JBC’s right armpit.

You're insane.

I probably am too for ever thinking I could talk sense into you.

[Andrew Mason]

You're insane.

It sounds like you don’t know how to respond. I understand.  It is difficult to put JBC’s right armpit at least 13 inches left of JFK’s right side.

As a suggestion: one doesn’t persuade anyone by calling one’s adversary insane, stupid, idiotic, zany, or bat-sh-t crazy. It’s called the ad hominem approach to advocacy and not a single rhetorician recommends it.

[John Corbett]

It sounds like you don’t know how to respond. I understand.  It is difficult to put JBC’s right armpit at least 13 inches left of JFK’s right side.

As a suggestion: one doesn’t persuade anyone by calling one’s adversary insane, stupid, idiotic, zany, or bat-sh-t crazy. It’s called the ad hominem approach to advocacy and not a single rhetorician recommends it.

I've given up trying to persuade you. All I can do is point out your silliness.